I get to conquer the Federation (SW and ST Crossover/SI)

Zachowon

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The Mandalorians aren't especially friendly to the Empire, outside of professional jobs by outliers here and there, like Boba Fett who shared a mutual, professional respect with Dark Vader. In fact, that whole 'no disintegrations' is pretty much the closest to Vader telling Fett that he knows what the latter is capable of too well.

Because right now, Mandalore is under Imperial occupation, after the Mandalorians joined the CIS towards the latter part of the Clone Wars.
I remember then being neutral until Satine was killed and tried to remain so but had (coming from Clone wars knowledge) the death watch being run by members of its government with Maul leading from another planet.

I dont remember them joining the CIS.

In pretty sure if the Empire gave the Mandos the ability to claim any planets they get as thier own (and from what we got in Empire at war expansion, they have some pretty damn good ships) in sure they would not mind the Empire being in charge.
 

Jaenera Targaryen

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In Legends, the Death Watch practically fell apart after Darth Sidious killed Oppress and captured Maul. This left a power vacuum that former ARC Trooper Spar stepped into, following the footsteps of Jango Fett (who personally trained the ARC Troopers before he died), founding the Mandalorian Protectors and taking up the mantle of Mandalore the Resurrector. They then joined the CIS out of hatred for the Jedi (as usual for the Mandalorians), and served as shock troopers.

And on checking further, yeah, while on paper Mandalore is under Imperial occupation and there's an Imperial Governor on the planet, it's just for formality's sake. Darth Sidious granted the Mandalorians amnesty in exchange for their assistance in the Great Jedi Purge.
 

Zachowon

The Army Life for me! The POG life for me!
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In Legends, the Death Watch practically fell apart after Darth Sidious killed Oppress and captured Maul. This left a power vacuum that former ARC Trooper Spar stepped into, following the footsteps of Jango Fett (who personally trained the ARC Troopers before he died), founding the Mandalorian Protectors and taking up the mantle of Mandalore the Resurrector. They then joined the CIS out of hatred for the Jedi (as usual for the Mandalorians), and served as shock troopers.

And on checking further, yeah, while on paper Mandalore is under Imperial occupation and there's an Imperial Governor on the planet, it's just for formality's sake. Darth Sidious granted the Mandalorians amnesty in exchange for their assistance in the Great Jedi Purge.
Wasnt that like very very very end of the war?

Mandalorians would be a great klingons distraction
 

Zachowon

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The Clone Wars has been over for a few years now. The Mandalorians along with Vader and the Inquisitorious among others are already busy hunting down the survivors of Order 66.
The Mandalorians have a large number if ships, at least to allow for them to be used in a distraction sort of way.
Mainky asking as I was wanting to use the same universe as your crossover for more stories once finish
 
Chapter 11

Jaenera Targaryen

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Well,” I thought to myself, as my Lambda Class Shuttle made its final approach towards the Eriadu Governor’s Palace, home and headquarters of Wilhuff Tarkin. The Grand Moff of Oversector Outer, and one of the few people in the entire Empire to command influence equal to – and in some ways, greater than – the Dark Lord of the Sith, Darth Vader. “Here we go.

It wouldn’t be my first time meeting the man, of course. Back during the Clone Wars, I’d attended many briefings and staff conferences with then-Admiral Tarkin in attendance. The trend continued after the Clone Wars, though he was no longer admiral by then, but Moff of the Seswenna Sector, before finally achieving his current post. This would be the first time I’d be meeting him one-on-one though, and given his reputation (and what I knew of the man from my memories of my past life), I could be forgiven some measure of…anxiety, at the coming evening.

That, and this would apparently be a dinner between the two of us, with only his household staff and our adjutants present.

Glancing out the viewport, I looked on as the shuttle circled once around the ziggurat-like structure of the Eriadu Governor’s Palace, before alighting on one of several landing pads built on and around the titanic structure. Undoing my safety harness, I took the lead out of the shuttle, trusting in my pilot and copilot to handle the shuttle’s disposition on their own. Sara followed my lead, of course, being the good staff officer that she was.

Twin files of Stormtroopers greeted me on my arrival, an honor guard led by a man with a commander’s rank plaque, Grand Moff Tarkin’s adjutant no doubt. The man greeted me with a salute as I approached.

“Admiral Targaryen,” he began. “I am Commander Travar Silth. Welcome to Eriadu.”

“At ease, commander.” I said while returning the salute, Sara doing the same behind me.

“If you will follow me, admiral,” Silth continued while gesturing invitingly with one hand. “The governor has asked me to escort you to the dining room. He apologizes for not being here to greet you on your arrival, but he has a number of tasks to attend to.”

“Understandable,” I said, while following the commander’s lead. “He is Grand Moff of Oversector Outer, after all. And far from me to criticize a superior officer’s pursuit of his duties.”

“As you say, ma’am.”

As the commander fell silent, I took the opportunity to take a look at the city around us. Eriadu City was the capital not just of the planet, or even of the surrounding Seswenna Sector, but of the whole Oversector Outer. Eriadu was also a major trading hub, and the capital city reflected both that and its political importance.

All the heavy industry in the city left visible banks of smog drifting with the wind though, blowing away from the manufacturing districts and over the working class habitat blocks. The financial district’s skyscrapers glittered in the afternoon twilight, brightly reflecting the setting Sun’s light, windows shimmering with internal lights, while speeders sparkled as they flew in neat lanes between and around the buildings. And then there were the high class residential districts, surrounding and including the government buildings. Complex mansions in various sizes languidly stretched out amidst expensively-kept greenery, protected by high security walls, and in many cases, no doubt sporting private security forces as additional protection.

Not that the local nobles had much use for them, even with the games of intrigue common to nobles all over the galaxy. Not with Grand Moff Tarkin in charge here, for the man had little patience for feudal chicanery of any kind.

One unquestionably-respectable trait of the man, no doubt about it.

Then we were passing through the doorway and into the palace, so I turned away from the sights of the city. That said, I now found myself thinking of the images that intelligence had provided of the cities of 24th Century Earth. Then I found myself comparing them to the great cities of the galaxy I’d grown up in in this second life of mine.

And then I found myself comparing them to my fading memories of the 21st Century.

Strangely enough, I found myself comparing the cities of the galaxy favorably with what had once been during my first life. I’m not really sure what it said about me, but I found the cities of the 24th Century to be…

…too clean…

…squeaky-clean, I might even say. Toy towns…

…not real cities, devoid of the hustle and bustle, controlled chaos, and frantically-paced life that cities should have.

Even Nar Shaadaa was preferable to any of 24th Century Earth’s toy towns. I internally made a face at the notion. When the slimy, filthy, disease-ridden underbelly of the galaxy had more life in it than the utopian metropoles of 24th Century Earth…

…where did Humanity go wrong?
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I rose from my seat as Grand Moff Tarkin entered the dining room, standing to attention and giving a smart salute. Sara did the same next to me, the both of us holding position while the governor made his way to the opposite side of the table. Then Tarkin himself stood to attention, returning the salute along with his adjutant.

“At ease.” He said, before dismissing his adjutant. I did the same to Sara, the younger woman sharply turning and walking to stand against a wall. The governor then gestured for me to sit, before he himself did so.

Waiters then arrived, taking table napkins from in front of us and spreading it on our laps for us. Another opened a bottle of wine – Algarine White, from the smell of it, well, if so then the governor had good taste – and poured for the both of us.

“It seems congratulations are in order, admiral.” Tarkin said, toasting me. “Your campaign seems to be proceeding as planned.”

“Thank you, sir.” I said, returning the toast.

The two of us took small sips of our wine, even as the waiters returned with a bowl of salad. “I must admit, admiral,” Tarkin began, while the waiters dressed and seasoned our salad. “I had my doubts when the Emperor appointed you as the commander of the expeditionary force through the Belsavis Gateway. Your combat experience was limited to hunting down Mid Rim pirates before the Clone Wars, and your specialization in logistics is more suited for a staff officer than a field commander.”

I took another sip of wine to moisten my lips and brace myself. “I cannot deny my relative lack of combat experience.” I began. “It is only a matter of fact, after all. That said, I lack the wisdom to know His Excellency’s reasoning for giving me this command. All I can do is be thankful for the opportunity, and to fulfil my responsibilities to the best of my ability.”

“That you certainly have done.” Tarkin said with genuine approval, as the waiters began to serve us salad. “I read the report on the Battle of Earth. At first glance, it appears nothing more than a well-conducted but otherwise orthodox fleet engagement. But then one comes to the final phase of the operation…Admiral Targaryen, what is beginning to be called the Targaryen Gambit has set tongues wagging across the Imperial Armed Forces, especially in the navy. Whether it’s in the conference rooms of Admiralty, or in the officers’ lounges and academy classrooms, the implications of your…inspired tactic, has tacticians furiously debating with one another.”

“While I’m flattered that the navy thinks so highly of me,” I said. “It was a major gamble for me.”

“A gamble that paid off.” Tarkin said.

“Well, yes,” I agreed. “But it required extensive simulations by multiple tactical computers working in sync with one another, and indeed, taking the better part of a day to calculate the proper positions of our interdictors to ensure the Special Attack Force would be pulled from hyperspace at the proper location to commence bombardment, and not too far or worse, be thrown into the planet’s atmosphere.”

“True,” Tarkin agreed in turn. “But gambles, while dangerous, are what are sometimes called for in order to achieve victory. If they fail, then of course one must take responsibility for them. But if they succeed…well, there is no reason not to accept due praise for one’s achievement.”

“Thank you, sir.”

Tarkin nodded and took another drink of his wine. “If I might ask,” he began. “What inspired you to come up with the Targaryen Gambit?”

I hesitated for a moment, but making it appear as just veiled embarrassment. I could hardly admit I’d poached the tactic from someone who wasn’t even an officer in the Imperial Navy yet, not for several more years at any rate, and who wouldn’t come up with it for at least another decade if not more. I mean…how would that even be possible?

Well, I knew the answer to that, but I couldn’t give that answer either. Fortunately, I knew I’d be facing this question sooner or later, and come up with an answer.

“To be honest sir,” I began. “The inspiration was an academic question.”

“Oh?”

I nodded. “I was thinking of how to best use interdictors in this campaign, with their ability to pull ships out of hyperspace or other forms of traveling at light-speed.” I said. “And then I found myself asking: if interdictors can pull enemy or rebel ships out of light-speed and right where we want them, can they also not do the same for our own ships?”

Tarkin digested that answer for several more moments, while I braced myself with another drink of wine. And then he chuckled and smiled. “I suppose there is a lesson to be learned there.” He admitted. “Not to get too caught up in complexities that one misses simple solutions, and which more often than not work best. Or for that matter, are less prone to going wrong at inopportune moments.”

“As you say, sir.” I said.

“Oh dear me,” Tarkin then said, setting aside his glass and picking up his utensils. “It seems we’ve gotten too engrossed in our conversation that we’d forgotten our meal. We can continue after this course.”

“Yes, sir.” I said, while also picking up my utensils.
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“I have to say though,” Tarkin began while dabbing at his mouth with his table napkin, while the waiters replaced our china and silverware. “The most impressive part of your campaign is less the one major fleet engagement you’ve committed to so far, as much as the rest of your ongoing operations.”

“You speak of Operations White and Typhoon.” I said.

“Indeed,” Tarkin said with a nod before giving a wintery smile. “Typhoon’s first blow in particular was most impressive. You not only succeeded in destroying a major fuel production and storage facility, or even the surrounding industrial facilities, but devastated the enemy capital planet.”

I hummed at that, struggling not to let my discomfort show, or the way my stomach turned at the reminder of how Typhoon’s first blow had turned out to be so…devastating. I expected a massive explosion, enough to leave a crater visible to the naked eye from Earth, considering all that antimatter. I didn’t know there was enough antimatter there to blow a large part of the Moon to bits, much less release enough energy to fry Earth’s infrastructure across the whole planet.

Kriff it, why the hell did the Federation even put that much antimatter on the Moon anyway?











Okay, never mind that. I’m a logistician, I know the answer to that. Stupid questions and all…

…still, I never expected that big an explosion. This is going to make a mess of things to put back together for when the war is done.

Chaos damn it all.

“With all due respect, sir,” I began. “I consider that a major miscalculation on my part. The goal was to destroy the enemy’s fuel production and storage capabilities on their capital planet’s moon, and limiting their ability to support a fleet in their home system. And while I expected significant damage to the local industrial capacity, I had planned to capture most of what was left when we finally launch Operation Blue.”

Tarkin hummed and nodded slowly in thought, as the waiters brought in hot soup. Other waiters refilled our glasses, though I drank water for now, to keep my head clear. Tarkin sipped at his wine, and then tapped a finger thoughtfully at the table for several moments. Finally, he smiled.

“Economic plunder, admiral?” he asked. “Is that also why no shipyards and other production and manufacturing facilities are among Operation Typhoon’s targets?”

“That is correct, sir.” I said with a nod. “It doesn’t matter if the enemy is still able to build ships and armaments, if they cannot fuel their fleets, much less have field bases to operate from. And if their fleets are immobilized, then their armies are trapped on their worlds. The initiative will belong solely to us, and we can set the tempo of the war at will.”

“Destroy the enemy one by one.” Tarkin said with a nod. “Yes, a basic principle of warfare, and one that allows for efficient concentration of force.”

“As you say, sir.”

Tarkin nodded while taking a drink of water as well. “Your admission of responsibility for the miscalculation at the beginning of Operation Typhoon does you credit.” he eventually said. “Though I see no reason to hold you accountable for it.”

“Sir?”

“The operation’s goal is to break the enemy’s supply chain.” Tarkin said. “For all that it was a miscalculation, the opening blow of Operation Typhoon has succeeded in that goal. As has the rest of the ongoing operations’ actions. Between Typhoon and White, the Imperial Fleet operates freely across Federation space, destroying their fleet’s logistical train and their subspace communications network at will. This, together with the devastation of their capital planet, proves the Federation to be a broken reed.”

Tarkin paused, and smiled knowingly. “Fear,” he said with emphasis. “Fear of the Empire…fear of the Imperial Fleet, now spreads across the Federation.”

I swirled the water in my glass before draining it. “It will certainly make discussing terms for surrender much easier.” I said, and Tarkin smiled wider.

“Indeed.” he said with an approving nod. How could he not? That was the Tarkin Doctrine in a nutshell: rule through fear of force than by force itself.

Not a bad idea…

…so long as you could back that fear up with actual force should the enemy call your bluff, that is.

With that thought in mind – though taking care not to let it show – I started on my serving of soup.
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“What are your postwar plans for the New Territories, admiral?” Tarkin asked while the waiters were serving us a fish course.

“That is a matter to be decided by His Excellency and the Ruling Council, and not myself.” I said at once.

Tarkin raised an eyebrow, and looking at me in the eyes. I made sure to meet his gaze unflinchingly and without hesitation of any kind. “Perhaps,” he finally said. “But surely you have some opinions on the matter. And what of the Imperial Senate? Things have changed with the rise of the New Order, but the Imperial Senate continues to provide oversight for the bureaucracy.”

I hummed in thought for a few moments. “The former Federation territories are vast.” I finally said. “Not nearly as vast as any of the galaxy’s major regions, but large enough to warrant being made an Imperial Oversector under a grand moff, answering directly to His Excellency. Individual sectors, of course, are to be assigned under the governance of moffs under the previously-mentioned grand moff.”

“And…senatorial representation?” Tarkin pressed.

“I would hold off on senatorial representation for at least a decade.” I said. “Maybe two or more…we must make certain that imperialization of the local population is firmly rooted, and an explicitly pro-Imperial upper and middle class established. Until then, senatorial representation for individual sectors would be premature, and would cause more harm than good to Imperial interests in the region.”

Tarkin nodded in thought. “A prudent course of action,” he said. “I find myself inclined to agree.”

I bowed curtly. “Thank you, sir.” I said.

“Earlier though,” Tarkin continued while starting on his serving of battered fish. “You mentioned discussing terms of surrender for local polities, did you not?”

“I did sir.” I admitted. Oh boy, here we go.

“And what would you offer them?” Tarkin asked.

“The same rights and privileges all subject systems and planets of the Empire enjoy.” I said. “Though of course, they will have to understand that there will be obligations on their part as well.”

“Such as?”

“Imperial taxation, for one.” I said, and to my credit, I actually managed to get Tarkin to give a wintery smile of amusement at that. “They must also understand their place in the governing structure of the Empire, that is, individual worlds and systems within a given sector answer to a regional governor appointed by His Excellency. And that those regional governors then answer to a higher-ranked governor, who then answers directly to His Excellency.”

“Good starting points…is that all?” Tarkin continued.

“All worlds with major industrial capabilities and population centers will require Stormtrooper garrisons.” I continued. “Minor worlds will most likely be left to the Imperial Army, barring major insurgencies. Of course, the Imperial Navy will require bases to operate from.”

Tarkin nodded with approval. “The new sector and oversector fleets will certainly need ports to call home,” he said. “In order to enforce the New Order within the New Territories.”

“As you say, sir.”

“I notice that you leave out the economic side of things.” Tarkin continued. “Especially as from what I can tell based on various reports, the Federation appears to have adopted some kind of…communal, system, in place of a proper economy.”

“With all due respect, sir,” I began. “I’m not an economist. I do think the Empire will have to build a proper economy from scratch…”

Kriffing Communists…whether it’s in this life or the previous one…they always make trouble where there should be none…

“…but the details will have to be left to economic experts, perhaps with assistance from major, and previously-vetted, corporate interests.” I continued. “Though I suppose we could start by nationalizing key industries, such as metallurgy, shipbuilding, the public utilities, the aerospace industries, and armaments production, and then form new corporations, with shares split between the regional governments and private shareholders. I…I might be able to come up with some more ideas, but…again, with all due respect, sir, I’m a soldier, not an economist. I never really thought much about this, beyond privately cursing the Federation for not having a proper economy in the first place.”

“Understandable, admiral.” Tarkin graciously said. “Still, that idea of yours, of corporations with mixed ownership is an intriguing one. I’m sure there will be quite a few people interested in hearing about them.”

“I…yes, sir.”

“Rest assured, admiral.” Tarkin said with a hand raised reassuringly. “I do not hold you responsible for not having thought much of this matter, because as you say, you are an officer of the Imperial Navy, and not an economist.”

“Yes, sir. And thank you, sir.”

Tarkin nodded. “Still,” he said. “I’m sure you’ve given much thought about the planned occupation, and while I’ve read the details in your report for what you call Plan Zerek, I’d like to discuss it in further detail. Along with what you call Plan Mern-Osk, with regard to the Federation’s neighbors. Later though, for now let us continue with our meal.”

“Yes, sir.”
 

liberty90

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“Especially as from what I can tell based on various reports, the Federation appears to have adopted some kind of…communal, system, in place of a proper economy.”

“With all due respect, sir,” I began. “I’m not an economist. I do think the Empire will have to build a proper economy from scratch…”

Kriffing Communists…whether it’s in this life or the previous one…they always make trouble where there should be none…

I have no idea what sort of an economic system the Federation truly has. Like, are there markets in real estate? Is ownership of more than one house allowed? Is renting real estate allowed? Is buying and selling land allowed? Is private trade allowed? If land ownership exist, is there a land value tax regime? No idea.

I'm not sure how many economic differences betwee the Empire and the Federation are social, and how many are technological in nature.

It's possible that with the Federation production techniques market prices of some things tend to 0.

This is in fact observable even at our level, if we compare with medieval times. Our prices of clothes, glass and metals are absurdly low. Oh, if you buy new clothes or books that can be still costly, but a 15 year old car, still full of high-quality steel even if with some rust, costs maybe 2000$. The much higher price of the new car is not because of steel or glass! While new books cost 15$, used books cost 1$, and that is the case only because selling used books is WORK - otherwise many would be free, as many old books and papers are thrown away like trash. Likewise clothes. Likewise empty glass bottles, something that would be worth gold at medieval tech level. A medieval person accustomed to high price of any usable piece of cloth, or glass, or steel - would be amazed.

"Transportation and storage" costs is why many among our early XXI century charities drown in enormous amounts of usable but often useless used clothes, that were given to the charity for free, but then are costly if we want to give these to the poor (storage space, transport to destination, sorting, cleaning, etc) instead of throwing these at the landfill (landfill disposal of trash also generate cost: land, transportation).

Now, in the Federation there are replicators. What such a technology change technologically in prices of goods, regardless of whether system is market-based or not?

It seems to reduce costs of new items to costs of used items, and to reduce main obstacle to 0 prices of many used items, transportation and distribution costs? Humph.

The most importantly, it seems to also lower prices of food to 0. Well, strictly speaking to cost of electricity used and cost of labor needed to operate the replicator, but these costs looks comparable to a cost of picking up an empty glass bottle that is nearby, not 0 but close to 0 even if you clean the bottle afterwards.
(Well, it could be very costly if you would need to pick up, clean and move somewhere 1000 bottles; but if you need only one and one lies nearby, or if you have a replicator in your home...)
 
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Something I'm surprised hasn't come up in conversation yet is how the new technology the Empire has gained access to, such as transporters/replicators/warp will affect Tarkins area of responsibility, as it seems replicators alone could really throw Core vs Outer Rim relationship for a loop. And while it might not be talked about, I assume that transporters should make something the size of the Death Star more effective, as you could actually move around the place in a somewhat fast fashion, although how the Empire will deal with the weirder transporter accidents will be something to see.
 
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liberty90

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Emperor himself could be interested in some of these weird accidents, while most are unpleasant, wasn't it the case that aging was accidentally reversed once?

Federation tech is moronically used, but extremely powerful for something developed so fast. Well, the Milky Way Galaxy as w whole is in the Star Trek-verse very, very, very weird.

Also, with the Federation tech couldn't you store a pattern in the computer memory and replicate a person in the case of death? Much, much faster than the Star Wars cloning. Arguably the copy would be a new person, not exactly the original (this depends on your philosophy), but even a good enough copy could greatly discourage any assasination attempts...

It may be the case that some of these things would be story-breaking in hands of people who are not morons, and need to be nerfed.
 
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Jaenera Targaryen

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@Jaenera Targaryen I have a question which must be answered for the story to make any sense. When the hell did the Empire map all the hyperlanes as it would need to do in order to do everything it's done so far in the story? As I recall its quite the lengthy and risky process.

3000+ probe droids flying all over the place does that. It's a very brute force method, quite inefficient and relatively-expensive, but in the Galactic Empire's heyday, the military wants for nothing when it comes to funds and materiel.
 

PeliusAnar

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@Jaenera Targaryen I have a question which must be answered for the story to make any sense. When the hell did the Empire map all the hyperlanes as it would need to do in order to do everything it's done so far in the story? As I recall its quite the lengthy and risky process.
Also the area of space is fairly small. The Federation only occupies a small part of the galaxy, unlike the SW Empire, which is almost everywhere.
 

Knowledgeispower

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The only positive thing for the citizens of the Federation is that the overwhelming majority of them are humanoids and thus the Empire will treat them better. On another front I love that Tarkin and our SI are pretending that Imperial citizens actually have such things as rights. Seriously how many executions without trials did the Empire have over the course of its existence? Trillions probably.
 
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Yinko

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urprised hasn't come up in conversation yet is how the new technology the Empire has gained access to, such as transporters/replicators/warp will affect Tarkins area of responsibility,
I doubt that these technologies will be adopted by the Empire. Teleporters are (as we all know) suicide boxes, and while the Federation may not value the souls of their citizens, a civilization with knowledge of souls like the Empire likely would, if for no other reason than that Tarkin wouldn't want to be assassinated via telefrag. Replicators run the problem of undermining the economy too quickly, if they wanted to adopt them they would have to do so via a strict integration system that benefited the military first and then worked its way down so that society and the economy could adapt, otherwise you end up with a system like the Federation does.
 

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