Leftist Child Grooming

[LordsFire]

The grand irony of this is that if we want this stuff laid out on the table with names, quotes and book titles it takes an atheist mathematician like Lindsay to do it, even though many of them had a huge head start in knowing which direction to look in at least.

That goes double (or more like hundredfold) for giant religious organizations with budgets in billions and whole universities in their names, what the fuck were they doing all these years?

You really don't know anything about this part of society.

Christians have been stridently fighting the culture wars for decades, but secularists have controlled media institutions since the mid 1900's at least, and as S'task has pointed out, the large denominations fell very early in the struggle to internal infiltration.

There are a large number of Christian organizations fighting these things, there have been protests, there have been boycott campaigns, there have been marches, there have been political backing...

...And the mainstream media has either laughed at them, or ignored million-person 'March For Life' in favor of focusing on the less than 100-person Westboro Baptist Church and try to depict those nutjobs as representative of Christianity as a whole.

Atheists have waged a very successful campaign across the latter half of the 20th century, of simply being able to dismiss a person, their positions, and their arguments, by saying 'they're religious.'

Until very recently libertarians tended to help and support those motivated by atheism, leftism, or both in these things, because they didn't like Christians talking about moral restraint, even when they weren't trying to make it a matter of law.

 

[DarthOne]

Religious people have roughly three children for everyone atheists have it's a problem that will solve itself.

It's the non religious who should be pressing hard for religious liberty because the long run does not belong to them.

And right now-and the immediate future- those kids are more then likely going to be educated in leftist-captured schools and colleges and be bombarded by leftist media and ideas in the internet.

It doesn’t matter how many kids you have if someone else is essentially raising them because mom and dad have to both work just to make ends meet in this collapsing economy.

 

[Blasterbot]

And right now-and the immediate future- those kids are more then likely going to be educated in leftist-captured schools and colleges and be bombarded by leftist media and ideas in the internet.

It doesn’t matter how many kids you have if someone else is essentially raising them because mom and dad have to both work just to make ends meet in this collapsing economy.

that is the problem. do not outsource the raising of your kids. you don't have the luxury of being able to rely on others raising your kids for you. You have to be present in your kids lives. even if both mom and dad work. even if dad is loaded down with overtime. Everyone wants to get your kids to follow their ideology. make whatever adjustments needed to accommodate that. nothing is more important than making sure your kids aren't around pedo teachers. In short bursts you can offload some to people you trust. but don't count on the government not to have an agenda for your kids. there is no excuse. we have seen the schools deteriorate for decades.

 

[Marduk]

You really don't know anything about this part of society.

Christians have been stridently fighting the culture wars for decades, but secularists have controlled media institutions since the mid 1900's at least, and as S'task has pointed out, the large denominations fell very early in the struggle to internal infiltration.

There are a large number of Christian organizations fighting these things, there have been protests, there have been boycott campaigns, there have been marches, there have been political backing...

...And the mainstream media has either laughed at them, or ignored million-person 'March For Life' in favor of focusing on the less than 100-person Westboro Baptist Church and try to depict those nutjobs as representative of Christianity as a whole.

Atheists have waged a very successful campaign across the latter half of the 20th century, of simply being able to dismiss a person, their positions, and their arguments, by saying 'they're religious.'

Until very recently libertarians tended to help and support those motivated by atheism, leftism, or both in these things, because they didn't like Christians talking about moral restraint, even when they weren't trying to make it a matter of law.

But i was not talking about general pushing of own ideas on matters like abortion, marriage or so on, yes i know they always do that.
I'm talking about a specific kind of activity, airing the left's dirty laundry regarding the alphabet soup and its spicy connections, with names and history, that if done correctly would not be easily identifiable as religious (which would solve one of the mentioned problems).

Everyone and their dog know that the alphabet soup is going against Christianity's moral restraints as classically defined, whether they agree with those or not, but not nearly enough people know about, for example, the relations between the T agenda, far left, people like John Money and their exploits involving children, which everyone will agree can persuade effectively way beyond the pool of people who agree with Christian ideas of moral restraint.

 

[S'task]

But i was not talking about general pushing of own ideas on matters like abortion, marriage or so on, yes i know they always do that.
I'm talking about a specific kind of activity, airing the left's dirty laundry regarding the alphabet soup and its spicy connections, with names and history, that if done correctly would not be easily identifiable as religious (which would solve one of the mentioned problems).

Everyone and their dog know that the alphabet soup is going against Christianity's moral restraints as classically defined, whether they agree with those or not, but not nearly enough people know about, for example, the relations between the T agenda, far left, people like John Money and their exploits involving children, which everyone will agree can persuade effectively way beyond the pool of people who agree with Christian ideas of moral restraint.

. . .

They DID. I remember reading about the links between NAMBLA and many in the Gay Rights movement back in the early 90s. They have been talking about these links, both ideologically and organizationally for decades. You know what happened? Nobody listened, because the mainstream media literally covered it up and called people who pushed such claims homophobic and "religious nutjobs" and meanwhile the more mainstream gay rights organizations quietly removed all mentions of their connections to such ideas and organizations and claimed they'd purged them from the movement... all while holding up people like Harvey Milk as heroes of their movement. And nobody was the wiser because all the "experts" were saying that the claims were false, the media were saying the claims were false, and the gay rights movement was saying the claims were false, and you couldn't exactly go and easily access the academic literature to look for yourself since this was all before the massive expansion of internet archiving and things like JSTOR.

By the time it became easier to do this research on things in the 00s, nobody double checked the claims as the well had been quite thoroughly poisoned, and anyone claiming those connections was seen as a conspiracy theorist religious nutjob. It literally took people who used to be opposed to the religious right going back and starting to check the actual post modernist and queer literature and reporting on it to get people outside the religious right to start taking the claims seriously, and that only really began happening in the last few years as more and more people have realized that the so-called LGBT rights movement has gone WAY to far and are wondering how they got here and why...

Only for them to start looking and realize the religious right was correct the entire time... but even then, they have trouble overcoming their deep-seated biases against the religious right and instead tend to prefer the idea that this was just... things going to far rather than being a natural continuation of what the academics behind the THE LBT movement have been pushing for the entire time.

 

[Cherico]

And right now-and the immediate future- those kids are more then likely going to be educated in leftist-captured schools and colleges and be bombarded by leftist media and ideas in the internet.

It doesn’t matter how many kids you have if someone else is essentially raising them because mom and dad have to both work just to make ends meet in this collapsing economy.

With the left going hard core the defectection rate is 20 percent but the left has a 10 percent defection rate. The rights total demographic advantage is 40 percent.

That still leaves a 36 percent advantage that compounds over the generations.

 

[ParadiseLost]

With the left going hard core the defectection rate is 20 percent but the left has a 10 percent defection rate. The rights total demographic advantage is 40 percent.

That still leaves a 36 percent advantage that compounds over the generations.

I'd like a source backing up that the generational defection rate is just 20%.

In my experience its more like 60%+.

 

[Cherico]

I'd like a source backing up that the generational defection rate is just 20%.

In my experience its more like 60%+.

It varies by region but yeah right now with the left going hardcore that's defection rate. Your already seeing the results of this demographic dividends starting to hit politics.

And it's just going to get worse for them with time.

 

[Sir 1000]

I once saw a trans drag thing from a distance(passing through) and i couldn't help but notice three groups of cameras. The first and largest was randoms with cell phones, the second seemed like youtubers recording the weirdos themselves with actual cameras of various quality, the third was multiple high quality cameras watching the audience. Said audience having multiple local officials, surrounded by many underage boys and girls. The security services are notorious blackmailers and knowing someones perversion would allow for entrapment of a sort. I can't help but wonder if this was pointed out at such events how long they would continue.

tldr glowies use this shit to find targets to blackmail and pimp out their poison of choice

 

[mrttao]

With the left going hard core the defectection rate is 20 percent but the left has a 10 percent defection rate. The rights total demographic advantage is 40 percent.

That still leaves a 36 percent advantage that compounds over the generations.

The problem is that the defectors are still leftists usually, just not hardcore leftists.
It is how we get "conservatives" like elon musk.

 

[Cherico]

The problem is that the defectors are still leftists usually, just not hardcore leftists.
It is how we get "conservatives" like elon musk.

Elon Musk has done a hell of a lot for us, yes in theory he could have done a lot more but the guy has done more damage to the lefts monopoly on cultural power then anyone here. Is he kind of squishy on a lot of issues we care about? Yes, but results speak very loudly.

 

[mrttao]

Elon Musk has done a hell of a lot for us, yes in theory he could have done a lot more but the guy has done more damage to the lefts monopoly on cultural power then anyone here. Is he kind of squishy on a lot of issues we care about? Yes, but results speak very loudly.

1. being an ally of doesn't make him a conservative.
He is a liberal that disagrees about cutting off children's body parts and a few other abominations.
Why is everyone calling him a conservative then?

2. Results? well, he did upgrade shadow banning to shadow banning 2.0 aka "freedom of speech not freedom of reach"
And he riled up some low level leftist mouth pieces... while having closed door meeting with WEF which resulted in him appointing WEF puppet to manage twitter.

 

[Cherico]

1. being an ally of doesn't make him a conservative.
He is a liberal that disagrees about cutting off children's body parts and a few other abominations.
Why is everyone calling him a conservative then?

2. Results? well, he did upgrade shadow banning to shadow banning 2.0 aka "freedom of speech not freedom of reach"
And he riled up some low level leftist mouth pieces... while having closed door meeting with WEF which resulted in him appointing WEF puppet to manage twitter.

still better then what we had man.

Things were simply put that bad.

 

[mrttao]

still better then what we had man.

Things were simply put that bad.

1. I would like to point out I was joining an argument about demographics.
Specifically the claim that demographics are shifting in favor of conservatives.

I countered with the fact that those "conservatives" we are getting actually mostly liberals who are not fully on board with the cult agenda.

2. No, he actually made twatter worse. it lured back a lot of conservatives. to get shadowbanned.
soft-shadowbanning is more insidious than hard-shadowbanning

3. The good thing he did was reveal twitter files... which is stuff everyone already knew. but apparently needed him to legitimize with proof that FBI and congress is giving orders.

 

[Cherico]

1. I would like to point out I was joining an argument about demographics.
Specifically the claim that demographics are shifting in favor of conservatives.

I countered with the fact that those "conservatives" we are getting actually mostly liberals who are fully on board with the cult agenda.

2. No, he actually made twatter worse. it lured back a lot of conservatives. to get shadowbanned.
soft-shadowbanning is more insidious than hard-shadowbanning

3. The good thing he did was reveal twitter files... which is stuff everyone already knew. but apparently needed him to legitimize with proof that FBI and congress is giving orders.

The Twitter files was something we already knew but this made it official to the general public, if things ever change and you get a congress that isn't in bed with the FBI thats something that absolutely could see them purged.

 

[mrttao]

The Twitter files was something we already knew but this made it official to the general public, if things ever change and you get a congress that isn't in bed with the FBI thats something that absolutely could see them purged.

please note I fixed a typo in previous post.
I meant to say "liberals NOT on board" and missed the NOT.

 

[Marduk]

. . .

They DID. I remember reading about the links between NAMBLA and many in the Gay Rights movement back in the early 90s. They have been talking about these links, both ideologically and organizationally for decades. You know what happened? Nobody listened, because the mainstream media literally covered it up and called people who pushed such claims homophobic and "religious nutjobs" and meanwhile the more mainstream gay rights organizations quietly removed all mentions of their connections to such ideas and organizations and claimed they'd purged them from the movement... all while holding up people like Harvey Milk as heroes of their movement. And nobody was the wiser because all the "experts" were saying that the claims were false, the media were saying the claims were false, and the gay rights movement was saying the claims were false, and you couldn't exactly go and easily access the academic literature to look for yourself since this was all before the massive expansion of internet archiving and things like JSTOR.

By the time it became easier to do this research on things in the 00s, nobody double checked the claims as the well had been quite thoroughly poisoned, and anyone claiming those connections was seen as a conspiracy theorist religious nutjob. It literally took people who used to be opposed to the religious right going back and starting to check the actual post modernist and queer literature and reporting on it to get people outside the religious right to start taking the claims seriously, and that only really began happening in the last few years as more and more people have realized that the so-called LGBT rights movement has gone WAY to far and are wondering how they got here and why...

Only for them to start looking and realize the religious right was correct the entire time... but even then, they have trouble overcoming their deep-seated biases against the religious right and instead tend to prefer the idea that this was just... things going to far rather than being a natural continuation of what the academics behind the THE LBT movement have been pushing for the entire time.

It's definitely easier to find this information now, though on the other hand, we're not talking about few buddies having to find it and failing, large institutions, some with even whole research institutions (i don't know about the US-specific churches and their institutions, but i'm looking particularly hard at the absolutely largest of institutional elephants in the room based in Vatican), should be expected to deal with such challenges better, and have their own experts to rely on, considering the sheer amount of people on their payroll.

One thing to note here is that the media was always more than willing to show the members of the religious right willing to fit the religious nutjob stereotype, and for a reason...
And despite all the hindsight, there are still people going out of their way to fit this mold and go full Saudi Arabia in that topic.

Another generally missing from the debates of old secular argument for taking a more skeptical look at the left's pet groups is to take a step back out of the Christian world... then take another step back out of the world of Abrahamic religions, and look what the rest of the world is doing regarding the alphabet soup, among other things. Why? To notice that even in clear absence of the "homophobic bigots" the other side blames every doubt on completely different cultures all over the world also for some reasons don't feel too eager to embrace these interest groups and give them everything they want to have everyone declare "and then everyone was happy and they lived happily ever after". It's clearly not just some quirk of religious right of Christian countries, to some degree or another it's literally the whole world that is denying them what they say is their obvious rights that only silly bigots would deny.

 

[LordsFire]

It's definitely easier to find this information now, though on the other hand, we're not talking about few buddies having to find it and failing, large institutions, some with even whole research institutions (i don't know about the US-specific churches and their institutions, but i'm looking particularly hard at the absolutely largest of institutional elephants in the room based in Vatican), should be expected to deal with such challenges better, and have their own experts to rely on, considering the sheer amount of people on their payroll.

One thing to note here is that the media was always more than willing to show the members of the religious right willing to fit the religious nutjob stereotype, and for a reason...
And despite all the hindsight, there are still people going out of their way to fit this mold and go full Saudi Arabia in that topic.

Another generally missing from the debates of old secular argument for taking a more skeptical look at the left's pet groups is to take a step back out of the Christian world... then take another step back out of the world of Abrahamic religions, and look what the rest of the world is doing regarding the alphabet soup, among other things. Why? To notice that even in clear absence of the "homophobic bigots" the other side blames every doubt on completely different cultures all over the world also for some reasons don't feel too eager to embrace these interest groups and give them everything they want to have everyone declare "and then everyone was happy and they lived happily ever after". It's clearly not just some quirk of religious right of Christian countries, to some degree or another it's literally the whole world that is denying them what they say is their obvious rights that only silly bigots would deny.

You know, it's almost like the pro-deviancy crowd don't engage in debates in good faith, especially against Christians, because they aren't interested in the outcome that debating in good faith would lead them to?

 

[Marduk]

You know, it's almost like the pro-deviancy crowd don't engage in debates in good faith, especially against Christians, because they aren't interested in the outcome that debating in good faith would lead them to?

And this crowd is what, 10-20% of voter base at most? Convincing the consciously ideological leftists at large scale wasn't a viable option then any more than now, especially from explicitly religious point of view, but that still leaves a lot of less political people to potentially convince.

 

[LordsFire]

And this crowd is what, 10-20% of voter base at most? Convincing the consciously ideological leftists at large scale wasn't a viable option then any more than now, especially from explicitly religious point of view, but that still leaves a lot of less political people to potentially convince.

Which is why such people have deliberately taken control of every bit of media apparatus and government apparatus that they can.

Your question seems to basically be "Why didn't you win the culture wars?"

Well, when the enemy is offering free hand-outs, and to approve of your selfish habits, and telling you the people reminding you that gross self-indulgence is bad, self-discipline is good, are actually the bad guys, that's a very seductive argument.

Especially because the catastrophic civilizational consequences take quite a while to manifest, and those same indulgent 'friends' of yours will happily lie about what's causing those consequences too.