Leftist Child Grooming

[Terthna]

True but I think what makes Hitler so graphic in our minds is A. the fact that it's recent and B. The personal accounts have been so well kept from the victims to the perpetrators. Heck, when America first invaded the camps the man behind the operation wanted it all recorded on tape because "People will deny that this ever occurred." and he wanted to make sure that didn't happen. So while he may not be the first or even the worst, Hitler's genocide probably scarred the most deeply...for now.

Course now we've gone from people denying the holocaust happened to saying "They got what was coming to them." so who knows what any of it actually means. *sigh*

Plus he was the evil dragon America slew to establish its credentials as the preeminent world power, so of course he because ingrained in our collective psyche.

 

[Morphic Tide]

Right, thanks for confirming you never studied any history ever.
Genocide is just tuesday for humanity.

Breaking into eight figures of "we specifically went out of our way to kill them"

10+ million is not. The record-setting death tolls of the pre-industrial world are in large part collateral from famine and plague, not direct hunt-down-to-kill. Yet again, what I am saying is unprecedented is the scale of it. The Holocaust proper more than doubled the Armenian Genocide, before we get into fully-intended "for the sake of killing them" war-related deaths.

Yes, nasty shit happened before. But the Nazis did it much bigger than anyone before. Get. It. Through. Your. Head. Or cite actual fucking numbers of a 10+ million genocide before them.

 

[DarthOne]

10+ million is not. The record-setting death tolls of the pre-industrial world are in large part collateral from famine and plague, not direct hunt-down-to-kill. Yet again, what I am saying is unprecedented is the scale of it. The Holocaust proper more than doubled the Armenian Genocide, before we get into fully-intended "for the sake of killing them" war-related deaths.

Yes, nasty shit happened before. But the Nazis did it much bigger than anyone before. Get. It. Through. Your. Head. Or cite actual fucking numbers of a 10+ million genocide before them.

The Soviet Union has entered the Chat.

 

[DarthOne]

Doctor: Transgenderism Mimics the 1980s 'Recovered Memory' Craze

https://archive.ph/2almA

The wave of youths claiming to be "transgender" mimics the 1980s craze among young people who claimed to have had a "recovered memory" of sexual trauma, says a Finnish doctor who is also alarmed by U.S. therapists' enthusiasm for radical sexual treatment of children.

"Medicine, unfortunately, is not immune to dangerous groupthink that results in patient harm," Dr. Riittakerttu Kaltiala, the chief psychiatrist in the Department of Adolescent Psychiatry at Finland's Tampere University Hospital, said.

In an October 31 article for the Free Press, she wrote:
What is happening to ["transgender"] dysphoric children reminds me of the recovered memory craze of the 1980s and '90s. During that period, many troubled women came to believe false memories, often suggested to them by their therapists, of nonexistent sexual abuse by their fathers or other family members. This abuse, the therapists said, explained everything that was wrong with the lives of their patients. Families were torn apart, and some people were prosecuted based on made-up assertions. It ended when therapists, journalists, and lawyers investigated and exposed what was happening.
The recovered memory craze — sometimes described as "repressed memory" — caused significant personal and civic harm during the 1980s and 1990s. A September 2022 op-ed in the New York Times described the rise and fall of the therapist-fueled craze:
One survey of clinicians taken in 1994 revealed that 13 percent reported seeing at least one case of a patient remembering ritualistic abuse. Thousands of patients described truly incredible scenes of ritual murders, cannibalization, gang rapes and forced pregnancies.
…
We'll never know how many people experienced recovered memory therapy. However, a 2017 poll of adults in the United States conducted by the psychology professor Lawrence Patihis and the author Mark Pendergrast provides some clues. They found that 20 percent of people they surveyed who went to treatment sometime in the past five decades reported being treated by therapists who suggested the possibility that the client had repressed memories of abuse.
In Europe, the growing evidence of "transgender" harm has caused Kaltiala and other doctors to step back from medical treatment of children and youths. Those European doctors are now urging American doctors to follow the evidence.
Breitbart News reported in July, "'The politicization of transgender healthcare in the U.S. is unfortunate," said a letter posted in the Wall Street Journal by 21 professionals from the United Kingdom, Sweden, Finland, Norway, France, Switzerland, and the United States."
But U.S. doctors are ignoring the warning signals from the data collected by their European peers, Kaltiala wrote:
I attempted to address the rising international concerns about pediatric gender transition at this year's annual conference of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry. But the two proposed panels were rejected by the academy. This is highly disturbing. Science does not progress through silencing. Doctors who refuse to consider evidence presented by critics are putting patient safety at risk.
U.S. doctors are also hiding the reality that many youths drop their claims of transgender status and quietly exit medical treatments:
There is an oft-repeated statistic in the world of pediatric gender medicine that only one percent or less of young people who transition subsequently detransition. The studies asserting this, too, rest on biased questions, inadequate samples, and short timelines. I believe regret is far more widespread. For example, one new studyshows that nearly 30 percent of patients in the sample ceased filling their hormone prescription within four years.
A 2022 study of 952 people said:
Our results suggest that [roughly 70 percent] of [treated] individuals who start gender-affirming hormones will continue use beyond 4 years, with higher continuation rates in [male] individuals. Patients who start hormones, with their parents' assistance, before age 18 years have higher continuation rates than adults.
Most youths who are kept away from U.S. doctors quietly drop their claims and revert to a normal attitude, Kaltiala wrote:
We noted in our [2018] study a point that is generally ignored by gender activists. That is, for the overwhelming majority of gender dysphoric children—around 80 percent—their dysphoria resolves itself if they are left to go through natural puberty. Often these children come to realize they are gay.
The article is headlined: "Gender-Affirming Care Is Dangerous. I Know Because I Helped Pioneer It."

Read it all here.

 

[DarthOne]

This is being taught to primary school students in the UK.

It gives children the message that to be 'cis' and comfortable in their own body is to be boring or uncool.

This is abhorrent indoctrination and manipulation.

 

[Morphic Tide]

The Soviet Union has entered the Chat.

or parse WW2 and the Holodomor in rather unusual ways.

Even if you were to add the higher-end current estimates of Dekulakization, Decossackization, and the Holodomor, ignoring how they overlapped and how many were collateral of fucking up the food supply with farm collectivization (as previously mentioned regarding much of the Mongol death-toll falling under more general "war is hell" livelyhood disruption than deliberate eradication of opposition), you only get 11 million. It took some time after for the Nazis to be outdone by Communists. Again, "unprecedented" means "did not happen previously", "scale" refers to the summation. They brought the biggest number higher, why is this so contentious?

 

[King Arts]

Even if you were to add the higher-end current estimates of Dekulakization, Decossackization, and the Holodomor, ignoring how they overlapped and how many were collateral of fucking up the food supply with farm collectivization (as previously mentioned regarding much of the Mongol death-toll falling under more general "war is hell" livelyhood disruption than deliberate eradication of opposition), you only get 11 million. It took some time after for the Nazis to be outdone by Communists. Again, "unprecedented" means "did not happen previously", "scale" refers to the summation. They brought the biggest number higher, why is this so contentious?

And how many do you think the holocaust killed. 11 million is the high end.

 

[Morphic Tide]

And how many do you think the holocaust killed. 11 million is the high end.

How many extra do you think are only counted in the more general WW2 death toll expressly for getting in the way of the Holocaust, if we have to crowbar overlapping Kulak and Cossack persecution as obvious lead-ins to the Holodomor?

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

Flip this on its head. "Us cis straight people are so secure in our own existence we don't need a special day or flag or feel the need to constantly pat ourselves on the back."

 

[mandragon]

The Soviet Union has entered the Chat.

Laughs in Mao Ze Dong

 

[King Arts]

How many extra do you think are only counted in the more general WW2 death toll expressly for getting in the way of the Holocaust, if we have to crowbar overlapping Kulak and Cossack persecution as obvious lead-ins to the Holodomor?

Dumbest shit I've heard. The Germans aren't responsible for all 40 million deaths of ww2. The Soviets, and the British, and French also have responsibility then.

 

[Morphic Tide]

Dumbest shit I've heard. The Germans aren't responsible for all 40 million deaths of ww2. The Soviets, and the British, and French also have responsibility then.

They only need to be responsible for maybe 5 million in pursuit of the Holocaust to have the then-largest single pursuit of atrocity. And that's with being very generous toward the Holodomor by bundling in two decidedly-different Soviet policies.

 

[King Arts]

They only need to be responsible for maybe 5 million in pursuit of the Holocaust to have the then-largest single pursuit of atrocity. And that's with being very generous toward the Holodomor by bundling in two decidedly-different Soviet policies.

You are literally brushing aside Soviet crimes saying they aren't genocides just "accidental famines" Did you just come from spacebattles lol?

 

[LordsFire]

You are literally brushing aside Soviet crimes saying they aren't genocides just "accidental famines" Did you just come from spacebattles lol?

No, he is not.

If you actually read his posts fully, you'd see what he was saying is 'The Nazis were the first to get to these kinds of numbers.'

Not that nobody else ever did.

 

[King Arts]

No, he is not.

If you actually read his posts fully, you'd see what he was saying is 'The Nazis were the first to get to these kinds of numbers.'

Not that nobody else ever did.

Again he brushed off the holdomwr which had multiple million killed and was in the 20s and 30s as opposed to the holocaust’s 40s also before all that was the Armenian genocide by the Turks which killed between 1 and 2 million less than the later ones but still in the same ball park.

 

[LordsFire]

Again he brushed off the holdomwr which had multiple million killed and was in the 20s and 30s as opposed to the holocaust’s 40s also before all that was the Armenian genocide by the Turks which killed between 1 and 2 million less than the later ones but still in the same ball park.

The Holodomor, IIRC, killed ~4 million.

The Armenian Genocide was 1-2 million.

The Holocaust killed 6-11 million.

...One number is clearly bigger than the others. Why is this hard for you to understand?

 

[King Arts]

The Holodomor, IIRC, killed ~4 million.

The Armenian Genocide was 1-2 million.

The Holocaust killed 6-11 million.

...One number is clearly bigger than the others. Why is this hard for you to understand?

He said the Holodomor killed 11 million. Also what about later killings by commies that exceed the holocaust? Again I have it be millions of deaths that causes it to be big why does your standard have it be 6 million for the first big genocide?

 

[LordsFire]

He said the Holodomor killed 11 million. Also what about later killings by commies that exceed the holocaust? Again I have it be millions of deaths that causes it to be big why does your standard have it be 6 million for the first big genocide?

If you're going to be deliberately obtuse, and ignore things said two posts ago, I'm not going to waste time.

 

[King Krávoka]

If you actually read his posts fully, you'd see what he was saying is 'The Nazis were the first to get to these kinds of numbers.'

Nah, King Leopold II.

 

[Morphic Tide]

You are literally brushing aside Soviet crimes saying they aren't genocides just "accidental famines" Did you just come from spacebattles lol?

No, I'm saying they were smaller in scale and could be even smaller depending on how you draw the borders of the general famine that was going on. The direct policy decision to be rid of the Kulaks so as to collectivize their farms directly killed as few as 390 thousand, but the loss of agricultural efficiency can be traced to the state of famine preceding and quite possibly enabling the Holodomor itself.

He said the Holodomor killed 11 million. Also what about later killings by commies that exceed the holocaust? Again I have it be millions of deaths that causes it to be big why does your standard have it be 6 million for the first big genocide?

Firstly, I specifically noted that is the broadest possible interpretation using the high estimates and dragging in Dekulakization that was mostly in different areas as important to the relative subtlety of it. Secondly, later killings are not precedent. Specifically in 1946, the overall bulk of deaths in pursuit of the Holocaust set the then-highest benchmark. Relatively shortly prior, the Holodomor is one of the fuzziest genocides in history because of its intimate ties to an entirely unrelated state of famine from Communism not working.

The Armenian Genocide would be the "first big one" in terms of characteristic use of industrial technology to facilitate the mass killing as unusually impersonal and low-risk, but could very well be smaller scale and definitely was less successful than the Circassian Genocide of the 1860s.