And Black Rock and the like very much love lots of regulation and huge bureaucracies that only they can afford lawyers and lobbyists to deal with.
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Aldarion
Neoreactionary Monarchist
They do actually, or at least they do in anything approaching natural conditions.
Historically, it was unusual for people to move between villages, let alone countries or continents. Multiculturalism is a pretty new development, even for supranatural empires.
State actually limits the tribal conflicts to an extent, by formalizing relations and introducing borders.
Yes, diversity is a symptom rather than a cause. But guess what, symptom can still kill you. The entire reason why Marxists promote diversity is because it gives them power.
There is a difference between people from different countries and people from different continents. Those "peoples who'd warred against Christendom for Centuries"... guess what, they were ethnically the same as the people they were fighting against. It wasn't even like Croats and the Serbs, it was literally Spanish vs the Spanish, with few Arabs sprinkled into the mix on the southern side.
As for bringing Jihadis in line, it is impossible for two reasons. One is that the West refuses to understand the nature of jihadism as well as what may have to be done to stop it. Second is that the West simply doesn't have anything to compete against the Jihadi ideology - liberalism is only really attractive for people with no life anyway (if everything is equally acceptable, why does anything matter?).
Reconquista Spain was a) proudly Christian and Spanish and b) very, very ruthless in enforcing the new rule. There is a reason why the Spanish Inquisition became such a meme, you know. Current West is a shambling Romero zombie by comparison - no brain to believe in things, no heart to care about them, and no energy to do anything anyway. And people who believe and do the most are dead set on destroying anything good that still remains from the Western past.
Sorry for the late reply BTW, I must have missed it in notifications that had accumulated during one of my pauses from the board.
Yes, because hundreds of societies have collapsed because of customs duties. Oh woes.
And you can have resources by trade without literally destroying human society in the process. But yeah, above is why I see neoliberals and many of libertarians as leftists.
Morphic Tide
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And just 1% doing that ends up making a blurry border region in rather few generations because the children of the travelers spread their genes. Your statement relies on the absolute construction that there is a hard immutable line between the Germans and the French when large chunks of European history revolve around such a thing not being the case. To say nothing of historically instrumental cases of such behavior like the Normans where the French made a deal with a group of the very people who'd been outright raiding them to instead settled down and guard against their co-ethnics.
If anything it's even worse by your reckoning because of the land grant involved, today's rulers may be happy to house them but aren't giving land away to murderous looters as the initial Normans were entirely reasonable to expect to be.
I see you're completely clueless about why exactly Al-Qaeda could go to ground in Pakistan and the assorted genocides of post-colonial Africa. Again, how do you get from today's borders to the ethnostates your theory requires to function? The answer is the exact problems you're bemoaning of exploiting and slaughtering the ethnic groups not in power.
If you don't remove the cause it'll just make another problem, and in the meantime of answering this symptom you're looking at massive economic disruptions from how many sectors have come to rely on the cheap labor portion and an expensive bloody expulsion that wouldn't be needed if you weren't a racist fuckwit incapable of comprehending assimilation.
You're ignoring that the Arabs and Moors actually showed up in person, and the implication that they managed assimilation of the Spanish from an extremely outnumbered conquering elite. Both contra-indicate your point, as there were in fact Arabs and Moors who converted and the Spanish had to have converted to the Arab culture quite thoroughly to adopt the naming convention.
No matter how you parse it, the conversion of Muslims that led to "Jesus" being a common name among Hispanics is a demonstration that assimilation is possible, where your theory requires it not to be. You are demonstrably wrong, so much so that your own evidence requires you to be wrong to be true.
Our retarded elites are not "The West", Germany's breaking its system of government at the moment trying to keep the people that at least partially understand out of power. The general population still has values that drive them to consider certain things unacceptable, and that's not contrary to liberalism at all despite your insistence that it's synonymous with total hedonism.
And your theory does not function with just "our retarded elites make it politically infeasible", it requires it be actually impossible in all possible worlds.
How many societies have been incapable of sourcing their basic building materials locally within six months notice, as is the reason for British people to be deeply concerned about economic problems in Turkey? How many 1% trade duties do you think Taiwanese semiconductor manufacturing can take before digitized equipment becomes economically infeasible?
The industrial system cannot function with dozens of extra middle-men, and it failing creates a horrible mess that can easily result in billions dead because the only reason we can feed the current global population is the very system of international trade all those extra middle-men will break.
There's a reason the economy got a lot better when we moved from nationalist mercantilism to internationalist capitalism, and there's a lot of breaks that can be installed on the latter without giving up the actually important bits separating it from the former.
And here you are missing the forest for the trees.
Most of world trade today doesn't go by land borders anyway.
It works by freedom of navigation of the seas. No tariffs there, only in destination port...
Landlocked countries are rare, and those without non-landlocked allies tend to not do well.
Aldarion
Neoreactionary Monarchist
And you show that you clearly have no clue.
Few things you are ignoring:
- It was typically far less than 1% doing that.
- Genetic drift is a thing. Few generations in, you would have no traces of said movements.
- Again, travel was limited. So even such crossbreeding would be limited to border areas.
Without borders, Al-Quaeda could go anywhere, not just Pakistan.
Assorted genocides of post-colonial Africa happened because of a lack of borders, not their presence. Specifically, they happened because Europeans had introduced nation-states that ignored the ethnic makeup of the land.
But yeah, it is easy to call somebody clueless when you are just making stuff up.
Yes, being a genocidal globalist fuckwit incapable of comprehending reality and history is so much better.</s>
You need to remove the cause and the problem. And the economic disruption is well worth it, considering how said "cheap labor" heavily damages both the society it comes into and the society it comes from. Diversity is nothing but another form of genocidal imperialism, with globalist elites drawing off the most promising elements of the developing societies in order to screw over the people in the Western countries.
But you had swallowed the propaganda hook, line and sinker.
No, you just have no clue.
Again, Arabs and Moors showed up in person... in extremely small numbers. Majority of Spanish Muslims were always actual Iberian natives. And when the Reconquista happened, majority of the Arabs and the Moors left, even before the Inquisition and the expulsions.
And many of those that had remained did not, in fact, assimilate. Some did, sure. But the others went to the ground, attempting to disrupt the Spanish society from within. Terrorism, propaganda, providing information to hostile powers... that was normal behavior for many of the Arabs that had remained in Iberia. That behavior was the entire reason why the Spanish Inquisition even became a thing, and why it was so active and even cruel compared to the Papal / Roman Inquisition.
Learn your history before trying to debate, because right now your knowledge is on the kindergartener's level.
I am not talking just about our retarded elites. I am talking about the society itself.
Well, it really didn't get a lot better. You again completely misunderstand history.
Fact is that mercantilism is a tool of developing countries while liberalism is the tool of developed countries. Developed economies seek to have open borders in order to a) cheaply source the materials they need for their economy while b) economically dominating the developing economies.
In Europe, mercantilism was dominant economic thought from 15th until 19th centuries. Coincidentally, decline of mercantilism and increase in free trade and globalism coincided with... the First World War. Yes, the decade before the First World War saw the greatest level of economic and trade freedom in European history.
Anyway, your questions are dumb AF. 99% of trade goes by sea, so you should be asking "How many extra middle-men will actually appear without the free trade?". And answer to that question is "Between two and none".
LordsFire
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Big corporations in the 21st century have learned to love big government. Bribe the right officials, and you don't have to compete with smaller companies, because the government will pick you out as the winner through regulatory power.
Just look at all the companies who cozied up to the Obama administration to get themselves exemptions from the Obamacare mandate, along with other onerous regulations they implemented.
'Big regulation' helps big companies, not small companies, and this has been studied and known for decades.
Covid was another example of that thanks to all the mandates during the lockdown. Small businesses couldn't comply with the mandates and had to shut down completely, and thus couldn't afford to keep going. Big corporations like Walmart were the only ones to benefit because they could either meet all the Covid requirements, or were basically exempted from them.
Morphic Tide
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I'm not saying that's what you said, I'm saying that what you say requires that. I am attempting to beat a Reducto Ad Absurdum into your head, showing that your theory is little different from Communism in that it's not possible to arrive at because its premises are wrong.
If you give the expelled a state, the history suggests they'll be turning it against those who expelled them from their historic enclaves. As there's rather few of these cases with clean lines, that'll be enormous stretches of your world in such a situation, which will almost immediately turn into war as the grudges of the expulsion are resolved by conquest and slaughter.
Without borders, it wouldn't have worked because the US could hunt them down immediately. Without co-ethnics in the destination regardless of borders it wouldn't have worked because the locals wouldn't be obstructing investigation.
You're insisting your theory is more important than reality. It very much needed the borders to lock small peoples in with the big stick waving plurality. That they're the "wrong" borders does not change that they exist today, and something has to be done to make them stop existing.
Focusing on the cause leads to the symptom withering on its own with vastly less disruption, which any attention to the interruptions around COVID-19 will show is utterly essential to putting your theory into practice. Because anything that requires anyone of any importance to shut things down rapidly damages the incredibly difficult to repair system we need to feed ourselves, and these are projects that historically take years to get anywhere with universal violent pushback. For all the Trail of Tears' was rather completely impotent...
And this matters for the large masses of "Spaniards" who converted so thoroughly as to adopt the naming convention or the Arabs and Moors who did in fact convert to the "Spanish" culture why, exactly? Again, your argument relies on it being actively impossible to have a stable multi-ethnic society because assimilation is always bullshit, yet here you are highlighting a case where assimilation went so far that the "reversal" left a novel admixture crucial to why there even exists an overall "Spanish" identity instead of the fractious kingdoms the Arabs conquered.
It only looks that way because the elites force it to, the truth of the matter is that polling on the issues has shown that nearly the moment the migration happened the masses didn't actually want it. The roadblocks are politeness and non-violence, not incomprehension that Jihadis are an active enemy. Both of which are breaking down recently, with the AfD showing that what is practically ground zero for the worst of the brainrot is at risk of giving way.
Firstly, mercantilism actively opposes many highly efficient strategies to aid development like the Meiji Restoration's associated intake of European talent. You can't justify the trades needed for the technologies and skills to bootstrap under it because those entail horrible deficits for quite some time as you build up your own industry. It's a remarkably short-sighted and zero-sum economic policy for imperial ambitions long predating any notion of "developing versus developed" economies.
Secondly, liberalism isn't the economic policy, it's the separately-developed socio-political parallel to the investor-focused market economics of capitalism. Most of the same underlying thoughts, but not strictly interdependent as demonstrated well with the much different economic principles of socialism the socio-political Liberals so often take parts of. So you're making a rather significant category error with this statement.
...As if countries have never patrolled their waters to extract tolls. Even without getting into the likes of the Barbary Pirates, the entire reason we have the phrase "showing its true colors" is because naval rivalries were so intense that lying about your nationality was a routine business demand. It only works this way because of the United States Navy making it so, which cannot happen with the world locked to ethnostates as no one ethnicity alone can get that big a stick to force trade to go smoothly.
You keep making statements that require the "melting pot" never work, always being impossible, despite all the times it actually happened. Frequently despite the participants actively trying to avoid it. You think nation-states end conflicts in themselves, ignorant of how much of that revolved around welding local identities together in the very process you call genocide and seek to avoid while discarding hereditary aristocrats as foreign impositions and thus being mutually exclusive with the monarchies you so adore.
Typhonis
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Did Congress meet any of the Covid mandates or were they exempt as well? I think they were exempt from the vaccination shot.
DarthOne
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Which should have been much more of a wake up call to people
Yup, we're going to pander to the illegal muslim immigrants/'refugees' by not allowing our own citizens to keep their dogs wherever they may live. "Citizen, fuck you and shut up. Refugees welcome!"
…The celts need the anglos. Because they apparently turn into complete cucks without the Anglo boot to fight against.
Aldarion
Neoreactionary Monarchist
No, it does not require it.
And minorities always turn against the state they live in as soon as they think there is something to gain from doing so. Doubly so if they already have a state, but it is not the requirement.
Generally speaking, doing a "population exchange" to make ethnic and national borders match was the best hope for long-term peace between countries (e.g. post-World War 2 Eastern Europe, post-Greco-Turkish war Greece and Turkey). Whenever that was not done (e.g. post-World War 1 Eastern Europe, entirety of Balkans after either of the world wars) the outcome was instability, conflict and open warfare.
Yes, because United States have been oh so successful in hunting down Islamic terrorists in the occupied Iraq, Afghanistan and on their own soil.
When your ideas require actual fantasy to work, that does not speak well to their applicability to real world.
Yes, and without borders the small people would be locked in with the big stick waving plurality anyway, because most of them had no way of leaving anyway.
There is a reason why basically every intelligent social animal has territories and borders. Attempting to disregard millions of years of evolution for the sake of some religious ideals is sheer stupidity.
Cause is our own elites being genocidal control freaks who only care about their own power.
How do you solve that quickly enough?
Both of these categories, while extant, were in significant minority. And yes, it is impossible to have a stable multi-ethnic society... if people assimilate into new ethnicity, it is no longer a multi-ethnic society. But there is a limit on how many people a society can assimilate in a certain period of time, and how distant said people can be from the native populace for assimilation to be viable. Merely waving a flag and reciting an oath does not mean they have assimilated.
And considering Serbs did not assimilate into Croatia after 500 years, and that there are still practical psychological differences between genetic Croatians and Wlachs-assimilated-into-Croatian-ethnicity some 1300 years after arrival of Croats to these lands... yeah, there are some significant limits.
Problem is that majority of people are basically apolitical. It may be, as you said, politeness and non-violence, but it is a major issue.
You really have no clue, do you? Countries patrolled their waters, yes, but there always existed the concept of international waters - if for no other reason than because it is simply impractical to patrol everything.
And I never said nation-states end conflicts in themselves. I said that they limit and manage them, make them more predictable and less generally destructive. Also, nation-states and ethnicities are not one and the same. Nation-states are merely political expressions of will of ethnicity for statehood. Major advantage of monarchies is precisely that it divorces the ethnicity from political nationhood, thus removing one of major causes of conflict. Just for example, Croatian ethnicity first had two duchies (Pannonian and Maritime Croatia), then one kingdom (Croatia), then three kingdoms (Croatia, Slavonia, Bosnia)... but throughout all of this, consciousness of the common ethnic origin never went away. And when Croatian kingdoms accepted the Hungarian crown, they still retained basically all elements of their sovereignty - the only thing foreign about the 15th century Croatian government compared to the 10th century one was the fact that the king was a foreigner. But Croatia itself (or rather, each of three Croatian kingdoms) still kept its language, its culture, its laws, its army and basically all major signs of national sovereignty. Under a democratic system, where state basically equals the people, something like this is impossible. You either have an ethnic nation-state, or you have a tyranny. No in-between.
Google "personal union" if you still don't understand what I am talking about.
King Arthur really need to return now.I could undarstandt,that he sleep when Normans come,but this must be answered !
France,Germany - too.
And,since germans wins elections in Poland,and arleady are sending small numbers of rapists to us,in 2026,when they start that for real we would have rapists everywhere.
And people wery confused why that happen,when they woted for dude known as german agent....
Truly,we poles are nation of such geniuses,that i am shocked why we are still alive.
DarthOne
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