Hamas Launches Offensive Against Southern Israel

[DarthOne]

Imagine if your country had well-guarded borders and no swarms of millions of illegals, many draining public funds through criminality, and the bulk of the rest doing black market jobs at exploitation wages, thus pricing honest workers out of the market...

Then the government wouldn't need to feed the homeless. Most everyone would be employed, and wages would be way up for the common man. (No legal minimum wage laws needed, either. The employers would be clamouring for workers, so they'd be forced to offer a good wage simply due to normal market pressures... as opposed to the twisted pressures that the globalists have introduced.)

YES.

 

[Marduk]

Imagine if our government fed our homeless population the same way they feed the rest of the globe. That's a country I'd like to live in.

So you are a bleeding heart socialist who doesn't even know about food stamps and other existing social welfare made to satisfy bleeding heart socialists?

Though if you dig beneath the surface the current US homeless problem has nothing to do with century old stereotypes of being a poverty problem, it's mostly drug and/or mental health problems. Most of them should be in an asylum temporarily or permanently for either reason, but some people decided that's wrong, while releasing them on the streets of cities if they can somewhat behave or prisons if not like in third world countries is ok though.
Though very on topic, did you know that USA and Gaza do have one problem in common?

https://www.timesofisrael.com/opioid-crisis-quietly-engulfs-blockaded-gaza-strip/

 

[DarthOne]

So you are a bleeding heart socialist who doesn't even know about food stamps and other existing social welfare made to satisfy bleeding heart socialists?

Though if you dig beneath the surface the current US homeless problem has nothing to do with century old stereotypes of being a poverty problem, it's mostly drug and/or mental health problems. Most of them should be in an asylum temporarily or permanently for either reason, but some people decided that's wrong, while releasing them on the streets of cities if they can somewhat behave or prisons if not like in third world countries is ok though.
Though very on topic, did you know that USA and Gaza do have one problem in common?

https://www.timesofisrael.com/opioid-crisis-quietly-engulfs-blockaded-gaza-strip/

Bold of you to assume that isn't on the table as well. Or that I don't want the opioid crisis crushed too, with those responsible being punished.

I am somewhat cautious about bringing back asylums, however, given how the current establishment could easily have political dissidents (likely mostly on the Right) proclaimed 'mentally unfit' and thrown into them.

 

[Marduk]

Bold of you to assume that isn't on the table as well. Or that I don't want the opioid crisis crushed too, with those responsible being punished.

I am somewhat cautious about bringing back asylums, however, given how the current establishment could easily have political dissidents (likely mostly on the Right) proclaimed 'mentally unfit' and thrown into them.

So what's the solution? It's an argument that leads to simply not having a civilized state when taken to logical conclusion.
The same people are equally willing to try put you in prisons for political offenses instead, but that doesn't mean you have to join into commie effort to abolish prisons too.
Police? If the left isn't allowed to liquidate it, they will absolutely use it against you.
Courts? Already often full of leftists...
So no courts, no police, no prisons either, what does that sound like to you?
And at this point you didn't even eliminate the threat from leftists, you are just now fighting the anarcho-communists according to their rules how society should work (or not).
So give that some thought before throwing expired political memes of "but what if it is used against us"...
Of course before the point before your side can make those decisions, it would have to hold some meaningful power that should be expected to stack these things according to own vision and then guard it to stay there.

 

[DarthOne]

So what's the solution? It's an argument that leads to simply not having a civilized state when taken to logical conclusion.
The same people are equally willing to try put you in prisons for political offenses instead, but that doesn't mean you have to join into commie effort to abolish prisons too.
Police? If the left isn't allowed to liquidate it, they will absolutely use it against you.
Courts? Already often full of leftists...
So no courts, no police, no prisons either, what does that sound like to you?
And at this point you didn't even eliminate the threat from leftists, you are just now fighting the anarcho-communists according to their rules how society should work (or not).
So give that some thought before throwing expired political memes of "but what if it is used against us"...
Of course before the point before your side can make those decisions, it would have to hold some meaningful power that should be expected to stack these things according to own vision and then guard it to stay there.

You are taking my point, far, far beyond what I was trying to say.

 

[King Arts]

Well if they are complaining about the quality of the food then that shows they aren’t in serious need so they don’t need any more food aid.

 

[ATP]

Well if they are complaining about the quality of the food then that shows they aren’t in serious need so they don’t need any more food aid.

There is cruel joke about that - you are hungry when you fight your friend over food,and really hungry when you eat him....

 

[GoldRanger]

A friendly reminder that a lot of the claims and outrage about how poor and miserable and innocent Palestinians are, and how evil Israelis are, are the result of a well oiled Palestinian propaganda machine. Israeli Hasbara has NOTHING on these people, nothing.

 

[Jormungandr]

A friendly reminder that a lot of the claims and outrage about how poor and miserable and innocent Palestinians are, and how evil Israelis are, are the result of a well oiled Palestinian propaganda machine. Israeli Hasbara has NOTHING on these people, nothing.

There are many reasons why people say Palestinians constantly lie, cheat, and betray. They always misdirect and misrepresent, too (as seen with the MRE Guy above in-thread).

I have zero sympathy for them.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Imagine if our government fed our homeless population the same way they feed the rest of the globe. That's a country I'd like to live in.

I'm going to assume that the California alone pays more for Homeless programs then all of our Humanitarian Aid sent to Gaza in the same time frame.

*goes to check*

EDIT:

Actually now looking at the numbers California has spent on Homeless programs. I'm going to assume that California alone pays more for Homeless programs then US Aid to Gaza (and Palestine) in general... and US Military Aid to Israel in recent years.

*goes to check more*

 

[TheRejectionist]

 

[Zachowon]

Tldr?

 

[Cherico]

Tldr?

Israel couldn't win this war with out US support.

I don't think that's true, they could win, they would simply blockaid Gaza and cut off all food, water, power and medicine. Lock the entire area down and starve it out. After a year or so of this Gaza would no longer be nearly as much of a problem. So in my opinon they could win it would just involve the creation of a huge humanitarian crisis.

 

[King Arts]

Israel couldn't win this war with out US support.

I don't think that's true, they could win, they would simply blockaid Gaza and cut off all food, water, power and medicine. Lock the entire area down and starve it out. After a year or so of this Gaza would no longer be nearly as much of a problem. So in my opinon they could win it would just involve the creation of a huge humanitarian crisis.

I’m an isolationist so that’s not my problem.

 

[Jormungandr]

Israel couldn't win this war with out US support.

I don't think that's true, they could win, they would simply blockade Gaza and cut off all food, water, power and medicine. Lock the entire area down and starve it out. After a year or so of this Gaza would no longer be nearly as much of a problem. So in my opinion they could win it would just involve the creation of a huge humanitarian crisis.

There are plenty of unethical ways Israel could "win" in Gaza, just like how there were the same tactics possible by the US in shitholes in the Middle-East.

It doesn't mean they're actually viable, though.

 

[Terthna]

Israel couldn't win this war with out US support.

I don't think that's true, they could win, they would simply blockaid Gaza and cut off all food, water, power and medicine. Lock the entire area down and starve it out. After a year or so of this Gaza would no longer be nearly as much of a problem. So in my opinon they could win it would just involve the creation of a huge humanitarian crisis.

I don't think it's true either; and they seem to be doing pretty well so far. If anything, what Israel needs is for the US government to not support their enemy; which they've come across as being far more interested in doing than helping Israel.

 

[ATP]

I don't think it's true either; and they seem to be doing pretty well so far. If anything, what Israel needs is for the US government to not support their enemy; which they've come across as being far more interested in doing than helping Israel.

Only thanks to USA Izrael could fight - so,i would say that they are helping.

 

[TheRejectionist]

I don't think it's true either; and they seem to be doing pretty well so far. If anything, what Israel needs is for the US government to not support their enemy; which they've come across as being far more interested in doing than helping Israel.

They haven't managed to control the situation in half a year against theocracts with improvised rocket launchers, rugged AKs and that are isolated from every side. If that's doing pretty well so far, then the US won the war in Afghanistan and Iraq.

 

[TheRejectionist]

There are many reasons why people say Palestinians constantly lie, cheat, and betray. They always misdirect and misrepresent, too (as seen with the MRE Guy above in-thread).

I have zero sympathy for them.

Israel and pro-Israel advocates are no different, just has a better PR department and all the lobbyists money can buy.

 

[Marduk]

They haven't managed to control the situation in half a year against theocracts with improvised rocket launchers, rugged AKs and that are isolated from every side. If that's doing pretty well so far, then the US won the war in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Let's not play smartass here.
Do you understand what USA would have to do to truly control the situation there (hint: it's either boots on the ground, something approaching total blockade, or 10-20x more airstrikes, or some combination thereof)?
What are the chances leftists, bleeding hearts, and probably with you included would bitch about it immensely, like they already did before when it wasn't even USA doing it?
This is why there's no way Biden admin would do what it takes, and if there's even a chance, not before the election.