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[LordsFire]

Even if a city cop dislikes a law he will have to enforce it unless the department and society around him is corrupt enough to allow him to avoid his duty.

Are you really this invested in the discussion, and unaware of just how much discretion police officers have in what they do and don't come after people for?

 

[King Arts]

Are you really this invested in the discussion, and unaware of just how much discretion police officers have in what they do and don't come after people for?

Are you a cop? Go apply to your towns police department and tell them you will only enforce laws you will agree with after you are hired. If you believe for one second that you will remain working as a police officer then you sir are severely brain damaged.
Cops have some discretion it's not infinite they can't ignore a crime they see right in their face unless they have a damn good reason to their superiors.

Some sort of law enforcement is necessary we do need people there to prevent rapes, thefts, and murders in the streets. But the police officers themselves the actual people are replaceable you can fire them all and replace them with people who you trust to not obey unconstitutional laws. The right should not be stupid cucks who ALWAYS BACK THE BLUE. Police are a useful tool, but that is what they are, and it would do well to remember that you want your tools in the executive branch to work for you.

 

[Zachowon]

Are you a cop? Go apply to your towns police department and tell them you will only enforce laws you will agree with after you are hired. If you believe for one second that you will remain working as a police officer then you sir are severely brain damaged.
Cops have some discretion it's not infinite they can't ignore a crime they see right in their face unless they have a damn good reason to their superiors.

Some sort of law enforcement is necessary we do need people there to prevent rapes, thefts, and murders in the streets. But the police officers themselves the actual people are replaceable you can fire them all and replace them with people who you trust to not obey unconstitutional laws. The right should not be stupid cucks who ALWAYS BACK THE BLUE. Police are a useful tool, but that is what they are, and it would do well to remember that you want your tools in the executive branch to work for you.

I worked in LE. I can tell you every person who was arrested, the charge put on them is is to the discretion of the cop.
As someone who has booked in plenty of people, most cops will give the least charge they can, because generally unless they are a huge ass or you fuck up big time they are gonna try to do good.

Stopping back the blue is the quickest way to have cops hate you.

Wierd...if cops hate you why would you back them?

Have you ever worked in LE? Do you have friends or family?

 

[Captain X]

The most ironic thing I ever saw was a truck that had both a "come and take it" parody flag with the outline of an AR-15 instead of a cannon and a "back the blue" sticker on the back of it. Who do you think is going to come and take it? Ask Duncan Lemp.

 

[King Arts]

I worked in LE. I can tell you every person who was arrested, the charge put on them is is to the discretion of the cop.
As someone who has booked in plenty of people, most cops will give the least charge they can, because generally unless they are a huge ass or you fuck up big time they are gonna try to do good.

Stopping back the blue is the quickest way to have cops hate you.

Wierd...if cops hate you why would you back them?

Have you ever worked in LE? Do you have friends or family?

Umm, I thought it's up to the prosecutor on what to charge the person in. The police bring the person in and collect evidence. They usually can talk to the prosecutor and have good relationship with them so they can recomend the DA to either hit them with the hammer, or to go softer on them. And if it's small crimes like speeding yes the cop can just let you off with a warning. But they don't have as large of a latitude as you make it out to be. Hell even with speeding while officially there is no quota, at a certain time of the month the cop is more likely to give you a ticket even if you were polite. Thats just because the higher ranked officers have no way to assess performance. So however many people are brought in, it looks like that officer is doing something. Ironically in a utopia the police would sit on their ass all day and do nothing, but they can't do that, even if there is low crime if they are doing nothing they might face adverse employment actions against them. Police will enforce laws even if they don't support them. They will respond to things they don't want to get involved in like domestic disturbances because it's their job and they can't just say no. They can drag their feet, but if they are ordered to confiscate guns most of them will. Also call me fatalistic but, we seem to be losing on all fronts, but then again their are religious prophecies about society going to hell. So it's kind of inevitable.

Also I don't support stopping back the blue. Just to not be fanatical about it and make it always happen. Some cops are good and on our side, others not. We should support the blue cops that are good, and support us. However those cops that are against us should not receive any of our support. For example those prison guards that were beating the protestors. If they are convicted we should support throwing them in gen pop with no protection. Support is not unconditional it is one hand washing another. If you protect and take care of me, I will do the same to you.

And no.

 

[Zachowon]

The most ironic thing I ever saw was a truck that had both a "come and take it" parody flag with the outline of an AR-15 instead of a cannon and a "back the blue" sticker on the back of it. Who do you think is going to come and take it? Ask Duncan Lemp.

You can back the blue and ask them to come and take it.
Because even if you back them you better be ready to fight them.

Umm, I thought it's up to the prosecutor on what to charge the person in. The police bring the person in and collect evidence. They usually can talk to the prosecutor and have good relationship with them so they can recomend the DA to either hit them with the hammer, or to go softer on them. And if it's small crimes like speeding yes the cop can just let you off with a warning. But they don't have as large of a latitude as you make it out to be. Hell even with speeding while officially there is no quota, at a certain time of the month the cop is more likely to give you a ticket even if you were polite. Thats just because the higher ranked officers have no way to assess performance. So however many people are brought in, it looks like that officer is doing something. Ironically in a utopia the police would sit on their ass all day and do nothing, but they can't do that, even if there is low crime if they are doing nothing they might face adverse employment actions against them. Police will enforce laws even if they don't support them. They will respond to things they don't want to get involved in like domestic disturbances because it's their job and they can't just say no. They can drag their feet, but if they are ordered to confiscate guns most of them will. Also call me fatalistic but, we seem to be losing on all fronts, but then again their are religious prophecies about society going to hell. So it's kind of inevitable.

Also I don't support stopping back the blue. Just to not be fanatical about it and make it always happen. Some cops are good and on our side, others not. We should support the blue cops that are good, and support us. However those cops that are against us should not receive any of our support. For example those prison guards that were beating the protestors. If they are convicted we should support throwing them in gen pop with no protection. Support is not unconditional it is one hand washing another. If you protect and take care of me, I will do the same to you.

And no.

Uh..
I'm the state of GA the arresting officer gives the initial charge, and the prosecution and initial judge hearing decide to increase or lower it.
I know this as it was part of my job when I worked for LE.

Having family and friends in LE will change your mind tk a degree based on who they are who they work for etc

 

[ShadowArxxy]

The talk about whether or not American cops will follow orders or not misses one crucial thing. Most public servants aren't smart, the fact that Judges have dismissed cases where people have sued over being fired because their IQs were too high.

As I recall, that case was a matter of people not being hired by a police department because they were above the ideal score range on a certain aptitude test. The police department had set a maximum score as well as a minimum score, based on experience that employees who scored extremely high tended to get bored and quit fast enough that they were a net loss to the department.

I think that's actually a pretty reasonable policy.

 

[Captain X]

So what do you guys who are so convinced the police won't cross the line have to say about this?

 

[Zachowon]

So what do you guys who are so convinced the police won't cross the line have to say about this?

I am not saying every cop wont

 

[Captain X]

This is literally the same shit being pulled in the UK now.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

As I recall, that case was a matter of people not being hired by a police department because they were above the ideal score range on a certain aptitude test. The police department had set a maximum score as well as a minimum score, based on experience that employees who scored extremely high tended to get bored and quit fast enough that they were a net loss to the department.

I think that's actually a pretty reasonable policy.

Of course you would think giving retards badges is a good idea. But I generally disregard your opinion for a reason.

So what do you guys who are so convinced the police won't cross the line have to say about this?

TBH this is why I'm favor of some of the tactics the Juntas in Argentina used. If a police agency sided with communists the Milicos would just declare them a Rogue law enforfement agency engaging in acts of terrorism and send a division into the city and annihilate that police department and arrest the family members of the cops for aiding and abetting.

Then replace them with loyalists.

Sadly the US military is hopelessly cucked and runby degenerate soyboys who babble about trannies in combat and sissies in high heels so trusting those welfare leeches is out of the question.

Maybe Red State Governors can resurrect the old militia system from before the ACW and set aside funds to levy and train and militarize soccer dads so they can act as a living sword of damocles over the heads of city cops and city prosecutors?

 

[BlackDragon98]

TBH this is why I'm favor of some of the tactics the Juntas in Argentina used. If a police agency sided with communists the Milicos would just declare them a Rogue law enforfement agency engaging in acts of terrorism and send a division into the city and annihilate that police department and arrest the family members of the cops for aiding and a betting.

Then replace them with loyalists.

Sadly the US military ID hopelessly cucked and government by degenerate soyboys who babble about trannies in combat and sissies in high heels so trusting those welfare leeches is out of the question.

Maybe Red State Governors can resurrect the old militia system from before the ACW and set aside funds to levy and train and militarize soccer dads so they can act as a living sword of damocles over the heads of city cops and city prosecutors?

This is how the 2nd US Civil War begins.
Tell me when it's starting so I can hitchhike south and enlist as a foreign volunteer in the Army of the Donald.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

This is how the 2nd US Civil War begins.
Tell me when it's starting so I can hitchhike south and enlist as a foreign volunteer in the Army of the Donald.

Begins?

We have been in a cold civil war since Gore Lost. Our skirmishes have been in the halls of congress, or more specifically the brothels and crack houses congress frequents and the ammo has been the checks.lobbies cut and the social pressure tech execs exert.

Half this country is being corralled and apartheid by the other half and the nation's (and the species for that matter) dominant sexual orientation and ethnic group is being targeted.

The only reason it hasn't gone hot is because the glowies and the bureaucrats have been smart enough not to attack the family unit directly. Then they let black supremacists and white maosists perpetrate a nation spanning Kristalnacht and pulled.off a coup. While declaring their intent to murder children and destroy the family.

So who the fuck knows how long this bloodless civil strife will last. I hope it lasts another generation but yeah no we have been in the bleeding Kansas phase or the "shinsengumi type groups everywhere" phase or the "troubles" phase since the real Troubles "ended" at the very least.

 

[Cherico]

Begins?

We have been in a cold civil war since Gore Lost. Our skirmishes have been in the halls of congress, or more specifically the brothels and crack houses congress frequents and the ammo has been the checks.lobbies cut and the social pressure tech execs exert.

Half this country is being corralled and apartheid by the other half and the nation's (and the species for that matter) dominant sexual orientation and ethnic group is being targeted.

The only reason it hasn't gone hot is because the glowies and the bureaucrats have been smart enough not to attack the family unit directly. Then they let black supremacists and white maosists perpetrate a nation spanning Kristalnacht and pulled.off a coup. While declaring their intent to murder children and destroy the family.

So who the fuck knows how long this bloodless civil strife will last. I hope it lasts another generation but yeah no we have been in the bleeding Kansas phase or the "shinsengumi type groups everywhere" phase or the "troubles" phase since the real Troubles "ended" at the very least.

according to what happened before.

we have roughly 8-12 years before a second more powerful and madder populist movement rises and takes power. If that fails we have a civil war 20 years later.

So in about 30 years.

The civil war period will be a period of roughly 30 years of on and off again fighting until we get our transition tyrant. If were lucky we get a ceasar who tries to grant mercy and then gets killed by the rivals he spared which leads to more civil war. If we are unlucky we get the love child of hitler and stalin.

The violence continues until the most regressive traditionalist around takes over and ends modernity.

And people will love him for it for generations.

 

[LordsFire]

Are you a cop? Go apply to your towns police department and tell them you will only enforce laws you will agree with after you are hired. If you believe for one second that you will remain working as a police officer then you sir are severely brain damaged.

As Zachowon's post points out, you have no idea what you're talking about. Please gain a better understanding of how the legal system actually works before you take such a hardline stance, also, stop with the personal attacks.

So what do you guys who are so convinced the police won't cross the line have to say about this?

I'm not aware of anyone on this thread arguing 'The police won't cross the line.' There's some of us arguing 'Not all cops are bastards. Stop judging people because of what others in the same profession have done.'

 

[AnimalNoodles]

So what do you guys who are so convinced the police won't cross the line have to say about this?

We warned these people that the structures put into place to fuck with Deplorables would be used against them. You dont critique Israel and you dont make the NeoMaoist barbie doll look bad.

 

[Terthna]

As Zachowon's post points out, you have no idea what you're talking about. Please gain a better understanding of how the legal system actually works before you take such a hardline stance, also, stop with the personal attacks.



I'm not aware of anyone on this thread arguing 'The police won't cross the line.' There's some of us arguing 'Not all cops are bastards. Stop judging people because of what others in the same profession have done.'

Sure, not all of them are; but how many of them aren't? A majority? Half? A fraction? At some point, the good cops are little more than the exception that proves the rule; worthy of respect to be sure, but not enough to redeem the entire profession.

 

[ShadowArxxy]

Of course you would think giving retards badges is a good idea. But I generally disregard your opinion for a reason.

More like you habitually misrepresent my opinion and then use your made up version to attack me.

I made a good-faith effort to factually research the claim you made, and found *no* documented cases of a serving police officer being fired for having too high an IQ. There is one case on record of a police candidate who scored 33 points on the City of New New London police department's aptitude test, and did not advance to an interview because the scoring range to advance was 20 to 27. He sued the police department for "discrimination" and lost in both district court and appeals court; the courts ruled that the City of New London had applied the same standards to all candidates and that the standards passed a rational basis test. Here is a copy of the 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals ruling.

Your snide comment about "giving retards badges" also has no basis in fact; the minimum score of 20 on that aptitude test is equivalent to an IQ of 100, which means all of the candidates selected by the police department are in fact of above-average intelligence.

 

[BlackDragon98]

More like you habitually misrepresent my opinion and then use your made up version to attack me.

I made a good-faith effort to factually research the claim you made, and found *no* documented cases of a serving police officer being fired for having too high an IQ. There is one case on record of a police candidate who scored 33 points on the City of New New London police department's aptitude test, and did not advance to an interview because the scoring range to advance was 20 to 27. He sued the police department for "discrimination" and lost in both district court and appeals court; the courts ruled that the City of New London had applied the same standards to all candidates and that the standards passed a rational basis test. Here is a copy of the 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals ruling.

Your snide comment about "giving retards badges" also has no basis in fact; the minimum score of 20 on that aptitude test is equivalent to an IQ of 100, which means all of the candidates selected by the police department are in fact of above-average intelligence.

So what I'm getting here is that police personnel aren't just a bunch of brainlets.

 

[Zachowon]

So what I'm getting here is that police personnel aren't just a bunch of brainlets.

Yes.