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[posh-goofiness]

It's going to be our job to train our kids to make sure that world doesn't begin and end in persecution of the unreligious and vice versa.

Have to disagree on this point in specific. The only way to turn around is to, you know, actually turn around. You don't do that with the people who've actively been destroying everything. So yes, they will need to persecuted, actively shunned, and ultimately removed. Were this 50 years ago gentle and patient means could have been employed while righting everything. No longer. Our children and grandchildren will need to be taught how to recognize and marginalize the poisonous ideologies of the day and to stamp them out hard. It will be a multi-generational and bloody process, unfortunately.

 

[willdelve4beer]

Latino Democrats Tout Migrants as Their Constituents

Latino Democrats Tout Migrants as Their Constituents

Demoratic Latino politicians say Biden must protect foreign migrants, regardless of damage to unhyphenated Americans and legal immigrants.

www.breitbart.com

All immigration needs to be stopped legal illegal until we get this sorted out not another single fucking person is allowed into this country. Anybody that's on a travel visa that's on a student visa that's on any kind of Visa kick the fuck out too. Dual citizenships kick the fuck out because they've been proven to be untrustworthy unloyal and subversive.

Funny - I missed the part where I, a fourth generation US marine, have been proven to untrustworthy, unloyal, or subversive. Similarly for my wife.


Then again, I'm never been much of a fan of Trump, being rather more of a libetarian politically, and traditional catholic in personal morality (or at least, I try to be, when I remember to bother). I guess that makes me a fifth columnist in your estimation?

Cool. Never got to be the edgy, moody, mask-wearing anarcho-rebel as a youth. Guess I get to give it a go now that I'm rather older, but apparently not much wiser.


Though mockery of your logical fallacies aside, you would need to ammend the constitution to so much as inconvenience those of us with dual nationalities. Good luck with that one.

 

[Jormungandr]

OMG...you had to sing. You poor creature. /s

From my point of view, a lot of people, especially the young, are looking for something to anchor themselves in. A sound, religious doctrine is a huge pull for them.

The fact that Islam presents itself as unapologetic is one of the reasons it does so well with recruiting young people. Well, that and the sheer indoctrination that goes on in the ME.

Christianity is getting better at 'recruitment' and numbers are going up for the young Christian population.

Both Islam and Christianity provide both boys and girls a stable role to fulfill. To grant them purpose and belonging.

I'm not going to argue about which one is better, I'm sure y'all know my perspective by now, I'm just pointing these things out b/c @Jormungandr and @Marduk are going to be very surprised when things shift heavily towards a MORE RELIGIOUS world than they are seeing right now.

It's going to be our job to train our kids to make sure that world doesn't begin and end in persecution of the unreligious and vice versa.

I think you're going to be unpleasantly surprised by reality, but I won't press the point any further.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

Have to disagree on this point in specific. The only way to turn around is to, you know, actually turn around. You don't do that with the people who've actively been destroying everything. So yes, they will need to persecuted, actively shunned, and ultimately removed. Were this 50 years ago gentle and patient means could have been employed while righting everything. No longer. Our children and grandchildren will need to be taught how to recognize and marginalize the poisonous ideologies of the day and to stamp them out hard. It will be a multi-generational and bloody process, unfortunately.

I agree with everything except the "persecution". Change that to prosecution, and we're pretty much in accord.

I think you're going to be unpleasantly surprised by reality, but I won't press the point any further.

Agree to disagree then.

 

[Marduk]

The fact that Islam presents itself as unapologetic is one of the reasons it does so well with recruiting young people. Well, that and the sheer indoctrination that goes on in the ME.

No, Islam is not having meaningful recruitment success in first world countries, in the secular Europe it in fact has a negative conversion ratio, as in more people convert away from Islam than to it.
What it succeeds at doing is build isolated enclave societies that are not fully exposed to the social, cultural and economic factors that add up to secularization, but this is only legally and economically viable due to idiotic state policies. And that's not recruitment, that's retention.

Christianity is getting better at 'recruitment' and numbers are going up for the young Christian population.

Didn't see those numbers, some small denominations are doing well, but that is overshadowed by continuing decline of the dominant Christian groups, and i would hazard a guess most of the former is at the loss of the latter.

Both Islam and Christianity provide both boys and girls a stable role to fulfill. To grant them purpose and belonging.

Islam for one doesn't ask anyone if they feel fulfilled with it, the consequence of being unhappy with it is social ostracism, if not outright violence.

I'm not going to argue about which one is better, I'm sure y'all know my perspective by now, I'm just pointing these things out b/c @Jormungandr and @Marduk are going to be very surprised when things shift heavily towards a MORE RELIGIOUS world than they are seeing right now.

World is such a big word. But that sounds like you are engaging in a "a farmer and his cow have 3 legs on average" kind of thing. Of course third world is not secularizing much and has higher population growth, so in a technical way you are right, but on the other hand that says little on what will happen in developed world touched by all the secularization factors.

 

[LordsFire]

Christianity is never going to be as dominant as it was in the past ever again. You and others need to accept that instead of banking on pure copium that there's going to be some magical renaissance in the near-future.

The sheer number of people who have been proclaiming 'God is dead' or similar atheist platitudes is hard to recount.

Yet while Atheism has been a cultural season more than once through history, it somehow always gets outlasted by Christianity.

You can claim this all you want, but it doesn't make it true.

 

[Jormungandr]

The sheer number of people who have been proclaiming 'God is dead' or similar atheist platitudes is hard to recount.

Yet while Atheism has been a cultural season more than once through history, it somehow always gets outlasted by Christianity.

You can claim this all you want, but it doesn't make it true.

All I can say is "good luck" because I genuinely think you're in for a shock in the future. shrug

 

[Cherico]

All I can say is "good luck" because I genuinely think you're in for a shock in the future. shrug

We are in an era of hard times my friend.

During such times people tend to seek solice in religion if its not christianity then its going to be another religion. Its not going to be athesim because that doesnt give you a community, it doesn't provide structure, it doesn't give purpose it doesn't do anything to fill the hole in peoples lives.

It asks nothing it gives nothing and thus will be abandoned for things that give something.

 

[Marduk]

We are in an era of hard times my friend.

During such times people tend to seek solice in religion if its not christianity then its going to be another religion. Its not going to be athesim because that doesnt give you a community, it doesn't provide structure, it doesn't give purpose it doesn't do anything to fill the hole in peoples lives.

It asks nothing it gives nothing and thus will be abandoned for things that give something.

I think a large part of confusion about this stuff is that... not explicitely religious movements, ideas and associations have stolen a lot of the spotlight space that religion used to have in societies, in addition to outright secular political ideologies taking a larger part of general public attention than they ever did before social media. They are absolutely out there, arising, falling, fighting, but they aren't religions per se so no one makes the connection. For example, the whole green movement that is a recently risen star and has gotten quite a fandom recently. It's a semi-secular spin on ye olde druidism, yet no one calls it a religion, because legally its not and technically it at least isn't theistic so in western culture it's not usual for a religion. But i would say that functionally it kinda is a niche religion. It does show one thing, in current environment if new religions do show up, chances are they aren't going to resemble the currently declining ones much.

 

[Cherico]

I think a large part of confusion about this stuff is that... not explicitely religious movements, ideas and associations have stolen a lot of the spotlight space that religion used to have in societies, in addition to outright secular political ideologies taking a larger part of general public attention than they ever did before social media. They are absolutely out there, arising, falling, fighting, but they aren't religions per se so no one makes the connection. For example, the whole green movement that is a recently risen star and has gotten quite a fandom recently. It's a semi-secular spin on ye olde druidism, yet no one calls it a religion, because legally its not and technically it at least isn't theistic so in western culture it's not usual for a religion. But i would say that functionally it kinda is a niche religion. It does show one thing, in current environment if new religions do show up, chances are they aren't going to resemble the currently declining ones much.

Modern periods are always a time of cults republican rome was much the same.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Modern periods are always a time of cults republican rome was much the same.

Damn Republicans have been failing for over two millenia now! 😭

 

[mrttao]

And you're not factoring into the amount of people who have become apostates from Christianity (and other religions). And, yes, atheists do breed -- someone born into an atheist or agnostic family is very likely to have children believing the same, just as growing up in a religious family will likely create those believing in religion.

How many kids did your atheist family have?
Both you specifically. And also extended family.

That sub replacement breeding rate in western nations is heavily atheists.
My own atheist family has experienced extreme contraction.
Many branches dying off due to either not breeding at all or terminating in a single lesbian/gay/incel child who won't breed.

The rare few who do have kids have 2 kids. which is not enough to continue the bloodline.

Meanwhile every orthodox family has 12+ kids

 

[Poe]

Christianity has survived wars and disasters that make the World Wars look like a kindergarten fight.

What exactly are you referring to here? The world wars are the largest, and deadliest, wars in European history. Christianity has, by definition, not survived worse let alone something so bad it makes WW2 seem like "a kintergarten fight."

 

[mrttao]

It was not the world wars that killed Christianity. At least not directly.
It was Christians insistence on being born sinful and bearing sins committed by others. It makes Christians supremely vulnerable to atrocity propaganda.

Thus it was super easy for my people to convince christians that they are born with the original sin of the "holocaust" for being white or christian. Which then expanded to the original sins of "slavery" and "colonization" and "all the wrongs of history"

You personally are responsible to all those things because you were born white or christian. Even if they happened long before your time.

Even though WW2 was really the fault of the communists (who coincidentally were all jew lead and financed). But instead the fault was laid entirely at the feet of the christians who voted in hitler for no reason what so ever (definitely not as an explicit reaction against communism)

Thus Christians happily self crucify in repentance for the "sins of their forefathers".
They fall over themselves showing how they repent for ancestral sins.

And no, I am not saying all jews are communists (but communist leaders are jews). The first thing the jewish communists did when they took over russia was slaughter the non communist jews who opposed them. (which they blamed on christians). Trying to exterminate christianity in russia was 2nd on their docket.

And Hitler initially had 150k jews fighting for him, because they believed in his war against communism. But for him, it was too little too late. His hatred of jews became too deep seated.

It is also annoying that the main financers of communism throughout the last 100 years all across the globe did not change. it is the exact same so called "jewish" (mixed bloods who self identify as jewish atheists) aristocratic families from europe. The rothschilds and their ilk. Who control worldwide banking and keep financing this shit all over the world. They orchastrated over 100 million deaths and nobody ever held them to task

 

[DarthOne]

Funny - I missed the part where I, a fourth generation US marine, have been proven to untrustworthy, unloyal, or subversive. Similarly for my wife.


Then again, I'm never been much of a fan of Trump, being rather more of a libetarian politically, and traditional catholic in personal morality (or at least, I try to be, when I remember to bother). I guess that makes me a fifth columnist in your estimation?

Cool. Never got to be the edgy, moody, mask-wearing anarcho-rebel as a youth. Guess I get to give it a go now that I'm rather older, but apparently not much wiser.


Though mockery of your logical fallacies aside, you would need to ammend the constitution to so much as inconvenience those of us with dual nationalities. Good luck with that one.

I admit I went a bit far with that part. But I do think that dual citizen ship is a bad idea and needs to be gotten rid of. Your loyalty doesn’t seem to be in doubt, assuming you’re telling the truth.

 

[Captain X]

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

I wonder at what point normies will consider it a glorified invasion.

 

[Captain X]

I wonder at what point normies will consider it a glorified invasion.

When it directly impacts them.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

When it directly impacts them.

Oh boy, given their complete lack of senses that might take a while.

 

[f1onagher]

Just expand the bussing operations. Nothing is ever a problem until it's your problem, so let's share our problem until it becomes everyone's problem.