Leftist Child Grooming

[KilroywasNOTHere]

Here's the thing, Lobotomy actually seemed to pacify the worst cases of mental illness on which it was used and made them easier to handle (remember, this was practiced when we still has asylums). Add on that at the time the "experts" on the Human Brain were all saying it was harmless and the appropriate treatment and that this was long before the American Expert class had destroyed it's credibility with half the country's population. Finally, because this was done to people who were mainly in asylums there was a certain "out of sight out of mind" aspect to it for the common person and for people working IN the asylum it made their jobs easier. Thus it was easy to go along with it despite the horror.

Likewise for many families with so-called "trans" kids they already have other mental health issues that make them harder to deal with. The "experts" are telling the parents not only that this will help them but that if they do not their child WILL commit suicide (and no parent wants to see their child kill themself). This is often enough, but then for left wing parents you add in the social prestige they get by having trans children (and this doesn't stop even when they're minors, accepting your adult male son in his 30s coming out as trans still gives you prestige on the left). Also, again, note that much of the trans stuff began BEFORE Covid and the subsequent immolation of expert trust in the US... I suspect part of the rising backlash against it is due to that loss of trust too because people are reevaluating many things the experts told them and are finding them lacking in evidence.

See and stuff like the above is what makes me question the credibility of Asylums and the field of mental health. Now obviously mental health IS a thing and desperately needs to be taken seriously but so much of it seems to revolve around pushing pills and messing with parts of the body we've only scratched the surface of the inner workings of. The brain and hormones are so deeply intigrated into the body you can't mess with them without creating a cascade of other unintended effects. Not only that (And I will admit that this is antidotal on my part) but it seems like most mental health issues are brought about by various stress triggers and rather than deal with the root cause of those stress triggers, we just try to alleviate the symptoms which not only does not fix the initial problem it creates a bunch of unintended side effects that compound with the root problem, making things worse.

 

[LordsFire]

See and stuff like the above is what makes me question the credibility of Asylums and the field of mental health. Now obviously mental health IS a thing and desperately needs to be taken seriously but so much of it seems to revolve around pushing pills and messing with parts of the body we've only scratched the surface of the inner workings of. The brain and hormones are so deeply intigrated into the body you can't mess with them without creating a cascade of other unintended effects. Not only that (And I will admit that this is antidotal on my part) but it seems like most mental health issues are brought about by various stress triggers and rather than deal with the root cause of those stress triggers, we just try to alleviate the symptoms which not only does not fix the initial problem it creates a bunch of unintended side effects that compound with the root problem, making things worse.

There will always be a group of people in society who are quietly pushed into the backgrounds, because those around them don't want to deal with the problems they cause.

Such people are always vulnerable to victimization. Asylums have simply been one place they have (sometimes) been abused in modern history. The solution to the issue is not trying to do away with asylums, but active attention to hold such places accountable.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

There will always be a group of people in society who are quietly pushed into the backgrounds, because those around them don't want to deal with the problems they cause.

Such people are always vulnerable to victimization. Asylums have simply been one place they have (sometimes) been abused in modern history. The solution to the issue is not trying to do away with asylums, but active attention to hold such places accountable.

If the people who build and run such things COULD be held accountable though we would not be having this conversation.

 

[LordsFire]

If the people who build and run such things COULD be held accountable though we would not be having this conversation.

They can be held accountable.

Society just generally lacks the interest to do so.

 

[mrttao]

Here's the thing, Lobotomy actually seemed to pacify the worst cases of mental illness

So does killing them.

Add on that at the time the "experts" on the Human Brain were all saying it was harmless

That is the part which bothers me.
> Experts say, just shred/chop off a large part of your brain. it is totally harmless
> Experts say just chop off your son's balls, it is totally harmless.

I don't understand how anyone could ever believe such an "expert".

Finally, because this was done to people who were mainly in asylums there was a certain "out of sight out of mind" aspect to it for the common person and for people working IN the asylum it made their jobs easier. Thus it was easy to go along with it despite the horror.

This is part of how it got prevalent.
But to clarify, I was not at all baffled at how it became prevalent or why "experts" did it.

I am only baffled at how average people actually believe doctors when the doctor says "just chop off your child's balls" or "just shred your child's frontal lobe of his brain"

 

[mrttao]

See and stuff like the above is what makes me question the credibility of Asylums and the field of mental health.

Aslyums have always been very non credible. Part of why we closed them off.
Horrific abuse, horrific malpractice, and usually they just tossed political dissidents into them.

For example, in france they tossed actual medical doctors into the asylums during covid if they disagree with the WHO

 

[Jormungandr]

Especially look at the comments.
Older gays, Bis, lesbians, and those whose family members/friends are non-hetero are now openly saying what we've known for ages.

They regret fighting for equal rights and representation because it's all now devolved into the Alphabet Tumour.

 

[DarthOne]

Especially look at the comments.
Older gays, Bis, lesbians, and those whose family members/friends are non-hetero are now openly saying what we've known for ages.

They regret fighting for equal rights and representation because it's all now devolved into the Alphabet Tumour.

I also wonder if some of that comes from a fear of the growing backlash.

 

[S'task]

That is the part which bothers me.
> Experts say, just shred/chop off a large part of your brain. it is totally harmless

Because the common person didn't know what the process entailed. Details were kept purposefully sparce and couched in medical jargon to purposefully hide what was being done.

This is common practice, look at the medical language surrounding abortion for instance, where they use euphemistic overly academic medical terms to disguise what they are doing from the average person. Remember, folks like us who post on forums and thus tend to write more and have a larger vocabulary than the average English speaker are the unusual ones for whom just jargonization DOESN'T work on, rather we react with appropriate horror and then anger, which confuses normies, who assume the academic medical jargon doesn't mean what we know it means...

 

[Jormungandr]

I also wonder if some of that comes from a fear of the growing backlash.

Possibly, but I think most just look at what their fellows and younger fellows have done/are doing, what the inclusion of Trenders and all the other Random Letters have done to poison/transform what they fought for, and the like.

These people I have a lot of respect for because they've seen the slippery slope, refused to go down it and stuck to sanity (equal rights, not domination/superiority/degeneracy, et cetera), and are horrified that their fellows have taken a swan dive down that slippery slope, off the precipice, and into the abyss.

These are the people, I think, who are trying to retro-split back into the LGB community, while cutting out everything else.

Because the common person didn't know what the process entailed. Details were kept purposefully sparce and couched in medical jargon to purposefully hide what was being done.

This is common practice, look at the medical language surrounding abortion for instance, where they use euphemistic overly academic medical terms to disguise what they are doing from the average person. Remember, folks like us who post on forums and thus tend to write more and have a larger vocabulary than the average English speaker are the unusual ones for whom just jargonization DOESN'T work on, rather we react with appropriate horror and then anger, which confuses normies, who assume the academic medical jargon doesn't mean what we know it means...

I've read up on several of the processes used in lobotomizations, and they're fucking horrifying.

Drilling through the forehead; what's basically an icepick through the eyes and a blow to the temple; going through the nose into the brain, et cetera.

There's a famous, black and white photo somewhere of a well groomed woman in a period dress staring crosseyed into the distance, as two doctors standing above her drill into her forehead.

Oh, and let's not forget the "sawing into the brain" method which turned a vibrant and spirited young woman into a drooling, incontinent vegetable with the mind of a three year old child.

Rosemary Kennedy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

All because she was "too spirited" for that timeframe.

 

[Abhorsen]

They can be held accountable.

Society just generally lacks the interest to do so.

Asylums are one of the trickiest things to hold people accountable for, because it's nearly impossible to get out of them once confined to one. Just getting before a judge is tricky, and then if the patient is abused, it's easy to write off the patient as crazy, because they legally are.

Asylums in particular are incredibly difficult to get right, and even if society wanted to, it's hard for them to do so. Give families of inmates control over the asylums? Some families might use that control to abuse a disliked kid/relative. Give control to the people running it? Well, they quickly become unaccountable. Give control to the patient? Well, that's inmates running the asylum. The US approach of almost never using them? That causes people to be put out onto the streets who can't have normal lives.

I've read up on several of the processes used in lobotomizations, and they're fucking horrifying.

Shit like this, btw, is why the LGBTs needed to protest at one time: this (or castration) was an actual legally mandated punishment that people could receive for consensual sex. Not in Alabama, in New York. California was infamous for a particular asylum where they'd just stuff gays inside.

So the LGBTs set up powerful lobbying machines, because between that and AIDs, they had too. And then we won pretty soon after those were set up, so the machine needed something to do (they don't just die). So we added marriage as a goal, which we won, and that was nice, but now what? And this (and at the end of the marriage fight) is when the machines started looking for the next challenge, because that's what they do. The issue is that the challenge found was an evil one: transing kids. The machine lived long enough to become a villian.

 

[DarthOne]

Democrats Will Champion Despicable Pedophilia Within Five Years, or Less

Democrats Will Champion Despicable Pedophilia Within Five Years, or Less

Rush Limbaugh warned Democrats would eventually promote pedophilia. Progressivism never stops. Its advocates never say, “This is far enough.” No sooner is one objective completed than left-wing agitators shout that a new social justice...

www.americanthinker.com

To opine that the deviant "road to progress" will lead to pedophilia is not mere conjecture.

Preliminary moves in that direction have already been undertaken.

A November 2021 New York Post article reported that Allyn Walker, a transgender assistant professor of sociology and criminal justice at Virginia University, stepped down after protest over his insistence that pedophiles be referred to respectfully as "minor-attracted persons" (MAPS).

But progressive academia did not judge Walker's sympathy for child lust disqualifying. The following year, he gained employment with the Johns Hopkins University Moore center which is, ironically, "aimed at preventing child sexual abuse," according to the New York Post.

A sympathetic 2022 Rutgers University review of Walker's book-length defense of child obsession, A Long Dark Shadow: Minor-Attracted People and their Pursuit of Dignity, euphemized potential predators as innocuous MAPS. Noted was Walker's wooly-headed argument that pedophiles be portrayed positively in media.

Also in 2022, a National Library of Medicine report observed, "Interest in the sexual attractions to children or minors (referred to in this paper as 'minor attraction') is increasing in academic and social contexts."

The author(s) lamented "stigma-related stress" that child-lusters allegedly suffer.

Entertainment targeted at children now communicates perversions, the intentions being acclimation and potential conversion. One Nickelodeon comedy features a 13-year-old transgender actor. Breitbart writer John Nolte often castigates what he terms the "Disney Grooming Syndicate," including Pixar, for churning out deviant sexual messages in films like Lightyear and Strange World for innocent audiences.

Progressives, including those in political office, don't view moral wrongs as negative phenomena to be punished and hopefully eradicated, but alternative choices deserving of societal respect and accommodation.

Last March, per the Lexington Herald-Leader, the Kentucky House considered a bill that criminalized possession, trafficking, importation, or promotion of child sex dolls. In commenting on that legislation, Democrat State Senator Karen Berg expressed the terrible view that such perverted devices might be beneficial:

'[F]or people who are attracted to minors, these dolls actually decrease their proclivity to go out and attack children. That it actually gives them a release that makes them less likely to go out of their home,' she said.

In reality, of course, making such horrible tools available would confer government sanction on pedophilia.

Berg did eventually support the legislation. But, as disclosed in the Lexington Herald-Leader, the bizarre thinking she'd voiced is "an ongoing debate among experts, documented in publications by the National Institutes for Health and Journal of Sex Research."

Democrat Bill Clinton frolicked on mega-Democrat party donor Jeffrey Epstein's "Pedophile Island." What elected Democrat has publicly condemned the former president for his fetid dalliance?

Though they refrained from criticizing Clinton for actual misbehavior, Democrats are now circulating online doctored photos purportedly capturing ex-President Trump in unsavory circumstances. Despite those fraudulent portrayals having been debunked, Democrats persist in promoting them. Trump, in reality, banned Epstein from Mar-a-Lago.

Joe Biden's daughter Ashley allegedly confided in her diary that as a youngster, her showers were interrupted by the Democrat appearing, uninvited, and disrobing to join her.

 

[Warmaster]

Asylums are one of the trickiest things to hold people accountable for, because it's nearly impossible to get out of them once confined to one. Just getting before a judge is tricky, and then if the patient is abused, it's easy to write off the patient as crazy, because they legally are.

Asylums in particular are incredibly difficult to get right, and even if society wanted to, it's hard for them to do so. Give families of inmates control over the asylums? Some families might use that control to abuse a disliked kid/relative. Give control to the people running it? Well, they quickly become unaccountable. Give control to the patient? Well, that's inmates running the asylum. The US approach of almost never using them? That causes people to be put out onto the streets who can't have normal lives.

Wouldn't it be easier for there to be legislation forcing asylums to allow families to access the security footage when they have family members inside? So if any allegations of abuse happened they could be verified? Just throwing out ideas here.

I know the issues regarding asylums in general but there has to be a good solution, right? I don't really have a solid understand on how to make them work.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

I also wonder if some of that comes from a fear of the growing backlash.

Well I mean...yeah? I'm going to use an extreme example here but it's like having a child only to realize he's a psychopathic serial killer that's about to kill you. No parent looks at that Newborn baby and goes. "Oh yeah, I'm proud to have a child that is going to become a serial killer and kill me when he grows up." no they desire good things for the kid and hope that child brings something positive to the world. When they realize their kid is a serial killer they go "If I knew then what I know now I would have castrated myself."

I'm sure there are a lot of things people would have done differently if they could see the consequences of it 10-20-30 years down the road.

Sadly hindsight is 20/20 and it's a motherhubbard

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

I've read up on several of the processes used in lobotomizations, and they're fucking horrifying.

Drilling through the forehead; what's basically an icepick through the eyes and a blow to the temple; going through the nose into the brain, et cetera.

There's a famous, black and white photo somewhere of a well groomed woman in a period dress staring crosseyed into the distance, as two doctors standing above her drill into her forehead.

Oh, and let's not forget the "sawing into the brain" method which turned a vibrant and spirited young woman into a drooling, incontinent vegetable with the mind of a three year old child.

Rosemary Kennedy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

All because she was "too spirited" for that timeframe.

Nah it's not so bad, they just...Go in through your nose and they let you keep the piece of brain they cut out...

Itsssssssssssssssssssss blisssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss...

 

[Abhorsen]

Wouldn't it be easier for there to be legislation forcing asylums to allow families to access the security footage when they have family members inside? So if any allegations of abuse happened they could be verified? Just throwing out ideas here.

I know the issues regarding asylums in general but there has to be a good solution, right? I don't really have a solid understand on how to make them work.

There sorta is. Discovery during a lawsuit allows this.

But even then, it's not a catchall solution, and it has a major flaw. Doctor/patient confidentiality is a thing, and it applies double to therapists, especially with families who may have been the cause of whatever resulted in them being in the asylum. It would make cases of abusive parents putting a kid in an asylum even harder to get out of.

Remember, when someone's in an asylum, there's a non-negligable chance it's the parent's fault. Basically, there's four groups in any asylum oversight: the patient, their family, the doctors, and the government. You can't trust the patient. The family might be why the patient is there. The doctors keep doing fucked up things, and the government keeps enabling it. There's no good solution.

 

[Cherico]

Democrats Will Champion Despicable Pedophilia Within Five Years, or Less

Democrats Will Champion Despicable Pedophilia Within Five Years, or Less

Rush Limbaugh warned Democrats would eventually promote pedophilia. Progressivism never stops. Its advocates never say, “This is far enough.” No sooner is one objective completed than left-wing agitators shout that a new social justice...

www.americanthinker.com

Yeah pretty much every one with pattern reconition skills saw this one coming.

My money is that they successfully lower the age of consent to 16. 15 tops. Shit like this is most likely going to be the thing that gets the black community to dip, as well as more of the Latino and Asian communities.

 

[mrttao]

Democrats Will Champion Despicable Pedophilia Within Five Years, or Less

Democrats Will Champion Despicable Pedophilia Within Five Years, or Less

Rush Limbaugh warned Democrats would eventually promote pedophilia. Progressivism never stops. Its advocates never say, “This is far enough.” No sooner is one objective completed than left-wing agitators shout that a new social justice...

www.americanthinker.com

> Will
already are.

 

[DarthOne]

Ban on children's puberty blockers to be enforced in private sector in England

Ban on children’s puberty blockers to be enforced in private sector in England

CQC will check new guidance in Cass report is applied by private care providers to avoid ‘two-tier’ access to drugs

www.theguardian.com

England's health regulator will take enforcement action against private clinics that prescribe puberty blockers to under-18s in defiance of the NHS's ban on the controversial drugs.

The Care Quality Commission (CQC) will check that private providers of care to those who are questioning their gender identity are applying new guidance recommended by Dr Hilary Cass.
https://www.theguardian.com/society...-built-on-shaky-foundations-cass-review-finds
In an important report this week Cass warned that puberty blockers have not been proven to reduce gender dysphoria or improve body satisfaction, may damage a teenager's ability to think and reason and also that the rationale for suppressing puberty at all "remains unclear".

The ex-president of the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health made clear her view, which NHS England had already adopted last month, that they should no longer be given to anyone under 18 on safety grounds.

The CQC plans to ensure that Cass's approach is being followed by private clinics, not just the NHS, amid concern from doctors and campaigners that for-profit outfits may seek to keep prescribing the drugs and create a "two-tier" approach to the drugs, with access dependent on wealth.

 

[Captain X]