Oh, I get it was a separate case. I still want him prosecuted regardless though.@Abhorsen there was never going to be a prosecution, this was over a civil suit which has lower standards of evidence.
Oh, I get it was a separate case. I still want him prosecuted regardless though.@Abhorsen there was never going to be a prosecution, this was over a civil suit which has lower standards of evidence.
If you throw rocks, which are potentially lethal weapons, against someone with a gun - especially law enforcement which are carrying out their proper duties - then you have it coming. Throwing rocks at armed guys is trying to exploit someone else's mercy, by using attacks that could be potentially lethal but probably not you count on them being kinder than you and not using lethal force.
This is especially true at our borders where there is a literal invasion happening and the USA is experiencing an existential threat, lethal force is justified especially in response to potentially lethal force.
If someone attacks a LEO of any stripe, even if the attack is unsuccessful, they shouldn't be surprised if they get ventilated.The rock didn't even come close to him, and it was one rock.
The kid was stupid, but he didn't have it coming by any measure let alone being instantly headshot.
If someone attacks a LEO of any stripe, even if the attack is unsuccessful, they shouldn't be surprised if they get ventilated.
That's why we have Darwin Awards.think of it this way would you willingly pick a fight with a guy with a gun who was just doing his job?
This section on the CNN link nonetheless makes the second option far more likely than it would have been otherwise. How many of you peeps here "had a history of involvement with human smuggling and was on a list of repeat juvenile offenders" by the age of 15?The 15-year-old Mexican youth who was shot and killed by a Border Patrol agent had a history of involvement with human smuggling and was on a list of repeat juvenile offenders, U.S. Customs and Border Protection spokesman Mark Qualia told CNN Thursday.
If someone attacks a LEO of any stripe, even if the attack is unsuccessful, they shouldn't be surprised if they get ventilated.
think of it this way would you willingly pick a fight with a guy with a gun who was just doing his job?
This section on the CNN link nonetheless makes the second option far more likely than it would have been otherwise. How many of you peeps here "had a history of involvement with human smuggling and was on a list of repeat juvenile offenders" by the age of 15?
Yeah, right, just totally accidentally and innocently "playing" right on the border line, out of all places in Mexico...
That still doesn't make it right to kill people, and LEO's definition of 'attack' encompass literally anything. There's a reason resisting arrest is a joke of a crime.If someone attacks a LEO of any stripe, even if the attack is unsuccessful, they shouldn't be surprised if they get ventilated.
The kid here was already involved in human trafficking operations and was a repeat offender already. He was not innocent in the least and was likely acting on orders from a cartel or other bit of organized crime.First, it was a 15 year old kid who probably didn't understand english.
LEO's definition of 'attack' does NOT encompass 'anything', and you damn well know that. A rock can still kill or injure a LEO if they get hit in a bad spot.That still doesn't make it right to kill people, and LEO's definition of 'attack' encompass literally anything. There's a reason resisting arrest is a joke of a crime.
The kid here was already involved in human trafficking operations and was a repeat offender already. He was not innocent in the least and was likely acting on orders from a cartel or other bit of organized crime.
Worthy? No. Shocking, surprising or outrageous? Neither. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes kind of situation. Kid shouldn't have been where he was, doing what he was (in reality or as claimed), and it's not reasonable to expect border patrol agents to wonder in such heated situations whether the suspect is 15 or 18, or whether the criminal cross-border operation he's taking part in is sex trafficking or "just" ordinary human smuggling, as if that was easy to tell. On many borders in the world people get shot at for less than what he did. A border is not a place to fuck around like this, and if people do tempt fate like this, shit happens, and making it not happen would have far worse, wide reaching consequences.Yeah, people who are paid by illegals to get illegals into our country are human smugglers by definition.
It's not any evidence of something far darker like sex trafficking or slave trade. Not innocent by far, but not worthy of killing.
And I know several people who were involved with Juvenile offenses that aren't worthy of being killed like this.
Um, but it can? Seriously, LEO's aren't some unified block of only morally upright people. They have a variety of definitions of attack. Bad LEO's have a definition of attack including everything, and blindly believing what the government or its agents say is stupid.LEO's definition of 'attack' does NOT encompass 'anything', and you damn well know that.
But it wasn't anywhere near him. And the LEO also lied about how many rocks were thrown (claiming a barrage according to NPR). He then shot a kid. The only defense he legally had was the jurisdictional question.A rock can still kill or injure a LEO if they get hit in a bad spot.
And whether the kid was stupid is irrelevant to the fact that what the BP agent did was obviously morally wrong. He should be criminally punished for murder.Also, a general rule of thumb with LEO's is 'do what they fucking tell you to do, when they tell you to do it, and if they are in the wrong, take their ass's to court later'. Being combative with LEOs in the field is grade A dumbassery, which is why this fool earned a Darwin Award.
Worthy? No. Shocking, surprising or outrageous? Neither. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes kind of situation.
Kid shouldn't have been where he was, doing what he was (in reality or as claimed), and it's not reasonable to expect border patrol agents to wonder in such heated situations whether the suspect is 15 or 18,
or whether the criminal cross-border operation he's taking part in is sex trafficking or "just" ordinary human smuggling, as if that was easy to tell.
On many borders in the world people get shot at for less than what he did.
A border is not a place to fuck around like this, and if people do tempt fate like this, shit happens, and making it not happen would have far worse, wide reaching consequences.
There wasn't any rock.
Oh, I missed that. I'll edit what I said.Sorry mate, but there was a rock. Right before the gunshot you can make out a single rock being thrown way off course.
Sorta like the kid rolled a nat 1 on accuracy and the cop rolled a nat 20.
Not child. Teenager old enough to be a soldier (regardless of morality or legality of it) in some different times and places. If you want to be outraged, at least be outraged at the parents who seem not very interested in their kid's whereabouts or growing rap sheet for years, but now, when their kid got shot in process of adding another entry to it, they are interested in... suing for damages. Yes, that's it, money. In all fairness, Mexico should be charging them with child neglect, alongside any parents of underage cartel recruits.Yes it absolutely is outrageous.
It doesn't matter if they are mexican, the unnecessary killing of a child should always be outrageous.
Rocks being thrown, lots of unknown people around wtf knows what for...Heated?
What damn heat?
He pulled his gun instantly, one of the kids instantly complied and got on the ground and the either two hid behind a pillar.
How are you so sure, and how was the agent supposed to know he doesn't have a gun?He would have a gun if it was sex trafficking.
So what? Most of the witnesses probably made themselves scarce, and we're left with a shitty phone video. We'll never know for sure what happened, and we know that the agent knew even less.Like what?
We have zero evidence they were actually doing anything besides illegal crossing.
Not child. Teenager old enough to be a soldier (regardless of morality or legality of it) in some different times and places.
Hahahahahaha...
Not legally speaking. That wouldn't fly if you, a grown ass man, were to get into a fist fight with a fifteen year old girl.
Change the gender into a 15 year old boy and have the boy start the fight and it totally would legally fly. And I have seen those kinds of fights go down when I lived in the Barrio, the ghetto and trailer parks. You get guys who are full of themselves and start some thing with older people and some times they get pounded in the ground for their trouble.