Klaus Schwab and the World Economic Forum

[mrttao]

So, this is a really nice little scenario you set up for the poster, and I want folks to understand exactly what you've done so they can realize how much of a shit person you are.

For Flintsteel to refute you, he'd basically have to dox himself, as otherwise no amount of evidence would suffice for you to prove both his credentials and expertise. He could provide all sorts of evidence, explain things in details, but because you've not made it about his identity, you can, and will, dismiss anything he claims without proof of his expertise.

But it also makes you look ignorant as Flintsteel has consistently commented on issues involving water systems as if coming from an industry insider, take as examples:

> He has to dox himself you piece of shit
facepalm.

You are assuming that:
1. he works in the 1 single company in the ENTIRE WORLD which built a water treatment facility from private funding and not taxpayer funds.
That he cannot name a single example, not even one, that he does not actually work at.

2. that company is so tiny that you would be able to tell which employee he is by merely naming a company.

3. falsely accusing ME of setting up the scenario where HE is the one who set it up by claiming to be an expert with personal info.

All I said is that I don't believe him. In your mind, not believing someone who claims to be an expert online is "asking him to dox himself".
It isn't
A. my belief is that he is lying. so he can't dox himself.
B. In the extremely unlikely event that he isn't lying, that only a retard would dox himself and that the normal thing is to have a conversation where none of us here doxes ourselves to prove our credentials and instead we rely on citations and links to publically available data.

C. you are ignoring the part where I loosened the standards for him so much by asking 1 single corporation example anywhere in the entire world. This is specifically so he would not need to expose his actual job site. But be able to "easily" prove his side of the argument instead by naming a DIFFERENT company than the one he works for.

 

[mrttao]

So, I'm going to suggest you can either take the L, considering that you've consistently had people pushing back on your nonsense in regards to this, or, I guess you can double down, take the victory lap for people disengaging because they don't want to dox themselves, and continue to prove to everyone involved how much of an ignorant asshole you really are.

I literally set myself up for failure by asking for 1 singular example in the entire world. There is almost always a single exception in the entire world.

This was me helping you by allowing your side to shift the goal posts in ya'lls favor.

This isn't because I genuinely believe that no singular exception could be found ever

But because I began to suspect I am arguing with bad faith debators. Who would rather citation bomb me (while not providing one singular citation themselves)
So far I am being proven right about the bad faith actors angle.

When your side was given such an easy win, where all you need to do is find 1 single exception in the entirety of the world.
The best your side got was
> Trust me bro I am an expert.

And when I rightly said I don't trust him.
(because 90%+ of the time when someone says that online he is lying)

You stepped in to call me a "piece of shit" who "set up a scenario" (by not trusting) forcing him to dox himself.
As if doxing himself is the more reasonable reaction compared to just literally finding 1 single example in the entire world.

 

[RenegadeInterrupt]

*Insert gif of Michael Jackson eating popcorn*

 

[Flintsteel]

> You are such an opinionated idiot that I got shocked into being incapable of coming up with even 1 single specific example of a private corporation building a water treatment facility from scratch without taxpayer funds.
> Not even one example.
> But trust me bro, it happens!
> I work in the industry. you see.

Fine:
Dale City. Privately funded development with its own water and sewer service, now owned by American Water. Not funded by taxes.

 

[mrttao]

Fine:
Dale City. Privately funded development with its own water and sewer service, now owned by American Water. Not funded by taxes.

See.
this wasn't that hard.

 

[Flintsteel]

See.
this wasn't that hard.

And your entire argument is rendered invalid.

 

[Jormungandr]

I gotta admit, it is kinda funny that most of the bottled water in America is just siphoned water from public water works (e.g. tap water, tourist springs in forests/national parks).

It's literally fucking Pekham Spring.

Meanwhile, Coca-Cola tried Dasani (filtered tap water) in the UK, and not only was it an abysmal failure, they were pretty much laughed out of the market by the population.

 

[Flintsteel]

I gotta admit, it is kinda funny that most of the bottled water in America is just siphoned water from public water works (e.g. tap water, tourist springs in forests/national parks).

It's literally fucking Pekham Spring.

Meanwhile, Coca-Cola tried Dasani (filtered tap water) in the UK, and not only was it an abysmal failure, they were pretty much laughed out of the market by the population.

I wish that had happened in the US. Not only is most bottled water not special, there's a huge issue with the bottling plants because they're taking water out of the local shed.

 

[LordsFire]

I wish that had happened in the US. Not only is most bottled water not special, there's a huge issue with the bottling plants because they're taking water out of the local shed.

Bottled water of any premium pricing whatsoever is just proof of how much people want to feel and seem bougie.

 

[mrttao]

Bottled water of any premium pricing whatsoever is just proof of how much people want to feel and seem bougie.

Or how much they distrust their tap water

 

[LordsFire]

Or how much they distrust their tap water

And if they learned about tap vs bottled water, they'd hold most of it in similar regard.

 

[mrttao]

And if they learned about tap vs bottled water, they'd hold most of it in similar regard.

Yes, it is very funny.

 

[Vyor]

Bottled water is actually properly filtered.

 

[Dauerschriff]

1) On Water:
Tap water is bad (pipe are not clean, nor well made). Bottle water is hazardous, and Source Water (maybe bottle, maybe tap) is great.

You can desalinize water, increase real economic growth, have industry, reduce price... But NOT in a society that have not increased significantly the Amount of electricity produced in 20 years. No extra energy.
All this water "farming" question is that we don't produce in the west significantly more energy that 30 years ago. but our population augment and age and degrade.

2) On Electricity Production USA Now: Stagnation

2003 : 3884 millions Megawat (= Billions kilowat)

Record U.S. electricity generation in 2018 driven by record residential, commercial sales - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)
Official Energy USA millions of Megawat production
2007: 4157 .
2023: about 4,178
Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)
Official sources from federal statistical systems, The USA Gov itself.

Utter and Total Stagnation. let us compare with the 80s growth (still in millions Megawats, USA still) :
https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/generation-major-source-1950-2020/ed4a9abd89b178cd/full.pdf
- 1983: 2313
- 1993: 3197


It does not take to be a genius to understand the problem at large scale.

 

[Iconoclast]

Klaus didn’t resign because he was old. He was booted out over a scandal:

https://www.wsj.com/business/world-economic-forum-opens-new-probe-into-founder-klaus-schwab-e2f061d6

 

[mrttao]

And your entire argument is rendered invalid.

1. Assuming your info is accurate. I looked into it a bit.
Dale service corporation has started operating in the 1960s. by 2013 it owned 2 water treatment plants which serviced 20k customers (homes not people) with 22 employees.
until it was purchased in 2013 by a private investor owned company (american water).

The construction of these water plants predates the modern internet. (technically you had primitive internet since 1960s)
I am not seeing any mention of dale service being built entirely from private investor funds without any govt investment.

So to research who owned dale water (was it partly owned by govt or all private?) and how it was financed (did it receive taxpayer subsidies/grants?) would basically require me to travel to dale city and dig into their city archives. And even then it is quite an uncertain thing to research.

Virginia American water to buy Dale Service Corp.

Virginia American Water has signed an agreement to buy the Dale Service Corporation, a wastewater utility company serving Dale City.

www.insidenova.com

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2. Assuming it is true, rather than "invalidating" my argument, you actually scored a concession out of me. which is not the same thing

I literally set myself up for failure by asking for 1 singular example in the entire world. There is almost always a single exception in the entire world.

This was me helping you by allowing your side to shift the goal posts in ya'lls favor.

This isn't because I genuinely believe that no singular exception could be found ever

But because I began to suspect I am arguing with bad faith debators. Who would rather citation bomb me (while not providing one singular citation themselves)
So far I am being proven right about the bad faith actors angle.

Congrats though on your victory.

 

[Iconoclast]

I was always fond of David Graeber. He could see the rat race for what it really was. A colossal waste of human time and energy. Almost an engineered time-wasting machine. And the worst part? The tendrils of High Finance in everything. The key problem with modern economics is how much importance we assign to speculation, arbitrage, and rents. These things are not valuable in and of themselves. They are alchemy. They merely transmute one kind of value into another.

Nobody likes to labor intensely for many years for very little reward while hearing that asset-hoarders sit on huge piles of money they basically didn't work for. Modern society is deeply demoralizing in that way. The powers-that-be expect the rich and the poor to mingle without resentment. An impossible ask. The arbitrageurs are not discreet. They flaunt their luxuries openly.

This shouldn’t be declaimed as “communist babble” any time someone says it. The global derivatives market is $1.1 quadrillion. It’s ten times the size of all real, productive industry. The people who run that scheme are blood-sucking leeches. Full stop.