Majority of Americans Want to Scrap First Amendment, Polling Finds

[LifeisTiresome]

Majority of Americans Want to Scrap First Amendment, Polling Finds - Campaign for Free Speech | Official Website

New Campaign For Free Speech polling results demonstrate just how vulnerable free speech protections are in the United States. CFS polling results show: 51% of Americans think the First Amendment is outdated and should be rewritten. The First Amendment protects your right to free speech, free...

www.campaignforfreespeech.org

New Campaign For Free Speech polling results demonstrate just how vulnerable free speech protections are in the United States.

CFS polling results show:

51% of Americans think the First Amendment is outdated and should be rewritten. The First Amendment protects your right to free speech, free assembly, and freedom of religion, among other things.

48% believe “hate speech” should be illegal. (“Hate speech” is not defined—we left it up to the individual participant.) Of those, about half think the punishment for “hate speech” should include possible jail time, while the rest think it should just be a ticket and a fine.

80% don’t actually know what the First Amendment really protects. Those polled believed this statement is true: “The First Amendment allows anyone to say their opinion no matter what, and they are protected by law from any consequences of saying those thoughts or opinions.”

It’s actually not true. The First Amendment prevents the government from punishing you for your speech (with exceptions such as yelling “fire” in a crowded area to induce panic).

Another site:

Poll: Majority of Americans Want First Amendment Rewritten

A majority of Americans believe the First Amendment are willing to crack down on free speech, as well as the press, according to a new poll.

freebeacon.com

A majority of Americans believe the First Amendment should be rewritten and are willing to crack down on free speech, as well as the press, according to a new poll.

More than 60 percent of Americans agree on restricting speech in some way, while a slim majority, 51 percent, want to see the First Amendment rewritten to "reflect the cultural norms of today." The Campaign for Free Speech, which conducted the survey, said the results "indicate free speech is under more threat than previously believed."

"The findings are frankly extraordinary," executive director Bob Lystad told the Washington Free Beacon. "Our free speech rights and our free press rights have evolved well over 200 years, and people now seem to be rethinking them."

Of the 1,004 respondents, young people were the most likely to support curbing free expression and punishing those who engage in "hate speech." Nearly 60 percent of Millennials—respondents between the ages of 21 and 38—agreed that the Constitution "goes too far in allowing hate speech in modern America" and should be rewritten, compared to 48 percent of Gen Xers and 47 percent of Baby Boomers. A majority of Millennials also supported laws that would make "hate speech" a crime—of those supporters, 54 percent said violators should face jail time.

Freebeacon is a conservative site but not sure about the site from first link.


Daily mail talks about this too.

Americans want First Amendment 'to reflect cultural norms of today'

The study, conducted by the Campaign for Free Speech, found that some 51 percent of Americans believe the amendment - adopted in 1791 - 'should be updated to reflect the cultural norms of today.'

www.dailymail.co.uk

Either way, if true, what do you guys think?

 

[Bacle]

If the First Amendmemt is killed, then the American Republic isn't worth preserving any longer.

It is the bedrock of our nation, and without it, there is no point to trying to keep the rest of the Constitution.

 

[Francis Urquhart]

Going back to the original article, it is immediately obvious that the poll was commissioned by the advocacy group in question. That makes it immediately suspect. Polls like this are very easy to manipulate in order to support a pre-determined conclusion. In addition, they tend to be extremely simplistic in their treatment of issues, often conflating two opposed viewpoints into a single category.

I'd want to see a lot more reliable and transparent data before commenting further on this,

 

[LifeisTiresome]

Going back to the original article, it is immediately obvious that the poll was commissioned by the advocacy group in question. That makes it immediately suspect. Polls like this are very easy to manipulate in order to support a pre-determined conclusion. In addition, they tend to be extremely simplistic in their treatment of issues, often conflating two opposed viewpoints into a single category.

I'd want to see a lot more reliable and transparent data before commenting further on this,

Hence, why I said if true.

 

[ShieldWife]

I’m not sure how correct this poll is, but I find it to be plausible. Support for free speech is in decline in the USA and if this poll is wrong now, it won’t be too long before it’s right.

The reason is two fold. The USA is importing massive numbers of third world immigrants who come from nations and cultures with no concept of free speech and they are easy to sway with left wing rhetoric about racism and the necessity for “hate speech” laws. The other problem is that universities are insanely far to the left and are indoctrinating young Americans into SJ extremism which completely rejects not only freedom of speech but other rights which form the foundation for the American republic.

It’s a horrifying possibility that in the not too distant future the 1st Amendment might be effectively destroyed. In fact, if Hillary Clinton rather than Donald Trump had appointed the last two Supreme Court justices, we might have hate speech laws in the works as we speak.

This danger can’t be countered by just making arguments for free speech, good though they may be. Freedom of speech will effectively disappear if we can’t get control of our borders and our higher education system.

 

[Francis Urquhart]

I’m not sure how correct this poll is, but I find it to be plausible. Support for free speech is in decline in the USA and if this poll is wrong now, it won’t be too long before it’s right. The reason is two fold. The USA is importing massive numbers of third world immigrants who come from nations and cultures with no concept of free speech and they are easy to sway with left wing rhetoric about racism and the necessity for “hate speech” laws. The other problem is that universities are insanely far to the left and are indoctrinating young Americans into SJ extremism which completely rejects not only freedom of speech but other rights which form the foundation for the American republic.

It’s a horrifying possibility that in the not too distant future the 1st Amendment might be effectively destroyed. In fact, if Hillary Clinton rather than Donald Trump had appointed the last two Supreme Court justices, we might have hate speech laws in the works as we speak. This danger can’t be countered by just making arguments for free speech, good though they may be. Freedom of speech will effectively disappear if we can’t get control of our borders and our higher education system.

No argument with any of those comments but the problem is we still don't know what this poll is actually saying. For example, suppose the poll consisted of three questions

1. Do you believe that the First Amendment should be re-written to reduce protection for free speech
2. Do you believe that the First Amendment should be re-written to increase protection for free speech
3. Do you believe that the First Amendment should not be re-written.

Now keeping the answer to (3) at 49 percent and consolidating the answers to (1) and (2) we get 51 percent in favor of re-writing the First Amendment even though the answers are diametrically opposed. For all we know, 50 percent voted for (2) and 1 percent voted for (1). Or vice versa

 

[Deleted member]

They admit that the definition of hate speech was left up to the individual participant. They also note half of those supporting criminalizing hate speech want it to be a fine and half want a misdemeanor or felony. But without hate speech being defined... A lot of people may have responded thinking hate speech is a death threat on racial grounds only, for instance.

 

[DarthOne]

If anything, we need to make free speech even more free. Hate speech as a concept has proven to be to easy to exploit, possibly intentionally so.

 

[Edgeplay_cgo]

This is a demonstration of why we don't have a democracy, don't want a democracy, and must fight with every measure available, foul or fair, to prevent a democracy, even if it results in a dictatorship.

 

[Scottty]

So let's look at what that bit of the American constitution actually says...

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Scrap the FA? Okay cool - then it's time for:

The Left of course assume that they will be the ones who get to impose their ideology on everyone else. But once the peace treaty of religious freedom gets openly torn up...

 

[Captain X]

Things like this make me fear for the future of my country.

 

[Cherico]

One quick look at the UK and Europe is all that I need to convince me that the first amendment is awesome and that these control freak assholes need to fuck off.

The only reason their for this shit is because their imagining themselves as our masters, once its gone most of them will be in the same gulags the rest of us will be in.

 

[The Original Sixth]

Majority of Americans Want to Scrap First Amendment, Polling Finds - Campaign for Free Speech | Official Website

New Campaign For Free Speech polling results demonstrate just how vulnerable free speech protections are in the United States. CFS polling results show: 51% of Americans think the First Amendment is outdated and should be rewritten. The First Amendment protects your right to free speech, free...

www.campaignforfreespeech.org

Another site:

Poll: Majority of Americans Want First Amendment Rewritten

A majority of Americans believe the First Amendment are willing to crack down on free speech, as well as the press, according to a new poll.

freebeacon.com

Freebeacon is a conservative site but not sure about the site from first link.


Daily mail talks about this too.

Americans want First Amendment 'to reflect cultural norms of today'

The study, conducted by the Campaign for Free Speech, found that some 51 percent of Americans believe the amendment - adopted in 1791 - 'should be updated to reflect the cultural norms of today.'

www.dailymail.co.uk

Either way, if true, what do you guys think?

I call bullshit.

Someone's just trying to poke the bear.

 

[LifeisTiresome]

The other problem is that universities are insanely far to the left and are indoctrinating young Americans into SJ extremism which completely rejects not only freedom of speech but other rights which form the foundation for the American republic.

It’s a horrifying possibility that in the not too distant future the 1st Amendment might be effectively destroyed. In fact, if Hillary Clinton rather than Donald Trump had appointed the last two Supreme Court justices, we might have hate speech laws in the works as we speak.

This danger can’t be countered by just making arguments for free speech, good though they may be. Freedom of speech will effectively disappear if we can’t get control of our borders and our higher education system.

Absolutely. Conservative idiots focused on helping businesses who have now all turned on them as well as focusing on getting the support of religious groups who were already declining in numbers and left entertainment and school/universities to leftists who had free reign to take over and do as they pleased even though these places are were young people go to.

Fucking idiots.

Thats why we have all the shit we are currently dealing with right now.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Absolutely. Conservative idiots focused on helping businesses who have now all turned on them as well as focusing on getting the support of religious groups who were already declining in numbers and left entertainment and school/universities to leftists who had free reign to take over and do as they pleased even though these places are were young people go to.

Fucking idiots.

Thats why we have all the shit we are currently dealing with right now.

Religious groups declining in numbers? Hollywood sorta makes it out that you guys have large religious fundie cults roaving the land

As for school and entertainment, yeah you guys have mostly lost on that front

Only hope is for people to learn only STEM stuff from the internet and realise school is an overpriced daycare center with teachers who are so and so in teaching abikity

As for entertainment, well luckily for now, guys like that Larry Correia guy aren’t gonna find their works banned from publishing and selling. So people still have alternatives or can just choose to consume the old stuff

HUGE backload of old stuff, surprising how detailed art for comicbooks was before the 90s in my opinion....even if the lighting or coloring is noy bright enough for me

 

[LifeisTiresome]

Religious groups declining in numbers? Hollywood sorta makes it out that you guys have large religious fundie cults roaving the land

Religions numbers in the west for Christians are dropping. Though islam is rising. Never religious myself so its a whatever.

As for school and entertainment, yeah you guys have mostly lost on that front

Only hope is for people to learn only STEM stuff from the internet and realise school is an overpriced daycare center with teachers who are so and so in teaching abikity

As for entertainment, well luckily for now, guys like that Larry Correia guy aren’t gonna find their works banned from publishing and selling. So people still have alternatives or can just choose to consume the old stuff

HUGE backload of old stuff, surprising how detailed art for comicbooks was before the 90s in my opinion....even if the lighting or coloring is noy bright enough for me

Indeed. We still have the old stuff and for now anime, manga and Korean Manhwa and Chinese Manhua

@Aaron Fox

You do know, I'm insulting republicans and conservatives here right?

About how they are so pro-business and rich people even though said rich people have spat in their faces.

edit: Like I don't care if you laugh at my post or give me likes but that if you think I'm saying something stupid. Say so. So we can discuss.

 

[Aaron Fox]

Here is the thing, technology has changed the game no matter what we say on the matter. We're now living in a world where Deepfakes that can only be confirmed as such after experts and the technology to create them go over them over a period of time, memetic weapons are a thing... and the fact that biotech is heading towards the bedrock in terms of expertise and basically being done out of a basement.

Technological context shifts, the rest of the contexts follows. That's the natural order of things. Since our technological context has shifted so hard that our assumptions on rights and freedoms are now totally in question... we're going to have to have a nice long look at what our assumptions are.

Brexit and the 2016 US presidential elections (full scale revealed in NATO FM-9) showed that you can simply manipulate people with cyber and memetic attacks or otherwise literally making the truth not objective but subjective.

I'm sad to say that thing is going to be interesting -in the Chinese sense- from here on in.

@Aaron Fox

You do know, I'm insulting republicans and conservatives here right?

About how they are so pro-business and rich people even though said rich people have spat in their faces.

Um, I'm here and I've just replied to this thread... and what you said dawned on me on second reading.

 

[LifeisTiresome]

Here is the thing, technology has changed the game no matter what we say on the matter. We're now living in a world where Deepfakes that can only be confirmed as such after experts and the technology to create them go over them over a period of time, memetic weapons are a thing... and the fact that biotech is heading towards the bedrock in terms of expertise and basically being done out of a basement.

Technological context shifts, the rest of the contexts follows. That's the natural order of things. Since our technological context has shifted so hard that our assumptions on rights and freedoms are now totally in question... we're going to have to have a nice long look at what our assumptions are.

Brexit and the 2016 US presidential elections (full scale revealed in NATO FM-9) showed that you can simply manipulate people with cyber and memetic attacks or otherwise literally making the truth not objective but subjective.

I'm sad to say that thing is going to be interesting -in the Chinese sense- from here on in.

I can fully agree with you on this. Indeed, things are gonna get interesting in the Chinese sense.

 

[Aaron Fox]

I can fully agree with you on this. Indeed, things are gonna get interesting in the Chinese sense.

Why do you think I keep screaming into the heavens complaining to the universe to stop using my future history setting as a blueprint?

The overall situation is going to be simply: everything is going to be more authoritarian simply because of the technological context we're in. Privacy is dead either way, freedom of speech and information is going to be regulated by virtue of having shit like memetic hazards/weapons going around, let's just say the future will scare us shitless because people forget that people tend to go up and down a spectrum of bastard.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Somehow I’m thinking of an insane European Caliphate constantly pissing itself over frog memes and Deus Vult dudes worshipping 2B’s ass

And the Dark Web being expanded into something said European Caliphate keeps banging its head over and secretly buying art of 2D unveiled women