Klaus Schwab and the World Economic Forum

[Morphic Tide]

The worst part is that there is a very real form of exactly this, as many regions do engage in ridiculous overproduction of food that's resulting in declining soil quality and erosion. To say nothing of the consequences of the runoff.

But no, all environmental issues have to be about "Climate Change", no matter how poorly-grounded or demonstrably outright false.

 

[StormEagle]

The worst part is that there is a very real form of exactly this, as many regions do engage in ridiculous overproduction of food that's resulting in declining soil quality and erosion. To say nothing of the consequences of the runoff.

But no, all environmental issues have to be about "Climate Change", no matter how poorly-grounded or demonstrably outright false.

The sad thing is, I like to consider myself an environmentalist/conservationist at heart. I love the outdoors, don’t really like seeing it paved over or poisoned, and would like to see certain species preserved.

But the very real issues in how we treat our environment (soil erosion, fertilizer runoff, overuse of pesticides leading to collapsing insect populations, landfills, plastic patches in the oceans, CAFO runoff etc.. ) get ignored in favor of the climate change boogeyman.

And because of that, stupid and outright detrimental policies are implemented. Instead of pursuing practical solutions and laws, we waste time on boondoggles like “renewable” energy or quibble about plastic straws.

The modern environmental movement is endlessly moronic and frustrating.

 

[Vyor]

The modern environmental movement is endlessly moronic and frustrating.

Intentionally so thanks to the people holding the purses.

 

[Iconoclast]

I had to read it a couple of times.
At first I read
> We will cut down farming
> People will starve
> Deal with it

But no... instead it is so much dumber.
> The only way to avoid starving is have less food

Just, what the actual fuck.

These people unironically claim that we are in "ecological overshoot", and that if we don't cut back on our current agricultural practices, then the food supply will completely collapse, if not from peak natural gas cutting off synthetic fertilizer, then from aquifer depletion or soil erosion. The people claiming that we need to cut back on farming or cut out meat consumption view themselves as longtermists; a little starvation now to avoid massive starvation later.

I'm not even exaggerating. That's literally what they believe:

The cruel fantasies of well-fed people

The astonishing story of how a movement’s quest for rural simplicity drifted into a formula for mass death.

theecologist.org

 

[Marduk]

These people unironically claim that we are in "ecological overshoot", and that if we don't cut back on our current agricultural practices, then the food supply will completely collapse, if not from peak natural gas cutting off synthetic fertilizer, then from aquifer depletion or soil erosion. The people claiming that we need to cut back on farming or cut out meat consumption view themselves as longtermists; a little starvation now to avoid massive starvation later.

I'm not even exaggerating. That's literally what they believe:

The cruel fantasies of well-fed people

The astonishing story of how a movement’s quest for rural simplicity drifted into a formula for mass death.

theecologist.org

If so, they or their philosophical descendants are bound to end up at gunpoint.
I don't know when, or who will be holding the gun.
But when rubber meets the road there is no grand *we* in world politics, and we know exactly what sort of idiot idealists believe otherwise.
One could make an argument that some countries are.
But the royal *we*?
No, not really. Most countries do not see it this way. China, Russia, India and the like would certainly disagree. Some others are more than fine food supply wise and their agricultural production records state they understand such matters better than some ridiculous green-red doomsayers.
Eventually either more people will tell them to take their bullshit to China, more people will do to them what China would if they took their bullshit there, or China will be the only industrial power left standing.
Besides, they have some regional experience with ideas along the lines of trying to run countries on collectivist, simple rural agriculture by force, and they know the consequences.

They are idiots, it's that simple. Delusional ideologues believing in things so divorced from reality that they that take a lot of education and sheltered life of comforting bubble to entertain. Useful or useless, that's the important question.
Useful to who?
As someone put it already a long time ago, why is there no "climate movement" in China?
Because China is already communist.

 

[Morphic Tide]

These people unironically claim that we are in "ecological overshoot", and that if we don't cut back on our current agricultural practices, then the food supply will completely collapse

Technically true as meaningfully-scarce resources are commonplace.

from peak natural gas cutting off synthetic fertilizer

Thoroughly undefinable due to the nature of prospecting and production establishment.

from aquifer depletion

Definitely a problem in some areas, but mostly about water-hungry "trendy" crops.

soil erosion

There's an area in Europe with rather sizable gorges caused by deforestation within written history, and the Dustbowl was quite the wonder. This one's a real problem, though is less a matter of production rate and more a question of maintaining rootstock.

The people claiming that we need to cut back on farming or cut out meat consumption view themselves as longtermists; a little starvation now to avoid massive starvation later.

Again, there is actually quite a lot to be done to get farming working in the long term, the problem is that they suffer from terminal Dunning-Kreuger syndrome and thus cannot conceive of the problem being separate from the Watermelon brain-worms. Food supply problems aren't a production issue, they're a transportation one. You don't solve world hunger by sending food aid, you solve it by sending farming aid to by hook or by crook force them to get food produced locally.

But then if you did that, you'd have to fire legions of middle management and browbeat South Africa and Zimbabwe for confiscating land from "colonizers" who understand what the hell they're doing, and most assuredly enact truly spectacular protectionist policies to keep it that way. To say nothing of the foreign policy lures being discarded in the process!

 

[Cherico]

I had to read it a couple of times.
At first I read
> We will cut down farming
> People will starve
> Deal with it

But no... instead it is so much dumber.
> The only way to avoid starving is have less food

Just, what the actual fuck.

Modern environmentalism is a cult.

The end point of modernity the thing we are in is a time of cults, same thing happened in late modern rome except you know their cults were actually fun. Ours not so much.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Modern environmentalism is a cult.

The end point of modernity the thing we are in is a time of cults, same thing happened in late modern rome except you know their cults were actually fun. Ours not so much.

Give me the Mithraic mysteries over this bullshit any day.

 

[DarthOne]

Modern environmentalism is a cult.

The end point of modernity the thing we are in is a time of cults, same thing happened in late modern rome except you know their cults were actually fun. Ours not so much.

Burn them all.

 

[Iconoclast]

If so, they or their philosophical descendants are bound to end up at gunpoint.
I don't know when, or who will be holding the gun.
But when rubber meets the road there is no grand *we* in world politics, and we know exactly what sort of idiot idealists believe otherwise.
One could make an argument that some countries are.
But the royal *we*?
No, not really. Most countries do not see it this way. China, Russia, India and the like would certainly disagree. Some others are more than fine food supply wise and their agricultural production records state they understand such matters better than some ridiculous green-red doomsayers.
Eventually either more people will tell them to take their bullshit to China, more people will do to them what China would if they took their bullshit there, or China will be the only industrial power left standing.
Besides, they have some regional experience with ideas along the lines of trying to run countries on collectivist, simple rural agriculture by force, and they know the consequences.

They are idiots, it's that simple. Delusional ideologues believing in things so divorced from reality that they that take a lot of education and sheltered life of comforting bubble to entertain. Useful or useless, that's the important question.
Useful to who?
As someone put it already a long time ago, why is there no "climate movement" in China?
Because China is already communist.

Technically true as meaningfully-scarce resources are commonplace.


Thoroughly undefinable due to the nature of prospecting and production establishment.


Definitely a problem in some areas, but mostly about water-hungry "trendy" crops.


There's an area in Europe with rather sizable gorges caused by deforestation within written history, and the Dustbowl was quite the wonder. This one's a real problem, though is less a matter of production rate and more a question of maintaining rootstock.


Again, there is actually quite a lot to be done to get farming working in the long term, the problem is that they suffer from terminal Dunning-Kreuger syndrome and thus cannot conceive of the problem being separate from the Watermelon brain-worms. Food supply problems aren't a production issue, they're a transportation one. You don't solve world hunger by sending food aid, you solve it by sending farming aid to by hook or by crook force them to get food produced locally.

But then if you did that, you'd have to fire legions of middle management and browbeat South Africa and Zimbabwe for confiscating land from "colonizers" who understand what the hell they're doing, and most assuredly enact truly spectacular protectionist policies to keep it that way. To say nothing of the foreign policy lures being discarded in the process!

This is what watermelons actually believe:

 

[DarthOne]

This is what watermelons actually believe:

And these idiots get thousands of people liking their videos. For the love of God…

 

[mrttao]

And these idiots get thousands of people liking their videos. For the love of God…

There is a reason youtube removed the downvote button

 

[DarthOne]

There is a reason youtube removed the downvote button

I have a plug in on my browser that lets me see the downvotes. Unless they've been re-set, most of these videos don't have many when compared to the upvotes.

 

[mrttao]

I have a plug in on my browser that lets me see the downvotes. Unless they've been re-set, most of these videos don't have many when compared to the upvotes.

Having the downvotes removed though disincentivised people from downvoting.
Also, there is some selection bias going on. where people watch channels that specifically cater to them by and large

 

[Cherico]

Burn them all.

You will get your wish but its going to be decades from now.

 

[Vyor]

This is what watermelons actually believe:

Most of those vids aren't even environmentalism.

Yes.Even now one good soldier with good rifle would kill him,becouse idiot is not using helmet.
Not mention modern artillery with thermobaric warheads - orks need to breathe to live,after all.

Ok, you fire a .50 cal bullet and it bounces off his skull.

What do?

And no, orks don't actually need to breath.

 

[StormEagle]

… What does the durability of orks have to do with *checks thread title*… Klaus Schwab and WEF?

Unless they’re actually making mushroom, football hooligan, super soldiers in Klaus’ underground doomsday bunker in the Swiss Alps, I think it’s rather off topic.

 

[DarthOne]

You will get your wish but its going to be decades from now.

You forget that everything happens fast these days. I don't think tis going to take decades. At most it will be some point around the 2030's.

 

[Cherico]

You forget that everything happens fast these days. I don't think tis going to take decades. At most it will be some point around the 2030's.

honestly hope your right.

 

[DarthOne]

honestly hope your right.

So do I.