Hamas Launches Offensive Against Southern Israel

[Agent23]

Very interesting take on the Iran connection that expands on the Israel-Arab normalization cause theory:

TL;DR it could be considered a double/triple proxy war between USA and China.

Yep, because an attack thet has probably taken months to plan and organize was aimed at something thet got dreamt up a month or so ago and that will take decades to catch up with the B&R, and it is not like India, the Middle East or Greece are huge ass manufacturing and value added powerhouses to begin with, and the Middle East and India can easily be connected via standard port facilities that already exist, the problem is that they don't have much to sell to each other.
This story came out of nowhere and even some of our murika simping talking heads picked it up.
If anything this probably happened to sabotage the talks between SA and the USA where the Americans were trying to get the Saudis to recognize Israel, and which was already a long running process.


Furthermore, no one is mentioning the long standing bottom of the shit pit rivalry between Saudi and Quatar where funding islamists is concerned and that they have been funding Hamas/Hizbollah as well.

So, yeah, more of the usual muh Russia/China is to blame for everything.

Maybe you can actually blame the rogue proxy that is Hizbollah/Hamas/Palestine, since they are the ones to actually gain from this shit and since they are exactly the type of idiot "proxy/ally" that Serbia was to Russia prior to the outbreak of WWI.

 

[Free-Stater 101]

Do you have a quote or source for that?

Do I really even need one? The political realities of the world have changed due to the advent of newer technology Washingtons beliefs on 'foreign entanglements' were based entirely on his perceptions of the geopolitical realities of the time and those who latter upheld them due to both cult reverence of the man and those realities not changing.

Prior to the gilded age America possessed no ability to fight protracted wars with European powers, alliances with Prussia, Russia or Austria offered nothing and in the era of a constantly feuding between Britain and France truly and officially aligning with one or the other wasn't a secret of long-term success, especially when Washingtons farewell address in which he explicitly gave the infamous line was while the War of The Second Coalition was still raging and Europe had more or less been at war for eight years, any entry on America's part to help either side didn't promise much.

However, once America reached the era of Teddy Roosevelt in the Gilded Age and the U.S. started surpassing France Industriously and it started to become apparent that they were reaching near peer power status with Germany and Britain in the same regard while technologically militaries were becoming more and more capable of striking U.S. shores meant those realities started to change slowly and the rise of ideological war born of both the Red Terror and later Rise of Fascism, Japanese Militarism all but guaranteed that era to be at an end.

To say nothing of the Japanese Military going halfway across the Earth to strike at our naval bases proving neither Atlantic or Pacific to be the impregnable moat we once thought them.

In short prove me wrong and stop demanding I prove you right.

We do not, we should not, and indeed such a thing is not desirable.
Make your own stability.

Make up your mind then, because that's what we are attempting to do now by assembling the largest military alliance in human history the fact that it isn't to your standards notwithstanding.

You do realize what you're describing involves a lot of dead or brutalized children, yes?
Not judging, I just want us to be on the same page.

To me it looks like a poorly attempted Catch-22 with no concealment whatsoever.

 

[SoliFortissimi]

The US can choose to ignore the Jihadis and Reds, if it so chooses. But she cannot expect them to ignore her.

 

[Shipmaster Sane]

Make up you mind then, because that's what we are attempting to do now by assembling the largest military alliance in human history the fact that it isn't to your standards notwithstanding.

What? What are my standards?
You seem to have confused me with someone else.

To me it looks like a poorly attempted Catch-22 with no concealment whatsoever.

You're not thinking of a Catch 22, a catch 22 would be a situation where I forced him into a situation of conflicting outcomes. What you *think* I'm doing is an attempt at false equivocation. But in the end I just want him to be consistent and open about his beliefs so that others can understand them and react to them honestly, and he doesnt seem to have any problem with where those beliefs lead, as he said, Vae Victus.

 

[AnimalNoodles]

That's really not how it works not long term.

If you consistently break the rules of law those rules stop applying to you. Rules based global order? Thats a polite fiction thats been given entirely too much credence the real world of things is more brutal and always has been thus.

Then dont be surprised when other countries ignore the rules you have set.

 

[Cherico]

Then dont be surprised when other countries ignore the rules you have set.

they already do man.

If you don't punish people who break said rules then the rules become meaningless. Whole point of if you don't follow the rules I don't have to either is to punish that kind of shit.

Its standard game theory.

 

[Shipmaster Sane]

Not all of them though; not even a majority. Most claim to be Christian; though as with everything else that comes out of their mouths, that is a lie. There are no Jews or Christians amongst the ruling class; just narcissistic sociopaths suffering from the worse case of the Dunning–Kruger effect in human history.

Jews are primarily an ethnicity that votes with a high level of consistency across the west. What is commonly called a "Jew" in modern parlance (genetically largely Ashkenazi, Turkic, and Canaanite/Phonecian) is an ethnic group with strongly distinct physiological traits and statistical psychological tendencies from other groups, just like virtually all ethnic groups. Obviously, as with any ethnic group, there is some level of genetic assimilation with other groups which varies area to area.
Certain diseases are more or less prevalent among them as opposed to the groups they live amongst or beside, and their genetic distinctiveness is well documented by innumerable sources, including by contemporary scholarly Jewish sources.

 

[TheRejectionist]

The US can choose to ignore the Jihadis and Reds, if it so chooses. But she cannot expect them to ignore her.

Considering how the US elites helped the Taliban, tolerated Gulf monarchies financing Wahabis and Salafis worldwide, financed the latter in the Levant I say it is more likely the US will make more not just ignoring them.
Not to mention that if I remember correctly it financed some commies at some point. OR like allowing the CCP to have a monopoly on one too many things.

 

[Shipmaster Sane]

The US can choose to ignore the Jihadis and Reds, if it so chooses. But she cannot expect them to ignore her.

Color me petrified.

 

[Marduk]

Yep, because an attack thet has probably taken months to plan and organize was aimed at something thet got dreamt up a month or so ago and that will take decades to catch up with the B&R, and it is not like India, the Middle East or Greece are huge ass manufacturing and value added powerhouses to begin with, and the Middle East and India can easily be connected via standard port facilities that already exist, the problem is that they don't have much to sell to each other.

India is not a giant manufacturing powerhouse?
And IMEC is just a name and announcement given to something that became a visible possibility on the map since the signing of Abraham Accords, so the timeline fits.

This story came out of nowhere and even some of our murika simping talking heads picked it up.
If anything this probably happened to sabotage the talks between SA and the USA where the Americans were trying to get the Saudis to recognize Israel, and which was already a long running process.

Absolutely. But it's not mutually exclusive with China deciding they don't like the trade implications of that normalization either.

Furthermore, no one is mentioning the long standing bottom of the shit pit rivalry between Saudi and Quatar where funding islamists is concerned and that they have been funding Hamas/Hizbollah as well.

So, yeah, more of the usual muh Russia/China is to blame for everything.

Maybe you can actually blame the rogue proxy that is Hizbollah/Hamas/Palestine, since they are the ones to actually gain from this shit and since they are exactly the type of idiot "proxy/ally" that Serbia was to Russia prior to the outbreak of WWI.

Iran holds the purse strings for Hezbollah and Hamas, and to a significant degree also the weapon locker. Qatar meanwhile is well known to essentially work as a more acceptable representative go-between for politics between Iran and countries that don't like it.

 

[SoliFortissimi]

Color me petrified.

You should be. The US's vast armies have, so far, failed entirely to challenge the Jihadist threat. No matter how many organizations are destroyed, ten more take their place. At the same time, socialists are grabbing all the major positions of public influence in Western society.

The situation requires a Nixon or Reagan, but all we have is Biden and Newsom.

 

[Marduk]

Being pro-israel (at least politicians-wise) is the same thing as being pro-White-replacement. They're functionally synonyms.

Umm, no? The biggest pro population replacement politicians in fact hate Israel, see, Squad, and every far left party in the West.
That's the reality, no matter how it doesn't fit the dogma of certain Jew hating circles.

Douglas Macgregor opinion on the current situàtion :

Notorious Russia shill tries to deflect blame away from one of Russia's few vital allies at the moment, so fucking predictable.

 

[TheRejectionist]

Umm, no? The biggest pro population replacement politicians in fact hate Israel, see, Squad, and every far left party in the West.
That's the reality, no matter how it doesn't fit the dogma of certain Jew hating circles.

Notorious Russia shill tries to deflect blame away from one of Russia's few vital allies at the moment, so fucking predictable.

Meanwhile notorious Polish liberal progressive US promoter expresses his opinion on sietch.

 

[Marduk]

Meanwhile notorious Polish liberal progressive US promoter expresses his opinion on sietch.

Progressive? In what? I won't stand for someone who spams videos from actual socialists whining about capitalism calling me a progressive. But then again, socialists always lie.

 

[AnimalNoodles]

You should be. The US's vast armies have, so far, failed entirely to challenge the Jihadist threat. No matter how many organizations are destroyed, ten more take their place. At the same time, socialists are grabbing all the major positions of public influence in Western society.

The situation requires a Nixon or Reagan, but all we have is Biden and Newsom.

These people arent socialists..they are mangerialists. Sure, they talk like socialists, but in reality they seek to use bioleninism and anarchotyranny to advance the interests of the managerial classes.

 

[TheRejectionist]

Progressive? In what? I won't stand for someone who spams videos from actual socialists whining about capitalism calling me a progressive.

Well your preferred alliances clearly show that you side with the US, a progressive, liberal power.
So that makes you like them by association if we use that black and white logic you the habit of derangedly sharing every time you are awake.

But then again, socialists always lie.

Just like the capitalists or better, monopolists.

 

[Marduk]

Well your preferred alliances clearly show that you side with the US, a progressive, liberal power.

So? USA is also allied with Saudi Arabia, an incredibly conservative and religious country.
Does the alliance with USA turn them into progressive liberals too by magic of socialist antipathy to USA?
By your logic i become a progressive or conservative on US election day depending on who wins, because flip-flopping alliances that last beyond an election cycle is not a realistic option.
Get a fucking clue about how international politics work, but then again, you support socialism, so of course you have no clues available.

So that makes you like them by association if we use that black and white logic you the habit of derangedly sharing every time you are awake.

Oh, in that case, fuck off troll.

Just like the capitalists or better, monopolists.

I'd rather be just lied to than lied to and robbed by socialists.

 

[Zachowon]

Douglas Macgregor opinion on the current situàtion :

Except Iran literally works with ALL the groups in the area against Isreal and the like.
If Iran had nothing to do with it, it would have been just Gaza with no Hezbollah getting invovled

 

[SoliFortissimi]

These people arent socialists

Are you a leftie that's trying to Not Real Communism us?

 

[AnimalNoodles]

Are you a leftie that's trying to Not Real Communism us?

Far from it. But its important to get your enemy right or you will fight the wrong battles.