Leftist Child Grooming

[LordsFire]

And once again I request that we have a barfing reaction option for this site.

Moving on, I’m once again forced to ask myself how in God’s name did this disturbing corruption of civilization happen. What could have been done. And what must be done now.

This was inevitable from the moment God was rejected.

Once you take the actual God off the throne and reject His moral authority, men will step into the role of becoming the arbiters of what is and is not moral.

And this always turns to sexual vice and violence, because the two most powerful drugs are sex, and power over others, which at the final line is exerted through violence.

When the dominant political faction cares more about power, you get the USSR or the Third Reich. When the dominant factor is hedonism, you get the Weimar Republic or Rome during its decline.

Make no mistake, the other side will be present as well. High-ranking members of totalitarian states get plenty of access to beautiful young women (and men/boys), and those in hedonistic regimes will crush specific individuals they despise, but you can very much tell which way a fallen state is tilted.

Various secularists who haven't gone into full crazy-land will try to argue that they can have their cake and eat it too, but that's a much more involved argument.

 

[Darmani]

ANYTHING

Anything?
Make no mistake normalization of Queerness is the goal
But its misleading to assume not teach about gender norms or heterosexuality with
"This is a family"
Or how to address mr. Or ms. or mrs.
Oppose if like but gender snd sexusl orientation...heck reproduction (where babies come from and what means) were taught to me around kindergarten and so ...in a lutheran private school.

Lgbt =/= pornhub or deviancy
Say nothing the lgbt pardmts, staff, crlebs, leaders, and senior students

 

[Abhorsen]

Rome during its decline

Rome during it's heyday was still having sex with kids. Same with Greece and Japan, no need for gods or no gods. Having a God didn't save Afghanistan from the dancing boys, nor did it stop a host of other problems. There's nothing special about god, it's just that being an actual Christian in America also means that you are incredibly likely to not be woke because that's how the politics fell.

Men have always been the arbiters of what is and isn't moral, and then use a holy book as an authority to proclaim what they think is moral is because some god said so, bending the words as needed.

The problem isn't religion or lack of it, it's the long march through the institutions making an activist class that faced Alexander's problem of nothing more to conquer. So they decided to go for stupid shit instead.

They need to have started losing about 10 years ago as far as I'm concerned. AT LEAST!

Not sure what you mean by this.

No they wouldn't.

You guys aren't realizing who these people are, they are the moral enforcers, those who seek self worth by thinking they are better than others, that they are morally or otherwise superior. Whom cling to what is seen as the dominate moral framework of the period and act as its enforcers and footsoldiers.

Ever wonder where the Mean Church Ladies have gone? Why come the 2010s that was effectively a dead meme and even in the 1990s was a dying meme? The Mean Church Ladies have disappeared, but those who would have been them became Twitter Karens and the Cancel Mob.

No, they wouldn't have been marching with MLK. That involved actual risk of imprisonment and marginalization from Good Society at the time. These people risk nothing by tearing down society. Good Society praises them and they are welcome into it because of their antics. Those who oppose it are the pariahs outside of Good Standing.

No, they were not those who marched for Civil Rights, no matter what tales they tell themselves. No, they would have been those in the Lynch mobs. They would have been those with the white hoods in the Good ol' Boys network making sure the status quo and Good Standing was maintained.

Eh, I'd say some are, some aren't. You are right about the Karens and the Church ladies. But the millennial activists? No, they are absolutely the same activist class without a valid fight. You can tell exactly where they got radicalized, and it wasn't at home.

 

[LordsFire]

The problem isn't religion or lack of it, it's the long march through the institutions making an activist class that faced Alexander's problem of nothing more to conquer. So they decided to go for stupid shit instead.

The problem is what is or isn't True.

Rejection of God is paired with rejection of truth, but then we've already been over that on other threads.

 

[DarthOne]

@Abhorsen That I would have preferred these degenerate fuckwits to have started losing ten years ago, if not even earlier.

 

[Darmani]

Exactly. They endlessly LARP about being "literally modern MLK" but look how they actually act, how they actually enforce their power and how they are connected in the mainstream and current power.

They were the first to go full "comply or die" in Covid. The first to demand more government control over speech to protect their positions.

Hey mlk and his sude wasn't just nuce. But he did mors thN spedchify. The bus boycott alone was a morale and ligisyics Nx community support nightmare

I suspect much mors fair weather hippies. Not civil activists

 

[Abhorsen]

@Abhorsen That I would have preferred these degenerate fuckwits to have started losing ten years ago, if not even earlier.

Um, yeah, that thankfully didn't happen (EDIT: assuming you are referring to the entire LGBT movement of the time here, not just what remains now). If the state is going to tax me less if I get a marriage registered with them, I want to be able to do that regardless of who I marry.

And it would be worse that way too. The activist class had a huge freaking machine going, that was only getting more powerful. The long it got stalled, the more relevant shit would get overrun in the meantime, and the longer it would run past where it needed to go.

Understand, if there had never been massive, crazy, discrimination of gays (mandatory lobotomies, for just one example), there would never have been gay marriage. The oppression basically created a massive blockage that had to be dealt with, as the longer it wasn't, the more other problems would be caused. Now we deal with the fallout. Eventually, this will pass as it loses steam, but adding additional hatred of gays is how you keep it going.

The radical LGBT activists and the people who honestly hate the LGBT feed off of each other, as they point to the other side to drum up support. The way to heal society is to hold out a hand to the other side, and overtime, they will assimilate.

Ways to do this include pointing out the other side is crazy, but if your solution is anathema, they'll have to default to the crazies.

 

[BlackDragon98]

Jesus Christ Google...

when the yaoi shit gets real

2 nukes were not enough, it seems

PATRIOTS CONFRONT & SHAME DRAG WEIRDOS GROOMING KIDS AT GAY BAR

glad to know there are still real Yankees out there

 

[Marduk]

Um, yeah, that thankfully didn't happen (EDIT: assuming you are referring to the entire LGBT movement of the time here, not just what remains now). If the state is going to tax me less if I get a marriage registered with them, I want to be able to do that regardless of who I marry.

And it would be worse that way too. The activist class had a huge freaking machine going, that was only getting more powerful. The long it got stalled, the more relevant shit would get overrun in the meantime, and the longer it would run past where it needed to go.

Understand, if there had never been massive, crazy, discrimination of gays (mandatory lobotomies, for just one example), there would never have been gay marriage. The oppression basically created a massive blockage that had to be dealt with, as the longer it wasn't, the more other problems would be caused. Now we deal with the fallout. Eventually, this will pass as it loses steam, but adding additional hatred of gays is how you keep it going.

The radical LGBT activists and the people who honestly hate the LGBT feed off of each other, as they point to the other side to drum up support. The way to heal society is to hold out a hand to the other side, and overtime, they will assimilate.

Ways to do this include pointing out the other side is crazy, but if your solution is anathema, they'll have to default to the crazies.

That story doesn't fit with the grand picture. Apparently no one told the other civil rights movements that they are over and this is the last one... If BLM knew that perhaps they wouldn't have caused billions of USD in damage.
What really happened is that these weakening, abandoned causes, with their activist bases, stories, and all the more and less questionable achievements, got picked up by the far left, and glued into a single movement in a framework that's usually referred to as intersectionality. Feminism, "diversity", LGBT, even lesser hanger-ons like immigration advocates and disabled rights are in on it, its all one camp now, all distinctions are increasingly cosmetic, and even that is going away, that's how you got the race LGBT flag:

And here's a simple thought experiment to show what i'm talking about:
How many LGBT groups that are anti immigration do we hear of?
How many diversity, "refugees welcome" or "racial justice" groups you can think of who are anti-LGBT?
How many major LGBT groups are not pro-abortion, which is a proxy for modern feminist activism?

 

[Abhorsen]

That story doesn't fit with the grand picture. Apparently no one told the other civil rights movements that they are over and this is the last one... If BLM knew that perhaps they wouldn't have caused billions of USD in damage.

No, it does fit. When I say the last civil rights movement, I mean that this is the last civil rights esque movement which will get broad based sustained support. And I mean sustained, not 2 years and it's now a joke. The gay rights movement lasted decades.

So my theory is there is an activist class looking for some cause to support. But the supply of worthy, popular, liberal causes is very low. And so we see people move from good cause to bad cause. But since it is a bad cause, so it doesn't see continuing support from a particular person, so they move onto the next thing. This fits the idea that they'd have massive protests for BLM, then forget about them in a year or two.

This also means the activist class are fairly ineffective at actually pushing through change as they don't focus, so the DNC instead controls what happens.

As for the bottling up, that has to do with how a sustained movement accomplishes its goals: it sets up organizations (like GLAAD and NAACP), funds them, works for them, does outreach and recruitment, and they start to snowball in power, and while they are increasing in power, they accomplish their goals. Now what? All the honest clear headed activists leave, as it's not needed any more. What's left are grifters, the crazies, and the powerhungry.

It'll take time for the LGBT movement to wind down after it hit its apex power, but this is part of it. Basically, the sooner they won, the less of a machine there would be, with less fuel.

What really happened is that these weakening, abandoned causes, with their activist bases, stories, and all the more and less questionable achievements, got picked up by the far left, and glued into a single movement in a framework that's usually referred to as intersectionality.

See, this isn't correct as to the order: the LGBT activists were always on the left in basically everything. They marched in the Feminist movements, in the civil rights movement, etc. So this isn't some new glueing, it was always there.

 

[bintananth]

The problem is what is or isn't True.

Rejection of God is paired with rejection of truth, but then we've already been over that on other threads.

You're assuming that it's both your god and your truth. Most people aren't Christians. Assuming someone shares your values is an enormous mistake.

 

[DarthOne]

You're assuming that it's both your god and your truth. Most people aren't Christians. Assuming someone shares your values is an enormous mistake.

God is the universal Truth; no matter how much people don’t want to admit it.

 

[Scottty]

This shit is gonna give the Glowies the dragons they've been hoping to slay only instead of some pansy ass Game of Thrones dude it'll be that 30 mile wingspan having motherfucker from the Silmarillion.

Ancalagon the Black. And he might bring some friends.

I'm betting on the latter

really betting on the later.

"Actually Karen, I'm here to bring you to go and see Him."

 

[bintananth]

God is the universal Truth; no matter how much people don’t want to admit it.

Devastating wars have been fought over stupid questions like which Christian mass is the correct Christian mass.

 

[Scottty]

@DarthOne and @bintananth, I think the two of you are talking past each other. Maybe not the best place for the discussion?

My $0.02 - there are moral truths common to most if not all Theistic religions, so "rejecting God" doesn't just mean not being Christian.
What this is really about is that these crazy people are not merely rejecting belief in God, they are rejecting everything that humanity has traditionally valued and believed in.

 

[Marduk]

No, it does fit. When I say the last civil rights movement, I mean that this is the last civil rights esque movement which will get broad based sustained support. And I mean sustained, not 2 years and it's now a joke. The gay rights movement lasted decades.

It's not over until the fat lady sings.
Intersectionality is already mainstream for almost a decade and shows no signs of going away. You can also see that this is an adaptation against the short attention span of the twitter generation.

So my theory is there is an activist class looking for some cause to support. But the supply of worthy, popular, liberal causes is very low. And so we see people move from good cause to bad cause. But since it is a bad cause, so it doesn't see continuing support from a particular person, so they move onto the next thing. This fits the idea that they'd have massive protests for BLM, then forget about them in a year or two.

This also means the activist class are fairly ineffective at actually pushing through change as they don't focus, so the DNC instead controls what happens.

As for the bottling up, that has to do with how a sustained movement accomplishes its goals: it sets up organizations (like GLAAD and NAACP), funds them, works for them, does outreach and recruitment, and they start to snowball in power, and while they are increasing in power, they accomplish their goals. Now what? All the honest clear headed activists leave, as it's not needed any more. What's left are grifters, the crazies, and the powerhungry.

But do they forget? Saint Floyd is still getting plenty of mentions from politicians and activists. Its BLM who is getting hushed down, and not because they forgot, but because the organization itself got into... embarrassing money grifting issues.

Running out of causes is the important point here i think. Back in the past they could push agendas platable to the average voter sitting in the middle of the Overton Window, even if sometimes they did so deceptively and pushed further than most would like. They could attack various weirdos and crazies on the other side who struggled to make a good case for themselves, as the other side struggled to find any movements to counter them and sound reasonable. But still, they could make a case for themselves to the average voter and that was their best way of getting support.

Not anymore, now their causes have grown extreme enough that only hardline leftists are truly willing to support them. For the rest, deception, social pressure and going directly with DNC shenanigans are the only way. These extreme goals are also wide and unrealistic enough that they will always have some unfulfulled demand left there basically forever.

It'll take time for the LGBT movement to wind down after it hit its apex power, but this is part of it. Basically, the sooner they won, the less of a machine there would be, with less fuel.


See, this isn't correct as to the order: the LGBT activists were always on the left in basically everything. They marched in the Feminist movements, in the civil rights movement, etc. So this isn't some new glueing, it was always there.

Of course they were always demographically left leaning. But in terms of their activism, they at minimum went far out of their way to act like an apolitical movement only concerned about their rights to appeal to the numerous voters of the widely defined political center.
Meanwhile now, pushing for new causes they can hardly hide that they are a revolutionary movement out to change the whole society, not only the activists gleefully say so, it would be hard to hide if they didn't. Even when pushed to the defensive, like with the "don't say gay bill", deception is the only thing they have left, because absolutely everyone knows that arguing for teaching children below 3rd grade about sexuality related matters is not going fly well with the "wider audience" and there is no escaping that, even though in the long run they absolutely would want to with their revolution.

 

[Abhorsen]

It's not over until the fat lady sings.
Intersectionality is already mainstream for almost a decade and shows no signs of going away. You can also see that this is an adaptation against the short attention span of the twitter generation.

Intersectionality isn't a movement though. It's just a way people try to link movements. Seriously, what leftist movement has actually lasted a couple of years recently?

[the middle part we mostly agree on, so I'm not commenting on that]

Of course they were always demographically left leaning. But in terms of their activism, they at minimum went far out of their way to act like an apolitical movement only concerned about their rights to appeal to the numerous voters of the widely defined political center.

No, they didn't. They absolutely did not. They repeatedly spent time supporting other leftist causes, and later complained about the lack of reciprocity. And pretending to care about only gay rights would have done jack shit, as if they were quiet, they'd be ignored, hence why pride parades were designed to be so loud and in your face.

 

[Marduk]

Intersectionality isn't a movement though. It's just a way people try to link movements. Seriously, what leftist movement has actually lasted a couple of years recently?

[the middle part we mostly agree on, so I'm not commenting on that]

That's the thing, it *is* one movement. Its the same people, the same representatives, the same organizations, the same core voter base, and the same ideology. Many of the legacy activist organizations that were single cause confuse people in the regard, but that's just old relics, even ADL now shills for open borders and LGBT, even though theoretically they are about antisemitism.
Every now and then, especially after controversies big in mainstream media, one of the component ideologies comes to the forefront, and fades back into the crowds after a few weeks, months or even years in case of something big, usually just to free the spotlight for a different component and to freshen up the interest of the twitter generation's fading attention, but that doesn't mean they disappear, or are an independent movement capable of forming a different opinion on matters of interest to the rest of intersectional horde.

No, they didn't. They absolutely did not. They repeatedly spent time supporting other leftist causes, and later complained about the lack of reciprocity. And pretending to care about only gay rights would have done jack shit, as if they were quiet, they'd be ignored, hence why pride parades were designed to be so loud and in your face.

Other "civil rights" causes at least on the surface being apolitical too, certainly. Openly, in your face left wing, that's new.
Photos from first pride parade:

The first gay pride parades | CNN

New York City was the site of the nation’s first gay pride parade on June 28, 1970. A few other cities also held marches that year.

edition.cnn.com

That's *seriously* toned down compared to modern ones. If you edited the signs and said its conservatives and libertarians marching for free speech, it would be entirely plausible.
Note that all the signs are directly related to LGBT, good luck finding something else.

 

[bintananth]

Seriously, what leftist movement has actually lasted a couple of years recently?

The anti-slavery movement and ending the slave trade is one I can think of which lasts to this day.

 

[DarthOne]

Um, yeah, that thankfully didn't happen (EDIT: assuming you are referring to the entire LGBT movement of the time here, not just what remains now). If the state is going to tax me less if I get a marriage registered with them, I want to be able to do that regardless of who I marry.

Yes and no. As someone who's an aspiring Orthodox Christian, I can't say I'm the biggest fan of the LBGT rights movement overall.

HOWEVER, if it had stopped at say, LGBT relationships being legalized (I don't consider it 'marriage') in a way that didn't force churches to participate, that didn't give LGBT's any special privileges like the degeneracy we see now, I would have been fine with it. In short, as long as you lot were willing to act and dress like civilized humans, I could have cared less about what LGBT people did.

I do think the whole Pride Month and parades were something of a mistake. Mostly for the same reason I sort of think Black History month is a mistake.



Now I'm pretty sure that most LGBT people don't agree with the disgusting degeneracy we've been seeing as of late. But since none of you seem to be speaking up against it, it does not send a good message.

As an aside, on the subject of LGBT people getting tax breaks for getting 'married', I'd have to look more into why those tax breaks existed in the first place. (As I assume it was so it would be easier for married couples to raise children.)

And it would be worse that way too. The activist class had a huge freaking machine going, that was only getting more powerful. The long it got stalled, the more relevant shit would get overrun in the meantime, and the longer it would run past where it needed to go.

Understand, if there had never been massive, crazy, discrimination of gays (mandatory lobotomies, for just one example), there would never have been gay marriage. The oppression basically created a massive blockage that had to be dealt with, as the longer it wasn't, the more other problems would be caused. Now we deal with the fallout. Eventually, this will pass as it loses steam, but adding additional hatred of gays is how you keep it going.

The radical LGBT activists and the people who honestly hate the LGBT feed off of each other, as they point to the other side to drum up support. The way to heal society is to hold out a hand to the other side, and overtime, they will assimilate.

Ways to do this include pointing out the other side is crazy, but if your solution is anathema, they'll have to default to the crazies.

I disagree. I think it came from elements who were with the LGBT community even at the beginning. One only has to cast an eye toward Alfred Kinsey and that one fellow whose name escapes me at the moment. His last name was Money or something similar, did trangender experimentation on a pair of twins or something?