Hamas Launches Offensive Against Southern Israel

[Agent23]

It's not something Israel or neocons thought up, Arabs themselves agreed until tactically they "separated" Palestinians out for pragmatic reasons in the 70's. Here are some related quotes from Arab leaders:

Zuheir Mohse, high ranking PLO official, 1977:


Prince Hassan of the Jordanian National Assembly, 1970:


Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, an Arab Muslim leader, to Peel Commission in 1937:


Syrian President Hafez Assad to Yasser Arafat:

Actually Palestinian "arabs" and jews are probably closer genetically than Poles, Russians and Bulgarians are.
The study, published in the May 9 issue of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, found that Jewish men shared a set of common genetic signatures with non-Jews from the Middle East, including Palestinians, Syrians, and Lebanese, and these signatures diverged significantly from those of non-Jewish men outside of this region.

In a study of Israeli Jews from four different groups (Ashkenazi Jews, Kurdish Jews, North African Sephardi Jews, and Iraqi Jews) and Palestinian Muslim Arabs, more than 70% of the Jewish men and 82% of the Arab men whose DNA was studied had inherited their Y chromosomes from the same paternal ancestors, who lived in the region within the last few thousand years. "Our recent study of high-resolution microsatellite haplotypes demonstrated that a substantial portion of Y chromosomes of Jews (70%) and of Palestinian Muslim Arabs (82%) belonged to the same chromosome pool."

 

[Agent23]

It's not something Israel or neocons thought up, Arabs themselves agreed until tactically they "separated" Palestinians out for pragmatic reasons in the 70's. Here are some related quotes from Arab leaders:

Zuheir Mohse, high ranking PLO official, 1977:


Prince Hassan of the Jordanian National Assembly, 1970:


Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, an Arab Muslim leader, to Peel Commission in 1937:


Syrian President Hafez Assad to Yasser Arafat:

Actually it was never a Zionist invention, Eastern Roman Empire says 'Hi':

Palaestina Secunda - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Syria-Palaestina became organized under late Roman Empire as part of the Diocese of the East, in which it was included together with the provinces of Isauria, Cilicia, Cyprus (until 536), Euphratensis, Mesopotamia, Osroene, Coele-Syria, Syria Phoenice and Arabia Petraea. Under Byzantium, a new subdivision did further split the province of Cilicia into Cilicia Prima, Cilicia Secunda; Syria Palaestina was split into Palaestina Prima, Palaestina Secunda and eventually also Palaestina Salutaris (in 6th century). The major cities of the province were Scythopolis, Capernaum and Nazareth.

Roman street of Scythopolis in Bet She'an National Park, Israel
In the 5th and 6th centuries, Byzantines and their Christian Ghassanid allies took a major role in suppressing the Samaritan Revolts in neighbouring Palaestina Prima. By the 6th century Christian Ghassanids formed a Byzantine vassal confederacy with a capital on the Golan, forming a buffer state between the Byzantine Empire and the Arabian tribes.

In 614, both Palaestina Prima and Palaestina Secunda were conquered by a joint Sasanian-Jewish army. The leader of the Jewish rebels was Benjamin of Tiberias, a man of "immense wealth" according to Middle Age sources, and by Nehemiah ben Hushiel, a Jewish Exilarch. The event came as shock to the Christian society, as many of its churches were destroyed according to Christian sources of that period. After withdrawal of the Persian troops and the afterward surrender of the local Jewish rebels, the area was shortly reannexed into Byzantium in 628 CE.

Judaism

The province of Palaestina Secunda was a thriving center of Judaism through the 4th and 5th centuries, where the Jerusalem Talmud was compiled. The primary Jewish authority, the Sanhedrin, existed in Tiberias until the early 5th century, before being abolished by the Byzantine authorities. The last Nasi (president) of the Sanhedrin was Gamaliel VI, who died in 425. After his death, the Byzantine Emperor Theodosius did not allow for a successor, and in 429 terminated the patriarchate.

I am really getting sick and tired of the willful ignorance and/or general illiteracy regarding the Roman Empire's development after the Tetrarchy.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

How's the song go...."You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here."

You're talking about relocating over seven million people; even assuming you could get all or even most of them to agree to abandon their home, the monetary cost involved would be astronomical. You're looking at having to spend several trillion dollars at least; at a time when nobody has that kind of cash just laying around. We'd bankrupt ourselves in the attempt long before we actually managed to get them all out.

We have no responsibility to bare that cost, and, quite honestly, Israel doesn't either. Every penny donated to Hamas/Palestinians should be spent on that, not any weapons.

 

[TheRejectionist]

Be honest.

I used to be like. Hard pro-Zionist after I lived there for a time, despite I was a classic 21st century leftist. I used to think Israel and Bibi were example of country and leaders. But then I started doing my own research, which returned useful for COVID, and very little positive came of Israel.

You never liked them beforehand.

To the contrary. Went so far as to date one of them and thinking they were the best to date

Samson has been fact since the 80s. How did you not know this?

I was aware after a few weeks living there.

Surrounded by a sea of Arab neighbors who want you dead I'd want a fuck you option as well.

You mean Arab neighbors that had to deal with glorified guerrilla groups that killed Europeans as well as other Semitic people ?

Masada and the last stand of the kingdom of Israel against the might of Rome is cemented in the mythos of modern Israel for a reason.

The battle were Jewish folk "heroically" committed suicided themselves and "heroically" left the few sane survivors to be found by the Romans.

 

[Agent23]

All of these people are from diffrent nations though. Like Jordanians are not Syrians, and Syrians are not Jordanians. If Palestinians are not a thing and are part of another nation. One of those guys has to be wrong.

Also even if Palestine was "created" in the 70's does it matter? After all the Arab nations were created in the post colonial period. It's not like Jordan existed for hundreds of years and then Palestine came up. And again there is my question did the Jordanians just do some sort of young adult dystopian hunger games bullshit. "Ok here is the lottery if you are called up you are not Jordanian but Palestinan got it?"

I mean it makes sense that the Palestinians especially because of their history now see themselves as seperate from Jordan, or Syria, or Egypt. If Israel never existed then the land would have been fought for by Syria, and Jordan, and Lebanon so a Palestinian identity might never have emerged true, and maybe those Arab nations would want to eat and consume Palestine. But the way history happened Palestine did end up creating an identity for itself.

Palestine is basically the middle Eastern Macedonia, not a country or an ethnic group, a territory with a tacked on artificially invented identity that was contributed to by a bunch of countries that had desires on that territory/did not want the other guy to take it.

And communists, too.

 

[AmosTrask]

I used to be like. Hard pro-Zionist after I lived there for a time, despite I was a classic 21st century leftist. I used to think Israel and Bibi were example of country and leaders. But then I started doing my own research, which returned useful for COVID, and very little positive came of Israel.

To the contrary. Went so far as to date one of them and thinking they were the best to date

I was aware after a few weeks living there.

You mean Arab neighbors that had to deal with glorified guerrilla groups that killed Europeans as well as other Semitic people ?

The battle were Jewish folk "heroically" committed suicided themselves and "heroically" left the few sane survivors to be found by the Romans.

Amigo I'm Pinoy, from an autonomous tribe. Dying in a last stand was infinitely preferable to becoming a slave or eunuch in the Muslim sultanates of the south or the Chinese. From that viewpoint I sympathize and understand the martyrs of Masada. You will never convince me surrendering is the better option. The only surrender traditional society accepts is the universal concept the Moro made infamous as Juramentado.

 

[Navarro]

Yeah, doesn't seem like Putin and Russia care about relations with Israel anymore.

They're just following old Soviet traditions.

 

[Navarro]

So any word on the hostages or is it just being left unsaid that they are all basically fucked?

Israeli gov't has just announced that Hamas will soon be releasing execution videos, urged people not to spread them. Sadly, I was right.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

Hamas will soon be releasing execution videos,

Usually I think an army should act with restraint against its enemies, but for these fuckers?

The ram has touched the wall.

No mercy.

 

[Navarro]

they are drinking the cool aid.
this is what generations of slaughtering "heretics" in your own population does to people. they are very detached from reality.

Hamas spent the day ignoring the literal army of 100,000 soldiers gathering at their border to fire rockets at Ashkelon, while trying to send a new wave of terror infiltrators into Israel (who all got predictably smoked from the air this time), after giving a press release last night announcing they'd "achieved their objectives" and now wanted a ceasefire.

It's the same insanity the Nazis and Japanese exhibited in WW2 when the walls were caving in.

 

[Zachowon]

I think the CVBG around the Ford probably has at least one SEAL team with them, and this is the sort of this SEALs are useful for.

Apperently the Ike is on the way and USSF have arrived in Isreal

Usually I think an army should act with restraint against its enemies, but for these fuckers?

The ram has touched the wall.

No mercy.

Gaza should be glassed

 

[TheRomanSlayer]

Amigo I'm Pinoy, from an autonomous tribe. Dying in a last stand was infinitely preferable to becoming a slave or eunuch in the Muslim sultanates of the south or the Chinese. From that viewpoint I sympathize and understand the martyrs of Masada. You will never convince me surrendering is the better option. The only surrender traditional society accepts is the universal concept the Moro made infamous as Juramentado.

Not sure which tribe you belong to, but it's nice to see another Pinoy here.

I wished we had the same suicidal martyrdom when we fought against the Spaniards in 1896 or the Americans in 1899-1901 as the Masada guys.

 

[AmosTrask]

Not sure which tribe you belong to, but it's nice to see another Pinoy here.

I wished we had the same suicidal martyrdom when we fought against the Spaniards in 1896 or the Americans in 1899-1901 as the Masada guys.

Mabuhay Kababayan! We did, but unity died with the Republic. The tribes kept fighting for decades. Entire island groups were avoided by the Americans because of our ambushes. Until the Japanese came and forced us to forgive the Americans

 

[Terthna]

Yeah, doesn't seem like Putin and Russia care about relations with Israel anymore.

Or antagonizing the portion of Americans who think we should stop blindly sinking our dwindling resources into backing Ukraine against him.

 

[Sir 1000]

It's not Jews who are illegally landing on the shores of Europe by thousands...

Just enabling it and lobbying for the policies that encourage it😉

 

[Navarro]

Fucking Kadryov is saying he supports Hamas, and he's willing to send in 'Chechen peace keepers' to aid them.

Taliban have also offered their support to Hamas, begged daddy Iran to let them travel across their country to join the battle of Gaza.

 

[Marduk]

Just enabling it and lobbying for the policies that encourage it😉

The same ones who lobby for these policies for Israel...

 

[AmosTrask]

Taliban have also offered their support to Hamas, begged daddy Iran to let them travel across their country to join the battle of Gaza.

I hope they do. It'll let us erase them from the air

 

[DarthOne]

The same ones who lobby for these policies for Israel...

Do they? Honest question here.

 

[LTR]

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Israeli-Hamas War News & Updates

Blowing up in social media for the past eight or so hours. Hamas has opened an offensive against Southern Israel in a massive coordinated assault. Reportedly thousands of rockets/missiles launched, some estimates saying upwards of 3000-5000 of them. Palestinian militants have attacked numerous...

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