Klaus Schwab and the World Economic Forum

[mrttao]

You keep failing to demonstrate any commonality of the intermediate step that this is actually the case to join "it's always payed for with taxes" to "therefor corporate management is stealing it".

goalpost shift

You literally said I was contradicting myself.
NOT that you disagree with my premise about it being taxpayer funded.

So I explained how I was not contradicting myself.
Because THAT was what you explicitly called into question.

I am done with your idiocy. you wasted enough of my time.

 

[mrttao]

I don't think anybody has denied this. But again, some projects you simply cannot do this because "having competition" would in fact prevent a system from functioning at all.

Yes. we are in agreement.

That line was not trying to contradict anyone.
Rather I was explaining WHY private companies are not as badly managed as govt.
So I could point out that this does not apply to what we were actually talking about.

Which are "private-public companies". which are company which is actually a state mandated monopoly, half owned by the govt and half owned by an oligarch. and is fully financed by taxpayer funds

my argument is thus:
if you take a govt department, say it identifies as a "private" company. and hand pick an oligarch to own half of it. It will NOT magically receive the benefits a real private company gets.

 

[Aldarion]

Yes. we are in agreement.

That line was not trying to contradict anyone.
Rather I was explaining WHY private companies are not as badly managed as govt.
So I could point out that this does not apply to what we were actually talking about.

Which are "private-public companies". which are company which is actually a state mandated monopoly, half owned by the govt and half owned by an oligarch. and is fully financed by taxpayer funds

my argument is thus:
if you take a govt department, say it identifies as a "private" company. and hand pick an oligarch to own half of it. It will NOT magically receive the benefits a real private company gets.

Yep. Basically you get disadvantages of both and benefits of neither.

 

[Vyor]

Imagine being someone so up their own ass about an opinion that they refuse to acknowledge that well water exists.

And privately owned desalination plants.

And fucking rain.

 

[Marduk]

You are living in a fantasy world where "water farmers" produce water.

Yes, in some people where people want to live this absolutely is the case. Someone has to either transport potable water there (be it by pipe or by a vehicle) or process locally available but somehow contaminated water, and in either case it is a service that costs money.
Of course there are also places where one can just dig a well and have as much clean enough water as they are willing to pump themselves, but that doesn't make it a human right, as in some places doing the very same thing will get you nothing or poison, because nature, water tables and geological formations doesn't give a fuck about your so called human rights.

In reality, especially in 2025. Water is always produced by the govt in massive projects funded by taxpayer.

Perhaps you have not heard of the so called third world...

Then oligarch corpo thieves bribe politiacians to let them steal that water, and sell it to the customer at a massive markup due to artificial scarcity.

zero people need to be enslaved. because water is not produced by private individuals or corporations.

<citation needed>

 

[mrttao]

Yes, in some people where people want to live this absolutely is the case. Someone has to either transport potable water there (be it by pipe or by a vehicle) or process locally available but somehow contaminated water, and in either case it is a service that costs money.
Of course there are also places where one can just dig a well and have as much clean enough water as they are willing to pump themselves, but that doesn't make it a human right, as in some places doing the very same thing will get you nothing or poison, because nature, water tables and geological formations doesn't give a fuck about your so called human rights.

facepalm.
a "food farmer" is someone who produces and sells food to the public.
a "water farmer" is someone who produces and sells water to the public.

Drilling a well for personal use != water farmer.

Perhaps you have not heard of the so called third world...

perhaps you have not heard of foreign aid.
the third world is the third world because of all the rampant thieving done by their polytickians.

<citation needed>

Tit for tat.
I will start by citing an example where the water facilities were built by taxpayer then stolen by oligarchs and polytickians.

You will then cite one single example where a private company built, by itself without taxpayer funds, a water treatment facility which sells water to the public.

And we will do a back and forth on that.

here is my first citation

Taxpayers fund water systems for cali.
Secret meetings and bribed politicians later and the govt sells all to some billionaire couple.
Lots of corruption, lots of misappropriate and theft of public resources into private hands.

loosened restriction on "paper water". which is water those companies own but is fictitious, there is no actual water. in actuality less than 1/5th of the water was real

Also fun fact. "Fiji" water is actually just california municipal water in a bottle. That was created by taxpayer funds then stolen from the public thanks to bribes.

 

[Marduk]

facepalm.
a "food farmer" is someone who produces and sells food to the public.
a "water farmer" is someone who produces and sells water to the public.

Drilling a well for personal use != water farmer.

If someone was willing to pay for water from that well in easy transport distance, he would become a "water farmer" very fast.
Unfortunately most of the public prefers buying water from a normal water company.

perhaps you have not heard of foreign aid.
the third world is the third world because of all the rampant thieving done by their polytickians.

Take that to your woke college teacher bent on excusing third world sociocultural dysfunction.

Tit for tat.
I will start by citing an example where the water facilities were built by taxpayer then stolen by oligarchs and polytickians.

I will not recognize "sold" as "stolen".

You will then cite one single example where a private company built, by itself without taxpayer funds, a water treatment facility which sells water to the public.

Who said that the treatment facilities are the important part? As i mentioned, some places have clean enough water, but the infrastructure to move it around, as in the pipes and expensive pumps that pressurize the water in them is just as important.

And we will do a back and forth on that.

here is my first citation

Also fun fact. "Fiji" water is actually just california municipal water in a bottle. That was created by taxpayer funds then stolen from the public thanks to bribes.

Citation needed that it was stolen. Also i don't think California is chemically creating water from taxpayer funds.
Also i have no time to give views to shitty leftist propaganda videos.

More Perfect Union (media organization) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

>More Perfect Union is a progressive non-profit news media organization founded in February 2021 by Faiz Shakir.
>More Perfect Union says it receives funding from various donors, including from George Soros' Open Society Foundations, but does not take money from labor unions.[1]

Even the fact checkers say they are full of shit:

No, one couple doesn't own almost all California's water

As wildfires raged in Southern California, social media posts speculated over who or what was to blame. One persistent c

www.politifact.com

My first 50 citations:

The Water Network | by AquaSPE

thewaternetwork.com

 

[mrttao]

Also fun fact. "Fiji" water is actually just california municipal water in a bottle. That was created by taxpayer funds then stolen from the public thanks to bribes.

Huh... wait a minute.

Somehow throughout the debate until now, it never occured to me to remember that bottled water exists. I was honestly thinking about tap water that is piped to you. and you pay a fee based on how much you use.

since bottled water is a luxury good. there might actually be some low capacity spring or another that was fully developed by a private corporation without stealing from the public.

hmm... let me look into bottled water real quick.

fiji = stolen from california taxpayer as mentioned earlier
dasani = municapal water
pure life = municipal water
aquafina = municipal water
open water = municipal water
penta water = all I can find is that it uses a patented 13 step purification process. hard to find actually where they source the water from before that.

arrowhead = oh fucking finally. actual spring water instead of just bottled municipal water...
... let me search for them and... oh

California orders bottled water company to stop 'unauthorized' piping from springs

California regulators have ordered the company that sells Arrowhead bottled water to stop taking much of the water it pipes from a national forest.

www.latimes.com

lol. LITERALLY stealing it from publically owned springs

 

[mrttao]

Also i have no time to give views to shitty leftist propaganda videos.

> Leftist propaganda video

The video is literally condemning the lefty democrat govt of california for taking bribes to help a billionaire lefty couiple steal the taxpayer water in commiefornia.

Literally explicitly naming the couple as close family friends of
Dianne Feinstein (democrat senator for commiefornia from 1992 until her death in 2023)
and some of her bigger financial supporters.

I will not recognize "sold" as "stolen".

Then you are a retard.

If a politician is bribed to "sell" public infracture to a specific individual in a no bid contract for a fraction of its worth to a family friend. then it is being stolen.

This wasn't an auction.

 

[Marduk]

> Leftist propaganda video

The video is literally condemning the lefty democrat govt of california for taking bribes to help a billionaire lefty couiple steal the taxpayer water in commiefornia.

So? Even a century ago leftists used to send assassins to other continents to smash another leftist in the head with an ice axe. Just because someone attacks leftists doesn't mean it's not a bigger leftist.

Literally explicitly naming the couple as close family friends of
Dianne Feinstein (democrat senator for commiefornia from 1992 until her death in 2023)
and some of her bigger financial supporters.

Then you are a retard.

If a politician is bribed to "sell" public infracture to a specific individual in a no bid contract for a fraction of its worth to a family friend. then it is being stolen.

This wasn't an auction.

Yet it is a legally valid contract, not theft. If the government mismanages own resources, they can be sued or voted out. Yet somehow in California they won't do that.

 

[mrttao]

Yet it is a legally valid contract, not theft. If the government mismanages own resources, they can be sued or voted out. Yet somehow in California they won't do that.

It is funny how you complain about democrats and soros and lefty propaganda.

Yet you literally argue that Soros (which you explicitly name as a source of misinformation) did nothing wrong because he always bribes democrat polytickians. So it is all the voter's fault for not voting out those bribe taking polytickians.

I think you are being incredibly stupid right now.
If person X literally bribes a polytickian, and then the two of them together steal taxpayer property. Then they are thieves. No, it is not "just a sale".

In fact, the law agrees with me.

It is explicitly a crime and carries a penalty of up to a fine of 3x the amount stolen and/or up to 15 years in prison.
Fun fact, the 3x fine is standard legal penalty for theft.

> 18 U.S. Code Chapter 11 Part I - BRIBERY, GRAFT, AND CONFLICTS OF INTEREST

18 U.S. Code Chapter 11 Part I - BRIBERY, GRAFT, AND CONFLICTS OF INTEREST

www.law.cornell.edu

(b)Whoever—
(1)directly or indirectly, corruptly gives, offers or promises anything of value to any public official or person who has been selected to be a public official, or offers or promises any public official or any person who has been selected to be a public official to give anything of value to any other person or entity, with intent—
(A)to influence any official act; or
(B)to influence such public official or person who has been selected to be a public official to commit or aid in committing, or collude in, or allow, any fraud, or make opportunity for the commission of any fraud, on the United States; or
(C)to induce such public official or such person who has been selected to be a public official to do or omit to do any act in violation of the lawful duty of such official or person;

(2)being a public official or person selected to be a public official, directly or indirectly, corruptly demands, seeks, receives, accepts, or agrees to receive or accept anything of value personally or for any other person or entity, in return for:
(A)being influenced in the performance of any official act;
(B)being influenced to commit or aid in committing, or to collude in, or allow, any fraud, or make opportunity for the commission of any fraud, on the United States; or
(C)being induced to do or omit to do any act in violation of the official duty of such official or person;

shall be fined under this title or not more than three times the monetary equivalent of the thing of value, whichever is greater, or imprisoned for not more than fifteen years, or both, and may be disqualified from holding any office of honor, trust, or profit under the United States.

 

[Marduk]

It is funny how you complain about democrats and soros and lefty propaganda.

Yet you literally argue that Soros (which you explicitly name as a source of misinformation) did nothing wrong because he always bribes democrat polytickians. So it is all the voter's fault for not voting out those bribe taking polytickians.

I think you are being incredibly stupid right now.
If person X literally bribes a polytickian, and then the two of them together steal taxpayer property. Then they are thieves. No, it is not "just a sale".

In fact, the law agrees with me.

It is explicitly a crime and carries a penalty of up to a fine of 3x the amount stolen and/or up to 15 years in prison.
Fun fact, the 3x fine is standard legal penalty for theft.

> 18 U.S. Code Chapter 11 Part I - BRIBERY, GRAFT, AND CONFLICTS OF INTEREST

18 U.S. Code Chapter 11 Part I - BRIBERY, GRAFT, AND CONFLICTS OF INTEREST

www.law.cornell.edu

And for that you need to actually prove there was a bribe.

 

[mrttao]

And for that you need to actually prove there was a bribe.

I love how the goalposts keep on shifting.

You LITERALLY quoted me saying there is a bribe
Your response was not "prove there was a bribe".
No, your response was that "it isn't theft".

So I proved to you that it is theft with quotes of the law where it is says it is in fact against the law to bribe a senator in exchange for him "selling" public property to you in a no bid contract at a fraction of its value.
So now suddenly the goalpost shifts from "prove it is illegal" to "prove it happened"

Unfortunately, I do not have the ability to conduct a police raid on these democrats.
We know that they are somehow making 10s of millions of dollars on a 150k to 250k $ a year salary.
We know they had a closed door meeting with their political donors. After which they suddenly decided to take public property that cost the taxpayer hundreds of millions of dollars and "sell" it at a fraction of that to said donors.

Any sane human being can tell there was a bribe here.
But to actually prove it will require executing a search warrant. Which I do not have.

However, the fact you insist on that level of rigour shows you are dishonest in your debate on the subject

 

[Marduk]

I love how the goalposts keep on shifting.

No one gives a fuck about your imaginary, non agreed upon goalposts.

You LITERALLY quoted me saying there is a bribe
Your response was not "prove there was a bribe".
No, your response was that "it isn't theft".

So I proved to you that it is theft with quotes of the law where it is says it is in fact against the law to bribe a senator in exchange for him "selling" public property to you in a no bid contract at a fraction of its value.
So now suddenly the goalpost shifts from "prove it is illegal" to "prove it happened"

Well if it can't be proven it happened to the standards determined by law its technically not illegal.

Unfortunately, I do not have the ability to conduct a police raid on these democrats.
We know that they are somehow making 10s of millions of dollars on a 150k to 250k $ a year salary.
We know they had a closed door meeting with their political donors. After which they suddenly decided to take public property that cost the taxpayer hundreds of millions of dollars and "sell" it at a fraction of that to said donors.

Any sane human being can tell there was a bribe here.
But to actually prove it will require executing a search warrant. Which I do not have.

However, the fact you insist on that level of rigour shows you are dishonest in your debate on the subject

I'll very honestly say that i don't fucking care about your personal pet theories about these matters.

 

[mrttao]

Well if it can't be proven it happened to the standards determined by law its technically not illegal.

It can be proven. Just not by ME and YOU.
We are not FBI agents, judges, and parts of the legal system.

I'll very honestly say that i don't fucking care about your personal pet theories about these matters.

I will honestly say you have proven yourself to be a brainless retard.

 

[Marduk]

It can be proven. Just not by ME and YOU.
We are not FBI agents, judges, and parts of the legal system.

https://tips.fbi.gov/

There. Have at it, smartass.

I will honestly say you have proven yourself to be a brainless retard.

And i will honestly say that you have proven yourself a bullshit peddler with delusions of grandeur who demands other believe in his moronic verbal diarrhea just because of his arrogant self-confidence in it.

 

[Flintsteel]

In reality, especially in 2025. Water is always produced by the govt in massive projects funded by taxpayer.

Water is managed, controlled, and distributed by the govt at taxpayer expense.

(premise) 1: I hold it is observeable fact:
literally every water facility on earth is funded by the taxpayer.

This is wrong. I thought of actually trying to refute you point-by-point as someone who actually works in the industry, but you're too much of an opinionated idiot to be worth it. Suffice to say you're wrong, and generalizing individual examples and assuming the entire industry is that way.

and expensive pumps that pressurize the water in them

Actually, very few systems use pumps for pressure. Running pumps costs money. Better to pump water into an elevated storage tank and let gravity do the work for you (in this case, gravity is indeed free!), then your pumps run a lot less (maintaining system pressure is half the reason for tanks).

 

[mrttao]

This is wrong. I thought of actually trying to refute you point-by-point as someone who actually works in the industry, but you're too much of an opinionated idiot to be worth it. Suffice to say you're wrong, and generalizing individual examples and assuming the entire industry is that way.

> You are such an opinionated idiot that I got shocked into being incapable of coming up with even 1 single specific example of a private corporation building a water treatment facility from scratch without taxpayer funds.
> Not even one example.
> But trust me bro, it happens!
> I work in the industry. you see.

sure you do bub.
I am sure you happen to work as a water engineer who coincidentally just so happens in a private waterworks that just so happens to be this elusive purely privately funded waterworks. and you just so happen to be privvy to the exact ways in which the company you work for is financed.

/sarcasm

 

[Dauerschriff]

Issue is that private-owned companies generally operate better than the government-owned companies because well, they have to in order to turn profit. But on the flip side, there are some areas where private companies will not invest because they are not obviously profitable despite being necessary (and despite those same companies indirectly profiting from it).

In the ancient world, rich people regularly financed such expenses, but I do not think modern world has the same culture. So some degree of governmental intervention may be necessary.

Indeed. For Cities States mostly or in the Core city of the Republic.

An easy way in the ancient world to create a political clientele/influence/reputation/become famous/ be appreciated among the plebs and the army from which it is recruited was to build stuff like a Aedile.


Now you pay a TV spot or a sermon in the Church in the middle ages. People love got cheaper.
If you decentralized thing enough, with a strong social network of cultural capital, like a very small country stable in its demographic and behavior, you will see similar behavior. The Emir of Dubai is known for its ruinous infrastructure in the EAU (in Dubai) or the Prinz of Liechtenstein, or Hong Kong in the 70-80s with bridges funded by businessmen association.

Ultimately Money is just social power under another name. A tool.

 

[S'task]

> You are such an opinionated idiot that I got shocked into being incapable of coming up with even 1 single specific example of a private corporation building a water treatment facility from scratch without taxpayer funds.
> Not even one example.
> But trust me bro, it happens!
> I work in the industry. you see.

sure you do bub.
I am sure you happen to work as a water engineer who coincidentally just so happens in a private waterworks that just so happens to be this elusive purely privately funded waterworks. and you just so happen to be privvy to the exact ways in which the company you work for is financed.

/sarcasm

So, this is a really nice little scenario you set up for the poster, and I want folks to understand exactly what you've done so they can realize how much of a shit person you are.

For Flintsteel to refute you, he'd basically have to dox himself, as otherwise no amount of evidence would suffice for you to prove both his credentials and expertise. He could provide all sorts of evidence, explain things in details, but because you've not made it about his identity, you can, and will, dismiss anything he claims without proof of his expertise.

But it also makes you look ignorant as Flintsteel has consistently commented on issues involving water systems as if coming from an industry insider, take as examples:

Could you all just... not go spouting off about things you actually have no idea about? Please? You won't look so dumb.

Water systems are used for to preferences of the various Fire Marshall offices, not the data center people. Fire Marshalls prefer water systems because non-water systems are lethal to people, and the Fire Marshall is more concerned about life-safety than equipment safety. That data centers are normally unmanned didn't factor into the Fire Marshall's decisions at all.

There's so much bullshit and ignorance here I don't know where to begin, but the easiest point is that it would take way more than 30 minutes for a water supply attack to take effect. While it depends on the specifics of the system, water takes days to go from source to use. Sometimes as long as two weeks.

Oh, and chlorine (the most common residual disinfectant) neutralizes LSD. LSD as a water system supply attack is an urban myth.

This bullshit needs to stop being spread. The water issues having little to nothing to do with politics. Municipal water systems simply aren't designed to deal with this sort of demand. They were seeing 400% demands for 15 hours straight - no water system is designed for that.

So, I'm going to suggest you can either take the L, considering that you've consistently had people pushing back on your nonsense in regards to this, or, I guess you can double down, take the victory lap for people disengaging because they don't want to dox themselves, and continue to prove to everyone involved how much of an ignorant asshole you really are.