you said that if you as a grown man had a fist fight with a 15 year old girl it wouldn't fly legally.
It wouldn't fly with a fifteen year old either, unless you got that proof I asked for?
And while your correct that a 15 year girl would get away with starting a fight because of double standards if a 15 year old boy started a fist fight with and adult and lost said adult probally is not getting into trouble.
Than you should have no problem of coming up with examples of 15 year old boys being charged as adults that don't involve homicide.
Being 15 does not make you immune to conquences expecially if you initiate violence because violence once started is unpredictable. On the other side I dont think you quite get how violence is worked out and dealt with when your in that lower income bracket in these dangerous areas.
I completely understand, I've done volunteer work in such areas after disasters.
What I do understand is we, as Americans, should be held to a higher standard.
Otherwise we would have just killed the prisoners we got in the war on terror.
Unless of course his defense fucking sucks ass. There are plenty of 15 year old's who gang banged, I grew up around them I heard about their funerals and saw that a lot of them didn't have a chance to grow up because of the lifestyle.
Yes, but that doesn't change the fact that they quite literally are still developing mentally. I do agree with the sentiment that the parents should be charged, if the cartel didn't basically force it.
Proportional violence is some thing you see in spars, and in honor duels. The response to violence that is started against you with no provication is overwelming because not responding like that invites more violence.
That is laughable.
What violence? That rock doesn't really qualify, there is no reasonable way you can convince me that someone competent enough to take one kid into custody and fire an accurate headshot like that is somehow so incompetent as to think that rock was anywhere near threatening.
It literally didn't come near him, and he should have clearly seen that.
To that type of personality mercy is not seen as mercy but as a weakness to be exploited. Violence as a deterance is a fact of life in many american cities and on the boarder.
This is true to a degree.
But that does not apply here. He wasn't under any threat, and already had one kid in custody that he should gotten out of there for safe processing. The cop didn't follow procedure, blantantly murdered a kid, and should get nailed for at least one of those.
And if you dont have that deterance a lot more people get hurt and die because that singles that your weak.
Deterrence doesn't work like this. It hasn't worked in literally every war we have participated in after World War 1. Why should I believe that it will suddenly work now?
This is just macho bullshit.
You are not dealing with the culture of a middle class suburb and if you keep that mentality in these rougher places you can get yourself and other people hurt.
Here is the thing. I think of the boarder like a war zone depending on the location.
One of the mods can verify via my IP address, I live in Yuma Az. I go around the border all the time. I am friends with guys working with boarder patrol. Good guys for the most part.
The thing you don't understand is that the cartels are engaging in what is basically guerrilla warfare in all but name. Deterrence doesn't work. They'll just get another 15 year old, drug them up and make him work to get another hit, or some other method. Maybe just money, something hard to come by for far too many in Mexico.
Literally no real loss for the cartel. The 15 year old is cheaper to them than the money people are paying for him to smuggle people across.
So we are entering the territory of legal technicalities, and dubious ones at that, so screw it - legally speaking, it didn't happen in USA, so case out.
No.
If he was a soldier in Iraq he could have gotten in a lot of shit, and last I checked border patrol falls under the DoD.
Would you defend yourself with deadly force from a 12 year old?
What if it was this 12 year old?
The Mexican army is hunting a 12-year-old assassin who is employed by a drug cartel to torture and murder its enemies.
news.sky.com
It's massive, famously nasty criminal organizations we are talking about here, on top of not so western culture that feeds them with recruits. You may want to throw away such "rules" of western middle class society before considering this world.
I would follow my training and put two rounds into his pelvic if he was armed. Yes, it can be fatal. In this case you would be correct, yes I am using potentially deadly force with the intent of capture rather than kill.
If he somehow continues, than I would go for lethal force.
If he was unarmed, I would give him a warning, follow my training. If he outright attacks me, I would again fire two to the pelvic. If he somehow continues, well, at that point he isn't going anywhere and I handcuff him.
The point is that you don't go right for the kill just because things get mildly aggressive. That isn't what we are trained to do.
