Small proportion of them.
They are also idiots
Gun Political Issues Megathread. (Control for or Against?)
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They are also idiots
prinCZess
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For those willing to take a few moments, and for what benefit it may have, the below is a link to the ATF page detailing how and where to comment on their new proposed bullshit (once it gets posted--doesn't seem to be as yet).
www.atf.gov
Comments require a name and mailing address...But lets face it, anyone on the internet whose ever even used the words 'gun rights' is already on the ATFs watchlist. As the saying goes...
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May as well shitpost.
Who knows. Last time there was a big ATF push on braces...Well, I can't say comments stopped it since it was probably threats of legal action and congress-critters getting up off their asses for a change (so hey, try that one as well folks), but the comments can't hurt.
Comments on Proposed Rule 2021R-05 | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives
Between May 21 and August 19, 2021, ATF received over 290,000 comments on the proposed rule, Definition of “Frame or Receiver” and Identification of Firearms. ATF specifically requested comments on the feasibility of implementing the new definition of firearm “frame or receiver” in 27 CFR 478.11...
Comments require a name and mailing address...But lets face it, anyone on the internet whose ever even used the words 'gun rights' is already on the ATFs watchlist. As the saying goes...
...
May as well shitpost.
Who knows. Last time there was a big ATF push on braces...Well, I can't say comments stopped it since it was probably threats of legal action and congress-critters getting up off their asses for a change (so hey, try that one as well folks), but the comments can't hurt.
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TBS’s Sam Bee Just Says It: I ‘Want to Take your Guns’
Samantha Bee recently admitted she lets politics invade her “comedy.” It’s the worst kept secret in Hollywood, a rule that virtually every mainstream comic follows in our deeply divided culture.
www.newsbusters.org
The mask has been falling more and more lately.
f1onagher
Well-known member
She still has a show?TBS’s Sam Bee Just Says It: I ‘Want to Take your Guns’
Samantha Bee recently admitted she lets politics invade her “comedy.” It’s the worst kept secret in Hollywood, a rule that virtually every mainstream comic follows in our deeply divided culture.
The mask has been falling more and more lately.
Here's a mixed bag of good and bad news:
www.opensecrets.org
On the plus side, pro-gun organizations annually spend roughly 5x the amount of money that anti-gun organizations do on lobbying.
On the minus side, gun manufacturers spend less than the anti-gun people do on lobbying, when all but the big dogs will straight up die if anti-gun legislation goes into effect. (Which might be why so little money is being spent.)
Guns
www.opensecrets.org
On the plus side, pro-gun organizations annually spend roughly 5x the amount of money that anti-gun organizations do on lobbying.
On the minus side, gun manufacturers spend less than the anti-gun people do on lobbying, when all but the big dogs will straight up die if anti-gun legislation goes into effect. (Which might be why so little money is being spent.)
TBS’s Sam Bee Just Says It: I ‘Want to Take your Guns’
Samantha Bee recently admitted she lets politics invade her “comedy.” It’s the worst kept secret in Hollywood, a rule that virtually every mainstream comic follows in our deeply divided culture.
The mask has been falling more and more lately.
It would be more accurate to say that Bee sometimes let's comedy invade her politics.
prinCZess
Warrior, Writer, Performer, Perv
As update/nudge to folks here--since in storied speed-of-ATF-bullshit fashion it took two weeks to actually publish the new rule for comment when it should've taken, like, an hour...
Comment period has opened on the latest proposal to redefine the Frame or Receiver of a firearm and the below should take any interested straight to the commenting area (as well as full detailing of the rule):
Definition of “Frame or Receiver” and Identification of Firearms
The Department of Justice (``Department'') proposes amending Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (``ATF'') regulations to provide new regulatory definitions of ``firearm frame or receiver'' and ``frame or receiver'' because the current regulations fail to capture the full meaning...
www.federalregister.gov
Twenty State Attorney Generals have signed a letter opposing Bidens nominee to head the ATF, a fellow by the name of David Chipman.
f1onagher
Well-known member
Makes sense. Even if you aren't particularly pro-2A Chipman is an objectively horrible candidate for the position. Which is why he'll definitely get the slot because its the fucking ATF.Twenty State Attorney Generals have signed a letter opposing Bidens nominee to head the ATF, a fellow by the name of David Chipman.
Terthna
Professional Lurker
Yeah; if he somehow manages to push that through, he's not going to stop there. He's not going to stop until owning pepper spray is illegal, let along guns.
Terthna
Professional Lurker
Of course it is; after all, who ever heard of a day care center that lets kids play around with pepper spray?
Bear Ribs
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California's Assault Weapons Ban has been shot down as unconstitutional. Granted it's going to get appealed to the 9th circuit right away but it's still a step forward. Granted I suspect the most likely course here is, this is passed, the 9th overturns it because 9th, then the Supreme Court decides not to hear the appeal to them and we're back to square one.
www.firearmspolicy.org
BREAKING: FPC Wins “Assault Weapon” Lawsuit in Historic Victory for Second Amendment Rights
Today, Firearms Policy Coalition (FPC) announced that Judge Roger T. Benitez of the Southern District of California has issued an opinion in Miller v. Bonta (previously Miller v. Becerra), holding that California’s tyrannical ban on so-called “assault weapons” is unconstitutional under the...
www.firearmspolicy.org
prinCZess
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Second verse, same as the first. A whole lot louder and a whole lot worse...
ATF must of got mad butthurt about the California AW ruling and this brace bullshit getting shot down last time, and so without a readily-available supply of family dogs to take out their aggression on, they went 'back to the drawing board' and cooked up round 2...And dropped the sop of 'Free form-1' that had been knocking about on the topic.
Though, ironically, as I've seen some folks theorize in a 'glass half-full' kind of optimism, it does make for a fun potential foot-shooting. Since the point system they've devised makes virtually every braced pistol out there an SBR...Making SBRs extremely common-use items...Making them covered under Miller, and thus invalidating a prominent subsection of the NFA itself. Or that, more broadly, the massive redefinitions the ATF is twisting things into using 'rifle' and things that DO have congressionally-outlined definittions could get hit by a court as astoundingly silly...
Course, I hold zero hope of those theoretical positives being the end-result.
Does give a fun ranking system for who has the cooler, naughtier gun at the range, though. Now even poors with 8" mobile-flashbang poverty-pony stuff can brag about it being a 20 felony-point/freedom-point build.
Needless to say I find this proposal silly and the ATF going far beyond it's bounds. But that's nothing new.
Even if it passes though...I think the Agency is optimistic in their outline of how people will turn in, modify, or submit NFA stuff and shell out for tax stamps on the stuff.
California's Assault Weapons Ban has been shot down as unconstitutional. Granted it's going to get appealed to the 9th circuit right away but it's still a step forward. Granted I suspect the most likely course here is, this is passed, the 9th overturns it because 9th, then the Supreme Court decides not to hear the appeal to them and we're back to square one.
BREAKING: FPC Wins “Assault Weapon” Lawsuit in Historic Victory for Second Amendment Rights
Today, Firearms Policy Coalition (FPC) announced that Judge Roger T. Benitez of the Southern District of California has issued an opinion in Miller v. Bonta (previously Miller v. Becerra), holding that California’s tyrannical ban on so-called “assault weapons” is unconstitutional under the...
Reading the decision, the judge's logic seems very strong. To try and boil it down, his core point was that cali's AWB ban just arbitrary banned features for no reason, and more dammingly, that cali has maintained this policy for 30 years with increasing restrictions despite its constant failure to reach its goals. He also pointed out that the fundamental problem was that the a gun's lethality is largely determined by it's caliber and magazine size, not if it has a pistol grip or not.
However, aside from point about cali policy failing for 30 years, there were two really big points of note.
The first was a refutation of the "weapon of war" talking point when the judge cited the testimony of a retired army officer discussing the AR-15 as a militia weapon, which it earned praise for. But the officer praised it because it's easy to maintain and repair and is a flexible weapons platform, not because a semi auto rifle in 5.56 is a particularly lethal weapon.
His second big point was the actual logic of the evil features ban. Pistol grips and the like do makes guns easier to wield, though not significantly so. However, they do not make them easier to wield for criminal purposes then they do lawful ones, so cali's laws effectively punish everyone in the name of hurting criminals, which isn't how laws are supposed to work. Criminals can use cough syrup to make meth, so states responded by limiting how much you can buy at once, which meant citizens could have as much as they needed while criminals couldn't stock up as easily.
The California method would be to declare cough syrup a medicine of war because soldiers use a different brand of it, ban anyone from buying it in normal bottles, and instead you have to get a license to buy tiny little doses that are stored in containers that are intentionally uncomfortable and difficult to open.
Speaking of California gun policy, and also federal law to some extant, can I just complain for a moment about how unjust it is that so many gun laws just don't apply to Hollywood, because reasons? If AR-15s and 30 round magazines are too dangerous for civilians to own or have access to, that should apply across the board, particularly because normal people want them to defend themselves and Hollywood just wants to make money.
It wouldn't even stop them from making movies with such weapons if that exemption was lifted, they'd just need to go through the military to get access, same way they already do if they want a tank or jet fighter.
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Bear Ribs
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His logic is good and reasonable and I hope it goes somewhere, I just doubt it will. It has to get past the 9th circuit which is highly unlikely given their bias. This is the circuit that ruled that "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms" didn't apply outside the private home and there was no right to carry in any public location in March of this year.
If the 9th overturns it the ruling will go to the Supreme Court, which will likely refuse to hear it. People are already talking about how if the SC were to overturn the 9th, they will need to pack the courts in order to bring back the AWB. Right now the Supreme Court is pretty much neutered and will remain so until the question of court-packing is settled, as it seems to me they're being extremely cautious about any ruling that could upset the applecart, lest they get packed and made even more irrelevant.
That's a possible issue with the SC, but I'm not sure how likely it is. The dems don't have the votes for court packing and everyone know it, and given they've been making that threat every time SC reviews one of their pet causes, it's unlikely that Robert's is going to remain cowed by them forever.
He might have already grown a spine (or more like Barrett was the extra muscle the other 4 republican appointed justices needed to hold Robert's down and jam a spine into him). They agreed take an abortion case, and that's something far more dear to the left then guns.
He might have already grown a spine (or more like Barrett was the extra muscle the other 4 republican appointed justices needed to hold Robert's down and jam a spine into him). They agreed take an abortion case, and that's something far more dear to the left then guns.