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Captain X

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Naturally Democrats don't care about that, any more than they did about illegals coming across during the shut-down, or about their vax status when they were coming in while they were trying to push through the mandates. It's all about compliance, but only for us. The illegals are here to disrupt and to help them cheat elections.
 

Captain X

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Biden's press secretary doing her best to avoid being held to account for her "down by 90%" lie and being a rude asshole while doing so, like usual, Kari Lake calling her out on Twitter, and Katie Hobbs refusing to answer any questions, even from CBS reporters.
 

Husky_Khan

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Trump Era Border and Asylum Restrictions are to be put in place as the pandemic era regulations of Title 42 were about to expire and thus provoke a massive surge of migrants across the border into America from Mexico.


A surge is still expected though so while the Biden Administration decided on sending 1500 troops to the border for clerical and office work, Texas Governor Abbott is continuing to deploy hundreds of Texas National Guard troops to secure that States border including a Quick Response Force equipped with riot gear to reinforce border crossings.



Hopefully this post doesn't age terribly.
 
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Husky_Khan

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Lots of statistics I'm sure can be pulled up on how Immigrants enrich America and commit less crime and it's probably true. The American immigration situation is different from that of Europe. The Europeans are getting scads of Middle Eastern and African boat people drifting in.

If some Syrians and Afghans end up in America legally, it's likely after months and years of vetting by the US Government and oftentimes it's due to their relationship with the US Government. Bringing some Iraqi interpreter who worked with the military for years, or an Afghan government bureaucrat to America is pretty different from the tens of thousands of Somalis that charity organizations brought in huge groups back in the 90's and are now forming ethnic gangs and engaging in violence similar to the horror stories you hear about in many European countries.
 

Marduk

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Not news per se, but a comment:

That's some kind of head in clouds libertarianism i see here. Some more realistic libertarians have noticed decades ago that when push comes to shove, they will never have a libertarian country without a heavily libertarian voter base... and what kind of politics do these immigrants vote for? One can be a dreamy idealist and imagine they will vote libertarian for their cheering, or be a realist and look what the ones already in and the ones left behind generally vote for... and it tends to be the opposite of libertarian policies.
Why would libertarians support importing more voters who are overwhelmingly socialist? It makes no bloody sense, in that regard, like it or not, they are in the same boat with the nationalists. And any change in that would go against economic self interest of these migrants - in terms of personal economics, they are in a position to take the most out of a welfare state (being poor and classified for minority perks in places where those are a thing), while paying little or nothing into it.
Lots of statistics I'm sure can be pulled up on how Immigrants enrich America and commit less crime and it's probably true. The American immigration situation is different from that of Europe. The Europeans are getting scads of Middle Eastern and African boat people drifting in.

If some Syrians and Afghans end up in America legally, it's likely after months and years of vetting by the US Government and oftentimes it's due to their relationship with the US Government. Bringing some Iraqi interpreter who worked with the military for years, or an Afghan government bureaucrat to America is pretty different from the tens of thousands of Somalis that charity organizations brought in huge groups back in the 90's and are now forming ethnic gangs and engaging in violence similar to the horror stories you hear about in many European countries.
Also there is another aspect to it - "Muslim problems" generally increase exponentially with the area's concentration of islamic population. America with it's what, 2% or less is, as expected, relatively low on them, still had quite a few though, due to sheer size of the population though. It's still nowhere near France's ~10% or Germany's ~8%, and if that number got upscaled to similar proportion in US population, compounded with similar sourcing filter, the results would be extremely noticeable.
 

Aldarion

Neoreactionary Monarchist
That's some kind of head in clouds libertarianism i see here. Some more realistic libertarians have noticed decades ago that when push comes to shove, they will never have a libertarian country without a heavily libertarian voter base... and what kind of politics do these immigrants vote for? One can be a dreamy idealist and imagine they will vote libertarian for their cheering, or be a realist and look what the ones already in and the ones left behind generally vote for... and it tends to be the opposite of libertarian policies.
Why would libertarians support importing more voters who are overwhelmingly socialist? It makes no bloody sense, in that regard, like it or not, they are in the same boat with the nationalists. And any change in that would go against economic self interest of these migrants - in terms of personal economics, they are in a position to take the most out of a welfare state (being poor and classified for minority perks in places where those are a thing), while paying little or nothing into it.
Because many libertarians (thinkers as well as on the street) are so focused on the liberty aspect that they forget what is necessary to have that liberty. I myself have some rather pronounced libertarian leanings, but I have always avoided calling myself libertarian precisely because of those head-in-the-clouds types...
Both are kinda right. TRL's point works if we are talking about small numbers of people. It falls flat on its nose when tens or hundreds of thousands are concerned.
True to an extent, but "easy path" and "small numbers" are kinda mutually exclusive...
 

PsihoKekec

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I myself have some rather pronounced libertarian leanings,

Aren't you a monarchist?

also

Biden DHS Coordinating Illegal Immigration In-Flows with Mexico

Over the course of several recent days in this northeastern Mexican city when perhaps 3,000 immigrants a day swam over to Brownsville with no opposition on either side, a curious pattern became evident. At some sort of signal from the Mexican immigration officers, a group of about 100-150 from the crowd would suddenly stand in unison and rush down the riverbank, past the immigration officers, and swim over to America.

It turns out that this pattern was far from happenstance. The Center for Immigration Studies asked several of the Mexican immigration officers what was going on and learned that President Joe Biden's Department of Homeland Security has been coordinating these mass swims with Mexico's immigration service, INM, at high levels on an encrypted Whatsapp channel.
 
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Doomsought

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Because many libertarians (thinkers as well as on the street) are so focused on the liberty aspect that they forget what is necessary to have that liberty. I myself have some rather pronounced libertarian leanings, but I have always avoided calling myself libertarian precisely because of those head-in-the-clouds types...
Having family that were fairly heavily involved in the libertarian party, I can tell you what killed it: Pot heads. The small government policies included soft drug policies, which attracted pot heads like flies to shit. The problem is that pot heads don't care or thing about much of anything other than their pot- and also some left wing policies that promise they could smoke their pot without having to work for it.

Many of the philosophical founders of the libertarian party have abandoned it because the pot heads weren't gate keeped out of the movement.
 

Aldarion

Neoreactionary Monarchist
Aren't you a monarchist?
And what prevents a monarchist from being libertarian in many ways?
 

Morphic Tide

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And what prevents a monarchist from being libertarian in many ways?
The fact that you are making the state genuinely synonymous with a specific individual? Once you do that, it's an utter nightmare to have any check against abusing modern communication methods to exercise near-limitless on-paper power through a sprawling bureaucracy, like France did.

The divisions and restrictions of power absolutely must be formalized and on record to hold up with the volatility of modern population numbers and volume of goods necessary to maintain quality of life standards, or else "there's no law saying I can't X" swiftly creates a horribly socially corrosive power block.

Today's equilibrium-breaking power concentrations are in intelligence agencies that structurally require secrecy to do their job, private conglomerates accruing more wealth than many nations, and academic circles being infested with leftover Soviet shenanigans, but it's been the monarchs finding they can in fact accrue massive control over their lands or following private ties right down the drain in multiple periods. Most poignantly the "Enlightened Despot" absolute monarchs informed by the Enlightenment and dragging the whole of Europe into a culture-shattering bloodbath spawned by a fool thing in the Balkans.

Furthermore, every single word out of your mouth about "legacy" can be readily demonstrated to be shit with the Habsburgs, most Egyptian dynasties, Middle Eastern consanguineous marriages, and the prevalence of hemophilia. Every single time it becomes a major consideration for power, the inbreeding coefficient starts climbing quite dramatically. And elective monarchies are largely interchangeable with the modern concept of elected heads of state, differing solely by those casting votes which... Is usually the inbreeding-bait hereditary aristocracy.

Edit: To shorten it, monarchy simply does not scale properly to handle the modern world.

It worked when individual social circles could manage most of the demands of governance, because then there's visceral concern for reputation and consequences because the others involved are your friends and family and personal rivals. It does not work when the minimum required staff for any significant task of the state are so high that it takes a psychopath to stand parsing them on a regular basis leveraging the expectation of never seeing anyone involved again.

You need layers, you need to divide kinds of power, you need public influence over the process, you need to have the authority officially decentralized in ways that do not function with a systematically assumed "One Man On Top".
 
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Aldarion

Neoreactionary Monarchist
The fact that you are making the state genuinely synonymous with a specific individual? Once you do that, it's an utter nightmare to have any check against abusing modern communication methods to exercise near-limitless on-paper power through a sprawling bureaucracy, like France did.
Even during the age of absolutism, state was not "genuinely synonymous with a specific individual". And I'm talking about Austria-Hungary here, which is not so far removed from modernity that you can claim it was all an artefact of feudalism.

As for France, what you have written is... basically Revolutionary-age propaganda. Yes, Louis XIV wielded far more power than he should have. Yes, he centralized a lot. But despite all his efforts to concentrate power in his own hands, in practice he was still dependant on support of various factions such as the Church, the Parliament, the nobility and the people.
The divisions and restrictions of power absolutely must be formalized and on record to hold up with the volatility of modern population numbers and volume of goods necessary to maintain quality of life standards, or else "there's no law saying I can't X" swiftly creates a horribly socially corrosive power block.
Which again has literally never happened in any traditional monarchy. The only countries where such stuff has happened were a) socialist popular dictatorships and b) military dictatorships. In fact, when we look at three European monarchies that disappeared at the end of the 20th century (Germany, Austria-Hungary, Russia), only for one of them - Russia - one can argue that the monarch having too much power played a role.

And by the way, Germany was European leader in industrialization and standard of life in the 19th and early 20th centuries.
Today's equilibrium-breaking power concentrations are in intelligence agencies that structurally require secrecy to do their job, private conglomerates accruing more wealth than many nations, and academic circles being infested with leftover Soviet shenanigans, but it's been the monarchs finding they can in fact accrue massive control over their lands or following private ties right down the drain in multiple periods. Most poignantly the "Enlightened Despot" absolute monarchs informed by the Enlightenment and dragging the whole of Europe into a culture-shattering bloodbath spawned by a fool thing in the Balkans.
Today's equilibrium-breaking power concentrations are located in a) the banks and b) the media, none of which give any shit about the so-called "democracy"/"republic"/call-it-whatever-you-want, and which have successfully subverted literally all "democratic" governments to the point that said governments are knowingly and directly acting against the interests of their own people in the way that no monarch ever did.

Also, if you really think it was monarchs who caused the First World War, sorry, but you really need to brush up on your history... even the most superficial reading of actual events is enough to debunk that particular lie. If anything, monarchs themselves were the people who were most active in trying to prevent the war - literally all monarchs had engaged in very active efforts to maintain peace, both through official diplomatic channels and through private correspondence. None of them wanted war.

Problem was precisely in the fact that they couldn't go against their governments nor the public opinion. And it was public opinion that was decisive. The only thing you can say against monarchy is that having a figure as beloved as Franz Ferdinand was pushed the public to call for rather ill-conceived actions; but United States are not monarchy and they did the exact same thing in the aftermath of 9/11, invading not one but two countries on mere suspicion of having ties with the terrorists.
Furthermore, every single word out of your mouth about "legacy" can be readily demonstrated to be shit with the Habsburgs, most Egyptian dynasties, Middle Eastern consanguineous marriages, and the prevalence of hemophilia. Every single time it becomes a major consideration for power, the inbreeding coefficient starts climbing quite dramatically. And elective monarchies are largely interchangeable with the modern concept of elected heads of state, differing solely by those casting votes which... Is usually the inbreeding-bait hereditary aristocracy.
Yeah, no. There is literally no reason why monarch's spouse has to be from a royal family. In fact, for most of the Middle Ages that was not the case - it was only when royal families became obsessed with gaining land through marriage and consolidation meant that the number of states in Europe had dropped significantly, that inbreeding became an issue. And even then it wasn't so bad that it significantly impacted their ability to rule (except perhaps for some of the Habsburgs).

For Egyptian dynasties, their inbreeding was a product of religion, not the fact they had monarchy. As for Middle East, they have inbreeding there, monarchy or no monarchy. And breeding with goats and other fun stuff. All of which, by the way, was much less of an issue while they were under monarchies than later when they became ruled by dictators, and even said dictators were arguably a better choice than later democratic governments.

And no, "elective monarchies" are not interchangeable with the elected heads of state because a) you do not expect to elect another monarch until one in power has died (and usually not at all if said monarch has any kids at all) and b) monarch has moral and traditional authority that an elected head lacks.

So in conclusion: please learn about some historical monarchies, rather than just reading what is essentially post-French-Revolution anti-monarchist propaganda.
 

TheRejectionist

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Meloni's Italy is not doing great in immigration either :



This the head of the (nationalist)Communist Party. Not to be confused with Communist Re-foundation or any other off-shoots of the ICP.
 

DarthOne

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Majority Of Germans Say Migrants Bring More Problems Than Benefits, Want Limit On Refugees


A new poll shows that a slight majority of Germans are turning against mass immigration, with 52 percent saying that they believe Germany should "take in fewer refugees," an increase of 12 points since January 2020.

The results come just a week before a long-awaited migration summit that will involve federal and state governments meeting in Chancellor Olaf Scholz's office to discuss the ongoing crisis.
The poll, conducted for Infratest Dimap on behalf of ARD Tagesthemen and Die Welt, also asked respondents whether they see migrants as bringing more advantages or disadvantages. For 54 percent, they said the disadvantages of immigration outweigh the advantages, while only a third said that the advantages outweigh the disadvantages.

However, when it comes to skilled immigration, Germans are more supportive. For this type of immigration, 41 percent said they would like to recruit more of these workers, while 28 percent said the number should be kept at the current level. Only 23 percent wanted to recruit fewer of these workers.

Germans have clearly soured on refugees, with just 8 percent wanting to take more in, while 33 percent said the numbers should stay at their current levels. Another 52 percent want "fewer refugees."

Alternative for Germany (AfD) voters are the least likely to support immigration, with 92 percent favoring restrictive policies. Meanwhile, 61 percent of FDP and 57 percent of CDU/CSU voters also want restrictions. Even one left-wing party takes a majority negative view on immigration, with supporters of Die Linke (Left Party) seeing more disadvantages than advantages (51 percent to 42 percent).
Polling on the topic of mass immigration has delivered similar results as of late, with a slight majority of Germans saying they do not want more immigration.

At the same time, the AfD party, most known for its stance against immigration, has hit a new high of 16.5 percent in national polls.

They need to send them, or most of them back. Still, its a start and I'm happy to see the AfD is gaining more support.
 

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