Klaus Schwab and the World Economic Forum

[Typhonis]

The behavior of Harari suggests that it should be considered as untermensch, since that creature has already declared the useless class as untermenschen.

As I said before...watch the Twilight Zone episode the Obsolete Man.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Its always the useful idiots who think they can't be replaced.

Did you catch his attempt to repress that smirk? This man is vapid and evil and would be fed to the machine the moment his utility expires.

 

[Bassoe]

The problem remains that he's arguably right. Not about himself and his buddies being irreplaceable and worthy of survival while we aren't, but about human obsolesce.

Our system as we know it cannot survive a significant percentage, much less the majority, of the population becoming economically redundant thanks to zero-sum competition with automation.

Either:

• Keep capitalism, but have a Butlerian Jihad. Certain technologies which threaten human employability as a whole are outlawed as is their ownership and sale and the nation's economy is forcibly cut off from foreigners who don't do likewise since it can't compete on equal terms.
• BGI neofeudalism. Everyone is theoretically entitled to a stipend from the robots, but in reality, society is ruled by a cabal of oligarchs who own the robots, give themselves a vastly disproportionate share of the robotically produced bounty and cut off anyone who disobeys them.
• Abolish the economically redundant humans. Potential forms of genocide might be starting a war with the oligarchy of another nation having the same problem to conscript the economically redundant former working classes into a meatgrinder, pricing them else out of accessing civilization and having robotic security forces defend their masters until the obsolete poors all starved in the streets or just the future war from terminator.
• Common ownership of the robots. Not in the sense of a BGI, that's too exploitable, but by giving every citizen their own von neumann autofactory.

Or alternatively, the AI Apocalypticism crowd, both the rich ones planning the enslavement or genocide of the rest of humanity and poor ones fearing it might just be another doomsday cult who'll get proven wrong when certain technologies reach their limits and aren't as capable as they were thought to be. The fermi paradox supports this assumption given how easy it'd be for even a small faction of a post-scarcity civilization to colonize the whole galaxy and the apparent absence of aliens.

 

[DarthOne]

The Butlerian Jihad option has my vote. For various reasons; mostly because it’s the hardest to mess up and least likely to result in government bullshit.

 

[Terthna]

The Butlerian Jihad option has my vote. For various reasons; mostly because it’s the hardest to mess up and least likely to result in government bullshit.

Over my dead body, you Luddite lunatic; which is exactly why any attempt at a Butlerian Jihad in real life is destined to fail. It only worked in Dune because all of humanity united as one to make it happen; that's not going to happen here.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

The Butlerian Jihad option has my vote. For various reasons; mostly because it’s the hardest to mess up and least likely to result in government bullshit.

Amen, I would also add "the immediate use of nuclear weapons upon any nation that develops sophisticated AI." as the only international treaty.

Big banks = proscribed.

Userors use AI...they gotta submit or be liquidated.

 

[Terthna]

Amen, I would also add "the immediate use of nuclear weapons upon any nation that develops sophisticated AI." as the only international treaty.

Big banks = proscribed.

Userors use AI...they gotta submit or be liquidated.

Nobody respects the threat of nuclear weapons now; what makes you think they'd be able to use it to discourage people from developing sophisticated AI? Heck; what makes you think the people with the nukes won't just develop AI anyways, because mutually assured destruction? And even if anyone were willing to carry out the threat against someone who could retaliate; congratulations! Everyone is dead, and the cockroaches inherit the Earth.

 

[Bassoe]

Jon Stokes explains the problem here, insofar as what it'd actually take to stop AI. Spoiler, a global dictatorship with unprecedented surveillance and banning civilian ownership of computers. And even that wouldn't necessarily work insofar as there'd be nothing stopping the dictatorship themselves from developing AI.

Here’s What It Would Take To Slow or Stop AI

Everyone should be clear about what they're asking for when they propose to put a stop to all this.

www.jonstokes.com

 

[Terthna]

I think something needs to be made clear to those seriously considering a "Butlerian Jihad" as a response to automation; you are just straight up saying that you want to go full Pol Pot and murder me, as well as millions of other people because you think that'll save you from the Terminators. Or simply let you keep your jobs from becoming obsolete; either way, do not expect me to just lay down and die for you, or pitch in to help you with your attempt at genocide. If it comes down to it, assuming they don't decide a "Butlerian Jihad" is in their best interest, I will side with the establishment against you on this; so don't force me to make that choice.

 

[DarthOne]

I think something needs to be made clear to those seriously considering a "Butlerian Jihad" as a response to automation; you are just straight up saying that you want to go full Pol Pot and murder me, as well as millions of other people because you think that'll save you from the Terminators. Or simply let you keep your jobs from becoming obsolete; either way, do not expect me to just lay down and die for you, or pitch in to help you with your attempt at genocide. If it comes down to it, assuming they don't decide a "Butlerian Jihad" is in their best interest, I will side with the establishment against you on this; so don't force me to make that choice.

What job are you in?

 

[DarthOne]

Jon Stokes explains the problem here, insofar as what it'd actually take to stop AI. Spoiler, a global dictatorship with unprecedented surveillance and banning civilian ownership of computers. And even that wouldn't necessarily work insofar as there'd be nothing stopping the dictatorship themselves from developing AI.

Here’s What It Would Take To Slow or Stop AI

Everyone should be clear about what they're asking for when they propose to put a stop to all this.

www.jonstokes.com

As opposed to what? Being the carbon/ ‘unless people’ they and their puppets in governments across the world wish to reduce ?

 

[DarthOne]

Nobody respects the threat of nuclear weapons now; what makes you think they'd be able to use it to discourage people from developing sophisticated AI? Heck; what makes you think the people with the nukes won't just develop AI anyways, because mutually assured destruction? And even if anyone were willing to carry out the threat against someone who could retaliate; congratulations! Everyone is dead, and the cockroaches inherit the Earth.

Which is why the NATO (in reality the globalist cabal) is marching into Moscow right now- OH WAIT.

 

[Bassoe]

I don't necessarily think a Butlerian Jihad is a necessarily a good idea, just that it's a probable response to the majority of the human race being told their continued existence is economically unsustainable so pls die.

 

[DarthOne]

I don't necessarily think a Butlerian Jihad is a necessarily a good idea, just that it's a probable response to the majority of the human race being told their continued existence is economically unsustainable so pls die.

Exactly. Way I see it, it’s the least bad of all the possible options. Especially given human nature- in more ways than one.

 

[Bassoe]

But it's not the least bad option, insofar as it also requires a global dictatorship and massive downgrade of living standards/accessibility of technology to enforce and doesn't even necessarily solve the problem.

 

[DarthOne]

But it's not the least bad option, insofar as it also requires a global dictatorship and massive downgrade of living standards/accessibility of technology to enforce and doesn't even necessarily solve the problem.

As opposed to those things likely happening anyway, and worse on top of it. Also, I disagree with the assertion that we’ll need a tyrannical government to pull it off. Then again, it’s not like we’re not already living in a surveillance state.

 

[Terthna]

Which is why the NATO (in reality the globalist cabal) is marching into Moscow right now- OH WAIT.

You're assuming they actually want to do that, instead of let the Russians bleed themselves dry in Ukraine; but let's not start another Ukraine invasion derail, okay?

Exactly. Way I see it, it’s the least bad of all the possible options. Especially given human nature- in more ways than one.

And I don't believe you actually understand what a Butlerian Jihad would actually entail; anymore than the average regressive leftist understands what an actual communist revolution would entail.

 

[DarthOne]

You're assuming they actually want to do that, instead of let the Russians bleed themselves dry in Ukraine; but let's not start another Ukraine invasion derail, okay?


And I don't believe you actually understand what a Butlerian Jihad would actually entail; anymore than the average regressive leftist understands what an actual communist revolution would entail.

What does communism have to do with any of this? If anything, throttling AI development in its bed will protect capitalism.

 

[Terthna]

What does communism have to do with any of this? If anything, throttling AI development in its bed will protect capitalism.

Very little, except as a comparison to illustrate that you do not understand what you are advocating for.

 

[Urabrask Revealed]

Throttling AI research is foolish because other nations will not do that.