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I am not simping for the rich. 99% of them need to be tossed at prison or worse.

However, Unions are:
1. based on communist idealogy
2. always turn extremely corrupt extremely fast
3. not effective at targeting the rich
4. are effective at targeting mid sized business.

Furthermore, you argue that right wingers should "court" the corrupt liberal unions (aka kickbacks and corruption).
And assert that anyone who does not do so is "a simp for the rich"
And assert that the only reason unions are liberal is because the right does not court them...

this is utter stupidity.
You are basically falling into the fallacies of:
A. "only two approaches / solutions exist"
B. in every conflict, one side must be good and the other side evil.

Then you argue that because of those fallacies, since the rich are evil, then unions must be good.
When in fact it is evil vs evil. And unions tend to be more of a way for union leadership to rape the commoner laborers while collaborating with the rich.

Unions always push contracts that:
1. forbid non union workers
2. forbid competing unions
3. mandate minimum tithe to the union
4. structure pay based on seniority

in effect becoming parasites that forcibly steal away a % of the income of workers. while openly supporting the enemies of the workers who are forced into those unions they hate.
and punishing or rewarding union members based on ideological views (woke cultists) or connections.

TLDR. unions and rich are both evil.
Ahh I see what you mean yes Unions have alot of fucked up things and ties with the Mafia. So it would be great to clean that up if we had to work with them.

But alot of that is neccesary not good or evil just diffrent groups with interests. For instance the workers will have a higher wage and working conditions if they are rare as the more plentiful something is the cheaper it is to buy it. It's just supply and demand.

So a group of workers getting together do have an interest in
1. Forbidding non union workers the way it is done now is bad, instead the system should have it so that non union workers if they are get hired will not receive the benefits that the union negotiated for it's members.(Otherwise that incentivises free riders, just like how we see with NATO. If you can get the bennefits of joining without contributing why wouldn't you?)
2. This kinda makes sense for the Unions though? Since their strength is all the workers against the owner. If there were 2 or 3 or more unions that is great for the boss who can use divide and conquer strategy against the workers.)
3. Isn't this just the free rider thing? I mean I don't support REQUIRING workers to join the union, but if they don't join they shouldn't get the bennefits of the union right?
4. I don't know about this so I won't comment.

As for wokeism yes it is a problem, but that's a problem that infiltrated everything that worked with democrats and some republicans also.
 
Ahh I see what you mean yes Unions have alot of fucked up things and ties with the Mafia. So it would be great to clean that up if we had to work with them.

But alot of that is neccesary not good or evil just diffrent groups with interests. For instance the workers will have a higher wage and working conditions if they are rare as the more plentiful something is the cheaper it is to buy it. It's just supply and demand.

So a group of workers getting together do have an interest in
1. Forbidding non union workers the way it is done now is bad, instead the system should have it so that non union workers if they are get hired will not receive the benefits that the union negotiated for it's members.(Otherwise that incentivises free riders, just like how we see with NATO. If you can get the bennefits of joining without contributing why wouldn't you?)
2. This kinda makes sense for the Unions though? Since their strength is all the workers against the owner. If there were 2 or 3 or more unions that is great for the boss who can use divide and conquer strategy against the workers.)
3. Isn't this just the free rider thing? I mean I don't support REQUIRING workers to join the union, but if they don't join they shouldn't get the bennefits of the union right?
4. I don't know about this so I won't comment.

As for wokeism yes it is a problem, but that's a problem that infiltrated everything that worked with democrats and some republicans also.
The whole problem with point 1 and 3 is that there is no legitimate reason why unions should have any say in how, why and when non-union workers and businessmen change the contracts between themselves. It's a private business deal between other people.
The fact is that unions by existing, being big, and getting some kind of gains do in fact affect the market in one way or another, and that also affects the non-union workers and their employers.
It would take the government to enforce the union's ban on giving non-union workers equal or better deals than union ones, and at that point there is no free market, there is union run socialist government only, who says that you can have a private business, but there is no competition in the labor sector, government and unions decide who should win and lose there, and in turn destroy any private business they don't like for any reason.

There is also a flip side to point 1 that no one likes to talk about. Non-union workers don't just benefit from union negotiated market standards, they also suffer from any problems caused by the unions, even when they are not in unions themselves. Lets say that in some business 90% of workers are unionized and they get too greedy, strikes too much and soon make it so that the whole business becomes unprofitable. The owner says fuck it, closes down the factory, and moves the operation to China. Will the union pay the non-union workers damages for the problem they caused them? Will it also pay damages for all the workers in all the companies above and below theirs in the supply chain who will also lose business and in turn lose jobs?
 
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The whole problem with point 1 and 3 is that there is no legitimate reason why unions should have any say in how, why and when non-union workers and businessmen change the contracts between themselves. It's a private business deal between other people.
The fact is that unions by existing, being big, and getting some kind of gains do in fact affect the market in one way or another, and that also affects the non-union workers and their employers.
It would take the government to enforce the union's ban on giving non-union workers equal or better deals than union ones, and at that point there is no free market, there is union run socialist government only, who says that you can have a private business, but there is no competition in the labor sector, government and unions decide who should win and lose there, and in turn destroy any private business they don't like for any reason.
Yeah, but going by your logic "It's a contract between themselves" the libertarian position is one we should take and that means "fuck those who want to restrict immigration." After all if a large ammount of poor from 3rd world nations come in who are willing to undercut the wages of the locals "Oh well that's just a free market.":sneaky:
 
Yeah, but going by your logic "It's a contract between themselves" the libertarian position is one we should take and that means "fuck those who want to restrict immigration." After all if a large ammount of poor from 3rd world nations come in who are willing to undercut the wages of the locals "Oh well that's just a free market.":sneaky:
Immigration is not a contract in most cases, and even if it was, it wouldn't be one between two private individuals. It's a legal process between a foreign private individual and the state, as represented by government officials, so there are two reasons why the free market argument is inapplicable there, government officials for one don't get to act as if they own the government like their own private business.
I would say nice try, but it wasn't, it was a very uninspired try.
Like it or not, there is no global free market, and certainly there isn't one in immigration of all things, even though some globalists like to tactically pretend otherwise for fun and profit.
 
Immigration is not a contract in most cases, and even if it was, it wouldn't be one between two private individuals. It's a legal process between a foreign private individual and the state, as represented by government officials, so there are two reasons why the free market argument is inapplicable there, government officials for one don't get to act as if they own the government like their own private business.
I would say nice try, but it wasn't, it was a very uninspired try.
Like it or not, there is no global free market, and certainly there isn't one in immigration of all things, even though some globalists like to tactically pretend otherwise for fun and profit.
I'm talking about immigrants already in here, and then business' wanting to bring in more. Stop arguing like a communist, and twisting things around for your benefit!
You argue for free market to prevent the common European/American man from being able negotiate in a good position against the owner, but then you say the free market doesen't apply to bring in immigrants. This is just neo liberal conservatives "this far and no further"
You are not consistent. Either follow the principles of the free market to it's conclusion like a libertarian, or say that the free market does not matter.
 
I'm talking about immigrants already in here, and then business' wanting to bring in more. Stop arguing like a communist, and twisting things around for your benefit!
The immigrants staying in here or being deported is a matter decided between them and the state, so again, poor try. I'm not twisting things, you are trying to expand libertarian "contracts between private individuals" logic to also including the fucking government itself being one, which it isn't in any libertarian's mind.
You argue for free market to prevent the common European/American man from being able negotiate in a good position against the owner, but then you say the free market doesen't apply to bring in immigrants. This is just neo liberal conservatives "this far and no further"
The common man has far more legitimacy in telling the government what to do than in telling another common man how to run his business. The government decides immigration policy, not private businesses.
You are not consistent. Either follow the principles of the free market to it's conclusion like a libertarian, or say that the free market does not matter.
Free market can only happen under free market law, and law is inconsistent between national borders. If that makes me inconsistent, so be it, if you can't see that logic, that's a you problem.
 
So talk it out with these groups individually, instead of doing politics with the subtlety of a blind bull.
Yeah, that's what I advocate make deals with groups. What do you think I'm talking about?

Were they? One thing that some mention is the rift between officers and enlisted in the military, and the outright geographical splits in police. Again, definitely a field to do politics on, in fact even more so than in the past, and definitely not something to be unconditionally supported as an organization, but its equally stupid to just throw it all away out of butthurt.
Does it matter if there is a "rift" if nothing comes of it and the enlisted will obey the officers as they always have in America and other Anglo and Northern European states.

Not nearly all of them though. Again, what's the point of outright retreat from positions that are being contested?
Who said anything about retreat? Look think about it, the left managed to get the army to obey them while spitting on them and calling them baby killers. Do we really need to pay them so much if they are willing to be cucked like that?

They do have the reputation of such and use it for effect. The fact is, groups of ideological zealots are practically impossible to infiltrate to a point of takeover. You can get few spies and agents here and there, but they will have to hide and work in conspiracy, which carries its own limits, instead of just doing open activism like leftists could with liberal institutions and running straight for positions of power en masse with the liberals being deprived of their institutions standing there like a deer in headlights. As far as leftists are concerned the institutions have to be purged at minimum on the leadership level through heavy handed use of government power, or alternatively completely collapsed, by whatever means, and have their conservative replacements built from scratch on the ruins.
The military and police in blue states may need a process similar to what some ex-communist countries did with their armed and civil services.
Yes that last thing you posted was the best thing you've ever posted!

True, but not a valid example of why such people should be thrown away. The sneaky open borders pushing these people do is the reason, the Palestine lobby can go to hell as far as Ammerican interests are concerned.
Sure so long as the Israel lobby also goes to hell. As that has been more harmful to American interests.

We can't, not without sacrificing the ideals you mentioned, which again are not representative of the US patriots and nationalists in full.
These people didn't protest when leftists were pushing this shit on American's children, they only got angry when the leftist shit started to get pushed on their foreign enclaves. In fact they are more than fine with all the other leftist society destroying initiatives because they directly benefit from them, starting with open borders and affirmative action, they only get mad if those get aimed at them specifically, like in this example. Knife bad when i get stabbed with it, knife good if it is used to stab someone i hate. As such they are useless as allies for the right, the right knows that they are a separate society that should not be there in the first place, and they know it too, and both groups will act accordingly and expect the other one to. There is little in the way of shared interest, and no shared future, and so there can be no trust.
You only want them as allies because your personal, fringe of a fringe infatuation with the idea of religion based society, which they share in a way.
I'm not sure if I approve of a Pole saying American citizens belong or don't belong in America that isn't your choice to make it's ours.

Also do you have any proof that the people of Dearborn are hostile to American ideals like the 1st or 2nd amendment? Besides them being "radical mooslems"?

And yes various racial minorities have supported the democrats. But you can't single out Arabs and Muslims solely, blacks have done it, Latinos, and even Asians(which is the worst imo)
Now we can look at why this is, I doubt all these groups just hate white people. So I would lean that conservatives HAVE supported some racism in the past. Obviously history is complicated but the conservative side needs more than just white men to win a popularity contest so that's why I advise doing things to get support from Asians, Arabs, Latinos if we can, and hopefully blacks if we can get them to leave the democrat plantation.

The immigrants staying in here or being deported is a matter decided between them and the state, so again, poor try. I'm not twisting things, you are trying to expand libertarian "contracts between private individuals" logic to also including the fucking government itself being one, which it isn't in any libertarian's mind.
What? No again the default state is them not being deported unless there is a crime they do. So a company can lobby to increase immigration, if they do that wages will go down. Because more people are coming in which means there will be less of a slice of the pie. This is basic common sense why do you think the Romney type Republicans are soo chummy with the left? They only care about low ta and bussiness interests.
The common man has far more legitimacy in telling the government what to do than in telling another common man how to run his business. The government decides immigration policy, not private businesses.
Again the company owner also lobbies because it's in their interests. You either support free market as an ideal or you don't. If you do then you should be libertarian because a larger economy is good. If you don't support it as an ideal(that does not mean you hate it or anything) then you will support free market if it helps you and oppose it if it is against your interests. The common man is theoretically helped by workers acting as a collective(assuming no corruption and other shennanigans) thus might as well support the unions since I'm a common guy who does not own a company.
Free market can only happen under free market law, and law is inconsistent between national borders. If that makes me inconsistent, so be it, if you can't see that logic, that's a you problem.
The bussiness is not doing bussiness there it is doing bussiness here. Libertarians advocate for free market law here in our borders.
 
Unions are overwhelmingly beneficial - there's a reason why the US economy's strength and union strength largely coincided.

There are certainly problems with unions - there are with all systems - but unions are largely just plain good. You get the benefits of better regulated pay, with most of the downsides of government regulation eliminated.

Free market can only happen under free market law, and law is inconsistent between national borders. If that makes me inconsistent, so be it, if you can't see that logic, that's a you problem.

This is very important and something a lot of people ignore.

Free market has benefits - but you should never extend the benefits of a free market system to foreigners whose governments refuse to play by free market rules. You respond to mercantilism with mercantilism.

The bussiness is not doing bussiness there it is doing bussiness here. Libertarians advocate for free market law here in our borders.

Its a simple conclusion from tragedy of the commons game theory - you do not extend the right to use of the "commons" (free market) to people who are not helping to maintain it.
 
Browsing around YouTube... yup, MSM and the Irish government are screeching about "far-Right" being the culprits and looters, while the comments from everyday people, aside from the obvious Leftists, are like, "yeah, this was going to happen. If everyone is 'alt-Right', doesn't that make them the mainstream instead?".

Looks like people are waking up. Finally.
 
Browsing around YouTube... yup, MSM and the Irish government are screeching about "far-Right" being the culprits and looters, while the comments from everyday people, aside from the obvious Leftists, are like, "yeah, this was going to happen. If everyone is 'alt-Right', doesn't that make them the mainstream instead?".

Looks like people are waking up. Finally.

Eh were not there yet just the beginings of things.
 
Unless they politically organise, they'll probably just end up as a bloody shirt for SF to wave in the election.

The interesting thing isn’t the crime*, it's the fact that it's on the main page.

*with that said, why is it always the Pakistanis? It's never Indian Muslims, or Bangladeshis, or even Iranians.
 
Don't think it'll matter. If anything, the elites will now double down to avoid ceding ground to the unwashed masses/fascist mobs/whatever.
You are right.
And all that will do is make the people more and more enraged.
You also are right.

This time it change notching,but maybe thanks to that,after EU collapse,we would have few cjhristian states,including Ireland,not only muslim caliphates fighting over which one is real.
 
They'll be about as Christian as Putinist Russia.

At present, we have no idea about how or when that will happen.
1.Sadly,true.And i hoped for new Charlemagne...

2.When after WW2 boom generation go retired,and state fund in all european states would not have money for them.
Even if they agree to kill all old people like in Belgium,there would be still no money for muslims.Which mean cyvil wars and fall of EU.
Considering everything - about 2030 or earlier.
 
Unions are overwhelmingly beneficial - there's a reason why the US economy's strength and union strength largely coincided.
No.

Unions were *initially* a natural and needed balance to the increasingly corrupt 'captains of industry' in the second generation of the 'gilded age,' but became far more corrupt and destructive than what they had initially been formed to fight within a couple decades.

They were key to crippling American industrial power, have almost all been bought and paid for subsidiaries of the Democrat party for most of a century, and were hotbeds of communist subversion for much of the Cold War.

Not to mention that public sector unions in particular are *so terrible* that even *FDR* said they should be illegal.

Unions are one of the most corrupt types of institution in the USA these days, and that's putting it up there with some *stiff* competition.
 
I really don't think Unions are a net positive.

For the initial 'shit is really bad' they're great.

But they quickly spiral into this corrupt monstrosity, that cares more about the Union existing than the Worker's rights. Like a fat tick they leech off of the workers and the corporation. In the worst cases they also foster a tribal mentality.

Sure they 'negotiated' an extra $5 a week in your paycheck, but Union dues went up $1 a week too. Oh, the CEO of the Comapny and a Local Politician were spotted with the Union Rep out on their 40 ft catamaran luxury yacht. I wonder if kickbacks were involved...
 
Yeah, that's what I advocate make deals with groups. What do you think I'm talking about?


Does it matter if there is a "rift" if nothing comes of it and the enlisted will obey the officers as they always have in America and other Anglo and Northern European states.


Who said anything about retreat? Look think about it, the left managed to get the army to obey them while spitting on them and calling them baby killers. Do we really need to pay them so much if they are willing to be cucked like that?
Not the left. The globalist elitists who the "eat the rich" crowd that shouts "no borders, no nations, no deportations" hates as much as we do, just for different reasons.
As for what comes out of it, well, every time someone tries to use the army on civilian population, as long as there is a rift as opposed to unity, that someone will really have to think again. Isn't that better than the opposite situation?
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I'd like to remind you that the decision on how much they are paid are made by the same people who picked their flag officers to be people ok with virtue signalling.
I don't want them in charge of the military but with lower budget, i want them fired from government forever.
Yes that last thing you posted was the best thing you've ever posted!
Well, it is something that was tried and more or less worked.
Sure so long as the Israel lobby also goes to hell. As that has been more harmful to American interests.
No, we have discussed this, yes, in isolationist fringe's idea of those interests, probably, but for more realistic kinds of foreign policy factions, no.
I'm not sure if I approve of a Pole saying American citizens belong or don't belong in America that isn't your choice to make it's ours.

Also do you have any proof that the people of Dearborn are hostile to American ideals like the 1st or 2nd amendment? Besides them being "radical mooslems"?
I'm pretty damn sure that view puts you in minority on the right.
Look at their voting records if you want to know more. Get back to me when they stop voting for Democrats.
And yes various racial minorities have supported the democrats. But you can't single out Arabs and Muslims solely, blacks have done it, Latinos, and even Asians(which is the worst imo)
Again, get some fucking numbers instead of trying to preach your fantasy vision of the world.
By numbers Blacks are the absolutely most hardcore DNC cheerleaders, so everyone can see you are trying to bullshit them. Asians are only slightly worse than Hispanics, Muslims are slightly worse than Asians, Hindus are almost as bad as Blacks.
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Now we can look at why this is, I doubt all these groups just hate white people. So I would lean that conservatives HAVE supported some racism in the past. Obviously history is complicated but the conservative side needs more than just white men to win a popularity contest so that's why I advise doing things to get support from Asians, Arabs, Latinos if we can, and hopefully blacks if we can get them to leave the democrat plantation.
The problem is that if the conservatives are to conserve anything, the future of relations with groups that don't assimilate is set to be hostile. You can lie about it now, but it is what it is, and with Muslims, we know how the assimilation question goes, many countries have volunteered as lab rats in that, do not waste their sacrifice and learn from it.
What? No again the default state is them not being deported unless there is a crime they do. So a company can lobby to increase immigration, if they do that wages will go down. Because more people are coming in which means there will be less of a slice of the pie. This is basic common sense why do you think the Romney type Republicans are soo chummy with the left? They only care about low ta and bussiness interests.
No, the default state is that they need to have a valid visa, and the government has a policy on which visas should be granted/extended and when. Those who do not have a valid visa are legally supposed to leave or else be deported.
That's the normal, legal immigrants at least, the more humanitarian law exploiting stuff like asylum seekers needs to get curbed near completely.
Again the company owner also lobbies because it's in their interests.
For some of them. But they aren't in charge of it, they lobby those who are. And so do many other factions. Those who are in charge can tell them to fuck off.
You either support free market as an ideal or you don't. If you do then you should be libertarian because a larger economy is good.
Stop telling libertarians how to be libertarians, you are not libertarian, i don't tell you how to do your politics. No, larger economy is not good unless you own a massive company or are a politician. I'd rather live in Switzerland than in India, even though India has much larger economy.
If you don't support it as an ideal(that does not mean you hate it or anything) then you will support free market if it helps you and oppose it if it is against your interests. The common man is theoretically helped by workers acting as a collective(assuming no corruption and other shennanigans) thus might as well support the unions since I'm a common guy who does not own a company.
Only retards and neoliberals want to act as if global free market existed even though clearly it doesn't. Libertarians want to set up something as close as possible to free market in the country they run for office in, rather than give sweetheart trade deals to sweatshop lands, the latter is the neoliberal agenda.
If you look at what major unions in USA do and who do they support and in turn get supported by, only someone who supports the DNC could come to a conclusion that they help the common man.
The bussiness is not doing bussiness there it is doing bussiness here. Libertarians advocate for free market law here in our borders.
Yes. But that's where the free market is supposed to stay. Only neoliberals want to pretend that the lands beyond the border also should get the benefits of free market even though they would never really return them to their compatriots.
 
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I still find it incredibly saddening to know that the only thing making people question immigration/multiculturalism is a stupid blood-cult war across the sea.
That's like people getting pissed off at fiat currency because there's coin clippers in China or something.
 
I still find it incredibly saddening to know that the only thing making people question immigration/multiculturalism is a stupid blood-cult war across the sea.
That's like people getting pissed off at fiat currency because there's coin clippers in China or something.
Wait, people stopped questioning the whole death cult/drug business south of the border? Didn't know that one.
 

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