Arch Dornan
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I wasn't sure whether what happened to the past and what happens now fall under the same thing.
Imperalism
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One of the interesting things of history is why various European powers gained such huge overseas empires while China didn't.
Arch Dornan
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They really could do that wouldn't they?
I would love to see that with a magic time device. See how much they could do and fuck up with their policies.
The Chinese actually at one stage were all set to go, with a huge fleet. But it got cancelled due to internal politics.
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Yes the treasure fleets weren't they?
gral
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That's not something the Koreans like having people know(for obvious reasons), but yes, many(not all of course, not even the majority) of the biggest offenders were Koreans. Imperial Japanese society was one where people actively bullied and mistreated those inferior to them, and Koreans only had the people in the recently occupied territories as below them.
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We'll all be dead when Earth starts to colonise space but how many long gone names will get a revival and old habits of human exploration come back?
I don't disagree with this, but my point was more along the lines that how exactly would they go on about it would depend on a lot of things.
Lanmandragon
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Sure there's be differences due to culture and such.
Arch Dornan
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Is immigration be it legal or illegal considered a form of imperialism?
Depends on how much immigration, and under what conditions.
Immigration in the form of "We've decided to send a whole load of our people to live there, and bring their form of government with them" certainly is imperialistic.
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It is interesting to consider from all angles.
For example the increasing number of Muslims who want to introduce Sharia law into Belgium. Is it a form of imperialism through the legal path?
Lanmandragon
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I would say yes that's basically how the Germans took Rome out.
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That feels like a mixed bag of sad and inevitable.
The biological and cultural law to spread out and demonstrate to the world who's superior occurs even now. Languages, culture and genes wiped out or overwritten by a dominant one no matter what artificial laws are set up to prevent it from happening unless you sought radical measures.
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Let's go with one example in Asia. Not China whose bullying of the Uyghurs are well known already.
It's Vietnam. They've been busy enforcing their will on minority groups to speak and have Vietnamese names while expanding and settling lands that belong to them. A funny turn around but such is the fate of the loser. I read this one about the Cham people who they kicked their asses long ago and would purposefully destroy evidence of Cham culture to hide the South China territory shit everyone there is fighting over.
It's Vietnam. They've been busy enforcing their will on minority groups to speak and have Vietnamese names while expanding and settling lands that belong to them. A funny turn around but such is the fate of the loser. I read this one about the Cham people who they kicked their asses long ago and would purposefully destroy evidence of Cham culture to hide the South China territory shit everyone there is fighting over.
To be fair we all learned a valuable lesson when a Belgian asks you for a hand always say no.
CarlManvers2019
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It’s amazing how people don’t know about minority groups within “minority groups”
Like, I think people sorta have catch-all-terms and don’t realize things like how even Japan had guys like the Ainu being seperate cultures
Its almost like trying to simplify the world into two separate sides of good and evil with yourself as the righteous anointed ends with you missing most of the facts and living in a delusional fantasy world.
CarlManvers2019
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It's kinda ironic, but even trying to simplify things as "both sides are just as bad" helps ignore the complexities of the other side too
Yeah that's kinda literally why the British left the Colonials holding a bag of shit in the form of frontier atrocities being perpetrated against them in the French and Indian war and why they started screwing the Colonies in Taxes.
y'know because they kinda started a whole big ass global war.
Depends if its say the Zulu then essentially the Empire of Japan right down to the atrocities. If it's say an alternate history where say it's the Alans and the Vandals in the post Roman North African theatre that start taking Bantu's as slaves and there is a more "integrated" Africa...it'd probably fizzle out as soon as that whacky warlord whose witch mom convinced him he was the Prophet showed up as it did it historically..but Maybe the Bantus would be more well protected against the Arabic slave trade and that would..rather, radically alter the history of servitude.
You might also end up with a weird variant of Santeria based around Afro-Germanic paganism mixed with early Christianity.