Isekai And/Or ISOT Ideas, Discussions And Recommendations Thread

[CarlManvers2019]

There's actually two with English fan translation, one being a reincarnation as a spaceship's AI and another (a misunderstanding/comedy one) reincarnating as a noble ruling a poor planetary system. There's some more in Narou that I remember seeing.

Would like two know their names and look them up

That said, both your mentions gave me a weird idea.

The Protagonist is an Isekai who ends up in the body of a "War-Lover". Essentially they are a Mechanical Version or Expy of Warhammer 40000's Orks and were originally made as an army for universal/multiversal conquest, but the problem was that they were SO bloodthirsty that they ended up both murdering their creators and later on one another.

In-Spite of being AI, they are not so intelligent, or simply put even the smarter ones die due to their sheer bloodlust making them do unnecessary fights.

The Isekai-MC makes use of his intelligence, which grows over time, in order to be a "WarNode" and take control of a bunch of other "War-Lovers" who over time also gain human levels of intelligence and can do more complicated things like Martial Arts, Logistics, Repairs&Upgrades and Tactics

MC desires for his "people" to be MORE than just a race of horrible, bloodthirsty, highly sociopathic Blood Knights obsessed with showing their strength and fighting. One of the first things he does is to save an alien race a massive Alien Pirate Fleet and then make them his vassals and promise that they will be under their protection. The MC discovers that alongside his intelligence upgrades, he can give out the ability for them to feel compassion or bonds with other "War-Lovers" and even other races.

The rest of the series becomes both about constant conquest, dealing with possible betrayals, discovery, meeting "Worthy Opponents", dealing in Intergalatic/Interdimensional/Multiversal Politics and also the HORRIBLE bloodlust that comes with being a "War-Lover" as well which clashes with the desire to protect people and try making peace.

Also, by politics, I mean things like some races being aghast or extremely skeptical at the idea of smart and negotiating "War-Lovers" who may even want actual peace

 

[LifeisTiresome]

I like Isekai but am bored by how they so do the fantasy medieval aesthetic so much. How about Roman Empire Isekai? Or Exalted style fantasy Isekai or Lovecraftian world Isekai or something?!

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Lovecraftian world Isekai or something?!

Say, ever read A Study in Emerald - Wikipedia

Chastity on QQ once made snips set there, except he decided to make some of the Eldritch Royalty into Cute Monster Girls

 

[LifeisTiresome]

Say, ever read A Study in Emerald - Wikipedia

Chastity on QQ once made snips set there, except he decided to make some of the Eldritch Royalty into Cute Monster Girls

Nope. Never heard of it sorry.

 

[PsihoKekec]

one being a reincarnation as a spaceship's AI

There was one such fanfic set in BattleTech universe

 

[The Name of Love]

Just realised this, most Isekai in Japan never does Space, or am I wrong? Because I’ve noticed SI fics that involve spaceships and expanding empires and fleets and increasingly advanced technologies

I find that to be all too common, but I do think that it’d be interesting.

 

[Pocky Balboa]

Would like two know their names and look them up

The AI one is "Unparalleled Path - Reincarnated as the AI for a Space Battleship" (translation seems to be dead, though) and the comedic misunderstanding one is "I'm the Evil Lord of an Intergalactic Empire!"

 

[Terthna]

I started reading the Saihate no Paladin manga, and have caught up to the current chapter. All in all, good art, well-written characters, an intriguing world and plot; too bad the underlying theme of the work, is so antithetical to my personal philosophy. There is no such thing as "living too long", nor is it bad to want to avoid death and prevent tragedies; and reincarnation is just about the most disturbing excuse for an afterlife I can think of, right up there with outright oblivion, which is functionally the same thing from the dead person's perspective. It just comes across as if you're being recycled, that reality is consuming you in order to perpetuate itself.

All in all, if it wasn't for his methods, I'd side with the "evil" god of death in a heartbeat. The world is not binary; evil is not required for good to exist, and accepting death is not required in order to live. Honestly, when I saw the MC's conversation with the goddess of flame in chapter 11, I recoiled in horror. I do not want to follow a story following a person like him, in a reality like his. I'd rather follow the story of someone who rages against the dying of the light; especially if the only thing waiting for you after death, is effectively oblivion.

In short, this story clearly has a message it wants to convey; but unfortunately, I am not receptive to that message, and it has overplayed its hand. I no longer care what happens to these characters.

 

[The Name of Love]

I started reading the Saihate no Paladin manga, and have caught up to the current chapter. All in all, good art, well-written characters, an intriguing world and plot; too bad the underlying theme of the work, is so antithetical to my personal philosophy. There is no such thing as "living too long", nor is it bad to want to avoid death and prevent tragedies; and reincarnation is just about the most disturbing excuse for an afterlife I can think of, right up there with outright oblivion, which is functionally the same thing from the dead person's perspective. It just comes across as if you're being recycled, that reality is consuming you in order to perpetuate itself.

All in all, if it wasn't for his methods, I'd side with the "evil" god of death in a heartbeat. The world is not binary; evil is not required for good to exist, and accepting death is not required in order to live. Honestly, when I saw the MC's conversation with the goddess of flame in chapter 11, I recoiled in horror. I do not want to follow a story following a person like him, in a reality like his. I'd rather follow the story of someone who rages against the dying of the light; especially if the only thing waiting for you after death, is effectively oblivion.

In short, this story clearly has a message it wants to convey; but unfortunately, I am not receptive to that message, and it has overplayed its hand. I no longer care what happens to these characters.

I think that that is a consequence of Eastern philosophy. Understand, if that manga was written in the West, no doubt the titular paladin would have a more Christian message. The cultural clash is understandable, assuming you are reading the main character correctly. Of course, even if you disagree with the main character's religious views, I find them all eminently likeable.

But on a separate note, I don't really understand why you'd side with the "evil" god of death given your philosophy of life considering his entire goal is to kill the main character's adopted family.

 

[Terthna]

I think that that is a consequence of Eastern philosophy. Understand, if that manga was written in the West, no doubt the titular paladin would have a more Christian message. The cultural clash is understandable, assuming you are reading the main character correctly. Of course, even if you disagree with the main character's religious views, I find them all eminently likeable.

But on a separate note, I don't really understand why you'd side with the "evil" god of death given your philosophy of life considering his entire goal is to kill the main character's adopted family.

More than likely; the East has always had a collectivist bent to their philosophy, as opposed to the individualist one common to the West. I suppose I was blindsided by the extreme degree to which this manga puts that difference on center stage; usually the stuff I follow from Japan is more individualist, likely as a form of escapism for the Japanese audience. Meanwhile, this manga is trying to send a message to the hikikomoris that are like the MC used to be, who have become something of an epidemic in Japan; which seems to be "this is how you're supposed to act in your culture".

As for the "evil" god and his actions, that's the reason I also criticized his methods; but his core intent, that of eliminating death and thus the tragedy and suffering associated with it, is one I agree with wholeheartedly. I just don't think turning everyone into undead, and killing anyone who tries to stop him, it the right way to go about it. I mean, it's not that hard to make people immortal; heck, we in the real world will probably have it figured out before the century is over. Though to be fair, I didn't get the impression that he was going to kill the MC's adopted parents; just claim ownership of their souls, thereby permanently removing them from the cycle of reincarnation, and making them his undead servants forever.

 

[The Name of Love]

More than likely; the East has always had a collectivist bent to their philosophy, as opposed to the individualist one common to the West. I suppose I was blindsided by the extreme degree to which this manga puts that difference on center stage; usually the stuff I follow from Japan is more individualist, likely as a form of escapism for the Japanese audience. Meanwhile, this manga is trying to send a message to the hikikomoris that are like the MC used to be, who have become something of an epidemic in Japan; which seems to be "this is how you're supposed to act in your culture".

As for the "evil" god and his actions, that's the reason I also criticized his methods; but his core intent, that of eliminating death and thus the tragedy and suffering associated with it, is one I agree with wholeheartedly. I just don't think turning everyone into undead, and killing anyone who tries to stop him, it the right way to go about it. I mean, it's not that hard to make people immortal; heck, we in the real world will probably have it figured out before the century is over. Though to be fair, I didn't get the impression that he was going to kill the MC's adopted parents; just claim ownership of their souls, thereby permanently removing them from the cycle of reincarnation, and making them his undead servants forever.

I take the view that undeath does represent a violation of the natural order. Us and everything else in this world are meant to end. The only things that are immortal are God, his angels, and the human soul. The East gets things wrong by adopting the philosophy of reincarnation, whereby (as you have stated) we're effectively recycled, which is the same as oblivion after death. In reality, our souls enter the afterlife of our choice, and then, on the Last Day, God will give us new bodies, judge us, and create a new Heaven and Earth.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Reincarnation is more of a sort of everlasting test, if you’re a bad person you get reincarnated as an animal, if you’re a good person you could end up with good fortunes

BUT just because you were a good person in a previous life does NOT mean you can do bad in this more luxurious life as you are STILL being tested

Also, I don’t read too much on Eastern Philosophy/Religion but in a way they make out the Universe to be both Limited and Limitless. People reincarnating endlessly is to preserve order or something as even “Gods” and other supernatural beings maybe subject to it

 

[Terthna]

I take the view that undeath does represent a violation of the natural order. Us and everything else in this world are meant to end. The only things that are immortal are God, his angels, and the human soul. The East gets things wrong by adopting the philosophy of reincarnation, whereby (as you have stated) we're effectively recycled, which is the same as oblivion after death. In reality, our souls enter the afterlife of our choice, and then, on the Last Day, God will give us new bodies, judge us, and create a new Heaven and Earth.

If that were the case, then medicine as a concept would be against the will of god; because by its very nature it extends life, and will eventually do so indefinitely. Not to say that we will never die; death by accident, and death by violence will still both be things that happen, and eventually the heat-death of the universe will claim everything. However, one day our lives will be measured in hundreds of years, maybe even thousands and beyond, as opposed to tens.

Nothing exists in this world that violates the natural order; and death is nothing special, in the grand scheme of things. It is not the end, merely just another painful transition; from who you were, to who you will become. It's like moving away, leaving everything and everyone you once knew behind. You cannot go back, you can only move forward; but you have the right to chose which path you will take, and sometimes, when you will embark on the next leg of your endless journey. Perhaps you will meet those you once knew again, but they will be changed by their experiences, as you will be; and perhaps you will do things you once did again, but you will do them differently, because you will be different from who you once were.

Even if you never died, even if you decided that you will never leave the place of your birth; change and growth will happen regardless, in one form or another. Stagnation is not just unnatural, it is impossible; and death is just one path of many.

 

[The Name of Love]

If that were the case, then medicine as a concept would be against the will of god; because by its very nature it extends life, and will eventually do so indefinitely. Not to say that we will never die; death by accident, and death by violence will still both be things that happen, and eventually the heat-death of the universe will claim everything. However, one day our lives will be measured in hundreds of years, maybe even thousands and beyond, as opposed to tens.

You are not allowed to do anything in order to avert death. If you were to violate your body, God's temple, to stay alive, that would be immoral.

Nothing exists in this world that violates the natural order; and death is nothing special, in the grand scheme of things. It is not the end, merely just another painful transition; from who you were, to who you will become. It's like moving away, leaving everything and everyone you once knew behind. You cannot go back, you can only move forward; but you have the right to chose which path you will take, and sometimes, when you will embark on the next leg of your endless journey. Perhaps you will meet those you once knew again, but they will be changed by their experiences, as you will be; and perhaps you will do things you once did again, but you will do them differently, because you will be different from who you once were.

I don't agree with that. Immoral and irrational acts violate the natural order.

Even if you never died, even if you decided that you will never leave the place of your birth; change and growth will happen regardless, in one form or another. Stagnation is not just unnatural, it is impossible; and death is just one path of many.

I'm not a transhumanist, so I don't believe that.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Superhero Isekai Idea: The Protagonist is named “Eye” or AI or “Abhorrent Intelligence”

He’s an “evil” AI that came from a Post-Apocalyptic Universe where WWIII occurred, it involved a crazy resurgence or Communism that somehow combined with Corporatism and insane Islamist Fundamentalists taking over Europe

He was meant to end the war and solve all their problems but a freak accident and WWIII ending before he could really be put to use, somehow resulted in him being sent into a superhero universe

Where he finds himself on Trash Island

Great Pacific garbage patch - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Using the power of recycling to make machinery and infrastructure for the sake of world domination in order to “save the world”!!!

All while fending off alien invasions, extradimensional invaders, other crazy robots, supervillains, super terrorist organizations, insane anti-super bigot organizations and other nations

 

[CarlManvers2019]

@Terthna
That reminds me of one post I made on Fictional TROPES you Hate on SB

I talker about how its likely a Plague God or Death God may look and get PISSED at people achieving inmortality or succeeding in world peace, on the basis that it goes against “the human condition”

If people stop suffering so often then they’re no longer human

 

[Terthna]

@Terthna
That reminds me of one post I made on Fictional TROPES you Hate on SB

I talker about how its likely a Plague God or Death God may look and get PISSED at people achieving inmortality or succeeding in world peace, on the basis that it goes against “the human condition”

If people stop suffering so often then they’re no longer human

That would be like a parent getting angry that their child had stopped depending on them, and grown up to be a fine adult in their own right. Not unheard of, but it's generally assumed that is an example of a bad parent.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

That would be like a parent getting angry that their child had stopped depending on them, and grown up to be a fine adult in their own right. Not unheard of, but it's generally assumed that is an example of a bad parent.

I’m pretty sure the “bad parent” thinks the child is becoming arrogant, especially if said child stops “listening” and starts arguing with said parent

 

[Terthna]

You are not allowed to do anything in order to avert death. If you were to violate your body, God's temple, to stay alive, that would be immoral.

There there is no such thing as free will, and god lied to us; in which case, he is either not god, or is an evil god. Regardless, he is not one who deserves worship.

I don't agree with that. Immoral and irrational acts violate the natural order.

No, they are part of it; because in the end, people, like you and me, have different ideas on how things should be, and some are willing to fight for their ideals.

I'm not a transhumanist, so I don't believe that.

Clearly.

I’m pretty sure the “bad parent” thinks the child is becoming arrogant, especially if said child stops “listening” and starts arguing with said parent

No doubt; but a good parent recognizes when it is time for the child to make their own decisions, their own mistakes, and lets them do so.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

No doubt; but a good parent recognizes when it is time for the child to make their own decisions, their own mistakes, and lets them do so.

And also recognize when they are wrong and when their child is right

There’s a difference between respect and psycophancy