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[The Whispering Monk]

...I think a couple of things to note are:
due to years of strawmen and gaslighting by communists we ended up with multiple competing definitions of capitalism. With 90%+ of people believing in straw definitions instead of the actual definitions.

Not wrong

Also, "free trade" as in "voluntary exchange of goods within your country" or "free trade" as in "have all manufacturing done in foreign countries by slaves without any pesky safety or environmental regulation"

though I'd eliminate country to anywhere that actually practices free trade without coercion.

I would define capitalism as "the right to own property and only voluntary exchange of goods".

can agree here too

In which case capitalism REQUIRES aggressive antitrust enforcement on businesses and politicians to ensure businesses don't coerce people to buy from them. For example by bribing politicians to kill competitors (LBRY was recently killed by the SEC. likely on google's behalf. big pharma engages in patent evergreening to keep drug prices high. Disney bribes politicians to keep extending their IP expirations, etc) or engaging in shady business to kill competitors (amazon ate a 150 million dollar loss to kill Diapers.com by selling diapers at a loss to the Diapers.com customers. HMO do kickback system with pharmacies. etc)

I mean, sure. if you cut down on the green hysteria and the like, you can increase local production and reduce offshore outsourcing.
Same as if you cut down on bullshit red tape that exists solely because megacorps bribed politicians to make it illegal for startups to compete with them.
But on the other hand, if instead of trimming the above govt malfeasance you cut down the govt ability to break monopolies then you make things worse.

There is definitely a role for govt to ensure the anti-trust function happens. However, that very lever of power can and will be converted so it's always going to be a struggle.

 

[Abhorsen]

Anyway, bringing all of this various capitalism etc conversation back to immigration:

One can be the most extreme capitalist around (an ancap) and still anti open borders, on the basis that all borders should be private, and lacking that, the closest we can get is the government deciding immigration based on voting.

And there are plenty of reasons to avoid open boarders, notably fear of how immigrants will vote, especially if they vote themselves welfare.

 

[mrttao]

though I'd eliminate country to anywhere that actually practices free trade without coercion.

hmm... yea, I guess instead of "just your country" it could be "your country and other peers who are equally dedicated to upholding freedom"

There is definitely a role for govt to ensure the anti-trust function happens. However, that very lever of power can and will be converted so it's always going to be a struggle.

Any law and any definition, no matter how well meaning, can and will eventually get abused once corruption becomes sufficiently entrenched.
It is a never ending struggle that is part of the human condition.

Of course, not all laws are equal. Some are vastly more prone towards creating corruption than stemming it.
that said, breaking up monopolies actually has a decent track record

 

[strunkenwhite]

... you do realize that it was possible to get a divorce before the "no fault" divorce thing, right?

... OK, you got me in that obviously you could divorce if you could prove a legally sufficient justification in court in the absence of no-fault divorce. But that ignores some obvious issues. Aside from the cost of going through the system and proving the fault, what if your spouse hasn't done anything rising to the level that would justify the divorce? Are you supposed to go out and cheat on them to establish your own fault? That would get you your divorce but expose you to alimony. Oh wait, even then in an adversarial court system you still need to prove the other party's fault so you'd need their cooperation.

(In cases where you did have cooperation on the subject of obtaining divorce, there were widespread concerns that the manufacturing of fault was corrupting the legal system itself, not to mention the deleterious effect it had on the public's opinion of same.)

 

[Skitzyfrenic]

what if your spouse hasn't done anything rising to the level that would justify the divorce?

You open your mouth like a goddamn adult and communicate the issues to your spouse, instead of pretending the problem doesn't exist.

Couple's therapy.

Actually put effort into improving your relationship.

Realize you made a bad choice thus you made your bed and now you have to lie in it. And put effort into making the best of it.

Realize they haven't done anything to actually warrant a divorce and you're the problem and get therapy.

Get them therapy if it's definitely something on their end.

There are all sorts of things that people can do before trying to engineer faults for divorce. The big problem with most of them is that someone would have to admit that they were wrong at some point, and people in general fucking hate doing that.

I'm pretty sure constructive abandonment constitutes a fault. Cause you know if your spouse isn't reciprocating any of the effort from couples therapy or any other options and nothing changes, you're pretty much at the point of 'leaving the matrimonial relationship/making the matrimonial relationship impossible to continue.'

 

[DarthOne]

Public spaces in Britain, including billboards and advertising space in trains, is already plastered with agitprop promoting mass migration as revenge for colonialism. The niceties are being dispensed with. The lies about economic and social benefits are being dropped.

 

[DarthOne]

8 illegal migrants were caught with illegal guns, drugs, and a 7-year-old in a Bronx apartment.

They were squatting but since they were there for 30+ days, they automatically became legal tenants due to NY law.

The owner is trying to evict them.

6 out of 8 were released without bail and are back to squatting. These illegals are tied to robberies and one of them is a convicted attempted murderer.

 

[DarthOne]

JUST IN:

Home owners in the UK have been told that "compulsory selling of home" will be enforced to house illegal migrants ...

Elderly people are being told their houses are too big for them and they need to sell.

This must be a joke.

 

[SoliFortissimi]

At this point, the only difference between the Conservatives and Labor is that Labor are louder about progressive policies, and Conservatives about The Trans Issue.

 

[DarthOne]

At this point, the only difference between the Conservatives and Labor is that Labor are louder about progressive policies, and Conservatives about The Trans Issue.

So like Democrats and Republicans then

 

[DarthOne]

#BREAKING A Texas National Guard soldier deployed from McAllen to Eagle pass under Operation Lonestar was busted for attempting to smuggle an illegal immigrant in a government vehicle on Sunday.

Kinney County Sheriff Brad Coe says the soldier turned around when he approached a pop-up tactical Border Patrol checkpoint off 674 in Kinney County that had only been operational for a few days—The behavior alerting agents who attempted to stop the suv—The sheriff says Texas DPS got involved with the pursuit and used spike strips which ultimately stopped the vehicle.

KCSO assisted in the stop—TX DPS is currently investigating but sources tell me the soldier did not have access to the license plate readers or other technology that would have aided him in his efforts. He was armed so that escalated the smuggling charge. Sources say he was promised $5-6k to transport that one individual.

I have reached out to DPS and Governor Abbott's office for comment but have not heard back.

#EXCLUSIVE via KCSO

This goes on more than you think! So many compromised military, DPS, and deputies in that area according to locals.

 

[SoliFortissimi]

So like Democrats and Republicans then

No, much worse. The decentralized nature of the US political system means that state level leaders can afford to be a lot more dedicated to their ideologies than in centralized Britain(or Europe in general).

IOW: The Founding Fathers strike again. It's like they were all prophets who anticipated every single way a democracy could go wrong and planned against it.

 

[Abhorsen]

So like Democrats and Republicans then

No. Like the DSA and the Democrats. The UK is far worse than the US. IMO, the UK has pretty much fallen. Basically, imagine if Biden was a Republican, just as popular, and the opposition were avowed socialists.

 

[DarthOne]

No. Like the DSA and the Democrats. The UK is far worse than the US. IMO, the UK has pretty much fallen. Basically, imagine if Biden was a Republican, just as popular, and the opposition were avowed socialists.

...I swear to God, if we have to go save the British's backsides one more time, we might as well make them a state.

Though I'm almost tempted to let the UK fall (with some people who aren't total leftoids being saved of course) and save the rest of Europe, while leaving the UK and those who voted for this as an example for the next 10,000 years of WHAT NOT TO DO.

 

[Zachowon]

Yeah..it's the National Guard.
They are Texas Residents, so possibly have reasons to bring immigrants in

 

[DarthOne]

Yeah..it's the National Guard.
They are Texas Residents, so possibly have reasons to bring immigrants in

What part of ‘smuggle’ didn’t you get?

 

[Abhorsen]

...I swear to God, if we have to go save the British's backsides one more time, we might as well make them a state.

Though I'm almost tempted to let the UK fall (with some people who aren't total leftoids being saved of course) and save the rest of Europe, while leaving the UK and those who voted for this as an example for the next 10,000 years of WHAT NOT TO DO.

I'll be honest, I've zero interest in saving Europeans from their own actions. They voted for immigration. They vote for socialism. I don't want more of that in the US.

The people I want in the US are those fleeing communism who know it's evil, not those fleeing the consequences of their own actions.

 

[DarthOne]

I'll be honest, I've zero interest in saving Europeans from their own actions. They voted for immigration. They vote for socialism. I don't want more of that in the US.

Thing is, most of them didn’t. If just that they were promptly ignored and it happened anyway.

The people I want in the US are those fleeing communism who know it's evil, not those fleeing the consequences of their own actions.

Agreed.

 

[Zachowon]

What part of ‘smuggle’ didn’t you get?

Yes.
It's a fucking Nasty Girl.
Texas residents

 

[Jormungandr]

Yeah, we're pretty much fucked in the UK.

The native population is pretty much seething and is a boiling pot, but we're being overwhelmed by rats coming over on dinghes, and our own politicians are making it a contest to see how many new ways they can fuck us over on a daily basis.

Most of our upper-echelons in the government are either foreigners themselves or are of a biased foreign background, and deluded and self-hating Leftists think that being part of what's basically a slow burning, ethnic genocide and being culturally pushed out of our own country is a good thing. The fucking morons don't realize they're frogs in a slowly boiling pot, ot they're so mentally fucked up or outright conditioned to be perfectly fine with it.

We've basically been culturally and socially castrated.

To be blunt, if we saw what would happen to us merely a century later, I genuinely wonder if we'd have actually fought Germany.