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they will as soon as a D takes their R's place.

Good grief, why are you so determined to have an over-simplified view of this?

Sure, some people will do what the boss says, just because they say it, but that's not going to be everyone. If you see a new Police Chief or similar in who's left instead of right, yeah, you'd expect some change to institutional culture, possibly rapid change, but it won't just be flipping a switch.
 
Good grief, why are you so determined to have an over-simplified view of this?

Sure, some people will do what the boss says, just because they say it, but that's not going to be everyone. If you see a new Police Chief or similar in who's left instead of right, yeah, you'd expect some change to institutional culture, possibly rapid change, but it won't just be flipping a switch.
Actually Rocinate is right do to the way American culture works law enforcement is more likely to obey those orders. Germanic culture which alenglish and America make a part of considers order and following proper procedures and following the rules and Peter of the law and documentation as good things. This is in contrast to Latin culture like Italy or Spain where it is more corrupt. This means that even if the laws on the books are bad they are almost never enforced while in Germanic nations like England Norway America, etc. the police almost rarely turn a blind eye. Even if they disagree with the law they have to follow it. So unless the executive branch pulls a coup on a corrupt legislature yes 7/10 they would obey an order to confiscate guns.
 
Actually Rocinate is right do to the way American culture works law enforcement is more likely to obey those orders. Germanic culture which alenglish and America make a part of considers order and following proper procedures and following the rules and Peter of the law and documentation as good things. This is in contrast to Latin culture like Italy or Spain where it is more corrupt. This means that even if the laws on the books are bad they are almost never enforced while in Germanic nations like England Norway America, etc. the police almost rarely turn a blind eye. Even if they disagree with the law they have to follow it. So unless the executive branch pulls a coup on a corrupt legislature yes 7/10 they would obey an order to confiscate guns.
LEO'S have thier own discretion on what they give tickets and infraction for.
They are able to make decisions themselves you know
 
LEO'S have thier own discretion on what they give tickets and infraction for.
They are able to make decisions themselves you know
For small things like traffic tickets yes because they can’t enforce everything. But go up and complain to a cop about them enforcing prostitution laws or drug laws. Say people have the right to decide what to do with their bodies. They won’t say “nope those things are wrong.” Some might see it as wrong most don’t care. They will say “hey don’t blame me blame the politicians and legislators I just enforce the law.” A cop won’t stay a cop long if they flat out tell their boss that as a committed libertarian they will not enforce laws against prostitution or drug use.
 
LEO'S have thier own discretion on what they give tickets and infraction for.
They are able to make decisions themselves you know
Then why haven't there been any kind of protests or refusals to enforce red flag laws? Or against that law that basically just lets them seize money or property without even having to prove there was any kind of crime involved to justify it?
 
The police will obey any orders that they have been given. Maybe a few won’t, but they won’t matter, for all practical purposes they will enforce what ever agenda the elites have for the nation. Including disarming law abiding citizens, arresting people for thought or speech crimes, or arresting people for defending themselves from left wing terrorists.

This isn’t some kind of theoretical made up scenario with a ROB, this is already happening all over the USA and even the Western world.

Are police setting the agenda themselves? No, of course not, and many likely object. The elites set the agenda, but the police will carry it out, which makes us no different from any other totalitarian regime in the history of humanity. Most people “just follow orders” and that is enough to make any atrocity possible.
 
Then why haven't there been any kind of protests or refusals to enforce red flag laws? Or against that law that basically just lets them seize money or property without even having to prove there was any kind of crime involved to justify it?

With red flag laws, there are two reasons: one, there's a strong argument for it being unconstitutional, but the proper venue to challenge that is the courts, especially since red flag laws do work through the court system in the first place. Two, with Buck v. Bell actually still being the law of the land -- contrary to popular assumption, it's never been overturned -- the bar for "what the government is allowed to do to anyone deemed in any way of diminished capacity" is incredibly high.

With civil asset forfeiture, the police are *never* going to refuse to enforce laws that literally put money in their own pockets and which they can easily make moral excuses for because they're only "depriving bad guys of criminal proceeds".
 
the sooner the right wingers realize that the police aren't really on our side, the better.

I mean. Yes there are right wing police. But they've been letting rioters go and riot and dropping charges for a year, but are so quick to throw the book at the right wingers who do it.

While there are many good individuals, The police, as an organization, are not on our side.
The rural police in America, like Sheriffs and stuff, especially those from pro-gun, pro-Trump areas, are on the side of the people.
City cops, FBI, Homeland, they're firmly on the side of Assholes (they do have the donkey as a symbol)
 
You all seem to think cops are a hive mind just like the military. They arnt...
The rural police in America, like Sheriffs and stuff, especially those from pro-gun, pro-Trump areas, are on the side of the people.
City cops, FBI, Homeland, they're firmly on the side of Assholes (they do have the donkey as a symbol)
What do you mean by city cops? A small town with a couple dozen or the big city city cops?
 
The talk about whether or not American cops will follow orders or not misses one crucial thing. Most public servants aren't smart, the fact that Judges have dismissed cases where people have sued over being fired because their IQs were too high.

Municipalities especially. Government employees don't care about anything but remaining employed, city employees are about as scrupulous as drug dealers.

And the US government is swiftly becoming South America where the law only serves to either advance an agenda or carry out the vendettas of local bosses.

What you have is a situation where nearly everyone with a badge is a mercenary and little else.

And prosecutors and Judges? Lel they're all traitors.
 
The talk about whether or not American cops will follow orders or not misses one crucial thing. Most public servants aren't smart, the fact that Judges have dismissed cases where people have sued over being fired because their IQs were too high.

Municipalities especially. Government employees don't care about anything but remaining employed, city employees are about as scrupulous as drug dealers.

And the US government is swiftly becoming South America where the law only serves to either advance an agenda or carry out the vendettas of local bosses.

What you have is a situation where nearly everyone with a badge is a mercenary and little else.

And prosecutors and Judges? Lel they're all traitors.
You know me and you will always disagree here.

It all depends on the people in the place.

If they are someone who grew up in the area they are more likely to treat the people better then those not.

Big cities are horrible but smaller under 250k generally have much better.

It varies a whole hellnof a lot, and depends on state and city
 
Sure, there are some small rural areas where the primary law enforcement is a sheriff and his deputies where they are going to honor the Constitution and protect the people’s rights. Meanwhile, the other 95% of the nation will see their law enforcement act as an armed escort for the American Red Guard. Also, if the establishment forces want to go get somebody in a super conservative rural country, they don’t need the sheriff, they can just send in the FBI, ATF, state troopers, or any other law enforcement that have jurisdiction over a larger area. The local sheriff of Conservative County USA might not send to deputies to take your guns or arrest you for hate speech (though you might be surprised) but is he going to order his deputies to kill members of the FBI or ATF to protect you? Absolutely not.

Also, we live in a world dominated by magic words, even conservatives are vulnerable to them. You might imagine a police officer who understands how dangerous the left is and who voted for Trump and think to yourself that “this guy isn’t going to come get me for expressing dissent” but like I said, you might be surprised. When his superiors say that you are a “racist” and a “Nazi” and a “terrorist” and that you are planning an ”insurrection” then those magic words will act like a spell on his brain and he will be willing to ignore what you thought he knew about rights and come get you, he’ll be the hero while you’re the Neo-Nazi terrorist that he stopped. It doesn’t hurt that he has a mortgage and a family to support and obedience keeps those pay checks coming in.

As for smaller cities, look at Charlottesville VA. It has a population of less than 50,000 and look how the police handled the Unite the Right Rally.
 
As for smaller cities, look at Charlottesville VA. It has a population of less than 50,000 and look how the police handled the Unite the Right Rally.
Population itself means less than specific political leanings in that case, look at the voting records and it becomes obvious.
As many certainly would have guessed without even looking, it's a D majority city since the 80's, and overwhelming 70%+ majority D one since the 00's, so of course the local government kowtows to the left on all levels.
 
Uh...
If Nissuri and soon to be Texas are willing to prevent Feds from entering the state, counties can do the same.

The issue is, having this mentality makes you more likely to be the ones the cops come knocking for. Because you dint care about then why should they care about you?

Treat cops with respect until they don't earn it. Befriend the cops, because unlike what a lot of you think, cops are humans too who have feelings.

But hey, I guess growing up in a red county with red cities and even ass hole cops are more likely yo let you go with a warning if you treat them well.

I guess I'm an oddity
 
Uh...
If Nissuri and soon to be Texas are willing to prevent Feds from entering the state, counties can do the same.

The issue is, having this mentality makes you more likely to be the ones the cops come knocking for. Because you dint care about then why should they care about you?

Treat cops with respect until they don't earn it. Befriend the cops, because unlike what a lot of you think, cops are humans too who have feelings.

But hey, I guess growing up in a red county with red cities and even ass hole cops are more likely yo let you go with a warning if you treat them well.

I guess I'm an oddity
Of course humans are cops. But what you fail to realize is that human nature is slavery. Everyone is bound by something and will obey that. The city cops are slaves of the politicians, the good sheriff is the slave of the common people in his jurisdiction the people that he relies on their support for. Even if a city cop dislikes a law he will have to enforce it unless the department and society around him is corrupt enough to allow him to avoid his duty. There are benefits and down sides to having low corruption. But here is the thing even that cop in the city who does not support gun control but will enforce it only enforces it because the politicians are powerful. If the military came in and shot the mayor and judges. The cop won’t do anything he is just doing what is best for himself and his family. But the problem is no one is willing to stop those who try to force gun control.
 
With red flag laws, there are two reasons: one, there's a strong argument for it being unconstitutional, but the proper venue to challenge that is the courts, especially since red flag laws do work through the court system in the first place. Two, with Buck v. Bell actually still being the law of the land -- contrary to popular assumption, it's never been overturned -- the bar for "what the government is allowed to do to anyone deemed in any way of diminished capacity" is incredibly high.

With civil asset forfeiture, the police are *never* going to refuse to enforce laws that literally put money in their own pockets and which they can easily make moral excuses for because they're only "depriving bad guys of criminal proceeds".
You realize you're just making my point for me, right?
 

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