Terthna
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It only seems like they became more shady because people are finally starting to realize that the organization's anti-American activities are still on-going, and not just something they used to do decades ago.
Gun Political Issues Megathread. (Control for or Against?)
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Witness says Good Samaritan shot the gunman in Olde Town Arvada
Arvada police and residents call the Good Samaritan killed in the Olde Town Square shooting a "true hero." They say his actions may have helped save lives. One witness says John Hurley urged people to get to safety and ran toward the gunman.
www.thedenverchannel.com
King Arts
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I remember reading that on 4chan. It's true also. Though there are things Americans should worry about. While guerilla movements have beaten the American Army before (see Vietnam and Afghanistan) and America freedom fighters do have advantages those groups did not have. Americans also have a weakness that comes from being a 1st world nation that is rich. That is weakness of spirit, an American who stands up for the 2nd amendment may say he is ready to fight the government. But he hasn't been tested and put through the shit, maybe allowing a government to be tyrannical and take guns or make more kids that are orphans trans is ok as long as he can have 3 meals a day, still have internet, etc. The thing a hypothetical American insurgent would have to worry about is dedication to the cause. Because the Viet Kong were fighting for national independence because they were tired of being a colony. The Taliban were doing the whole kick the invaders out, and have religion. And they actually believe in their religion and practice it. Is it worth it to give up the "good life" such as it is and basically decrease your standard of living?Relevant and in image form!
DocSolarisReich
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Guns are easy. Ammunition is hard. Spirit is harder.
King Arts
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Most definitely. While being limited to semi automatic weapons instead of fully automatic ones is not ideal. A hypotetical American population that was as determined to fight against Government forces and use similar tactics as the Viet Kong or Taliban could definitely overthrow the government. Or if not able to overthrow it cause a civil war so that the government becomes too weak to enforce it's removal of rights in many ways.
Chaos Marine
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There's the assumption that the entire military will side with the government or Biden in this case. I'm not sure of the percentages but I would guess (or hope) the side that would go against those in the government who's enacting a totalitarian regime change would be the larger group.
DarthOne
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Not to mention I have my doubts how effective said military will be, given the BS getting pushed. It looks like it'll increasingly be made up of 'diversity hires' (for lack of a better term), the True Believers of the Woke Cult and people who are just in it for the money.
Nothing I'd underestimate, as they do have access to plenty of nasty high-tech' toys', but eminently more beatable than a true military would be.
Most only stay in for roughly three to 6 years. Only those who actuallyblike the military stay in longer.
A lot if the high tech toys don't work without a lot of other peopls
King Arts
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At that point militias and rifles are not important it would become a true civil war with two actual equal sides.
I mean just look at the Obama era military they already had gays and women and sensitivity they still had good kill death rates. Any insurgency will be at a disadvantage and lose more than win.
You do know that a war on domestic front against domestic people it is diffremt then against a foreign enemy
King Arts
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You are saying that soldiers won’t obey an order to fight all enemies foreign and domestic? I mean here is the thing any group that is fighting against the government is likely to just be called terrorists. The government and media would demonize them and say they are extremist lunatics. Look at your boss applauding critical race theory and “white rage” at a group of mostly unarmed protesters that caused no permanent damage.
You di know that no soldier is stupid enough to get told "Shoot on them" and they are pointing at Americans and then shoot. Most MPs, Infantry. And combat arms would not listen.
You are an idiot if you think any soldier wants to willingly drploy on US soil against fellow Americans.
LindyAF
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Expect and prepare for the worst, anything that turns out better will be a pleasant surprise.
They do shoot paper citizens oversees though. Granted, paper citizens aren't actually Americans, but there's no legal distinction or distinction that most people consciously recognize.
IMO military/police types always seem to think it'd be much cleaner cut than civil wars have been since the ACW. That'd there'd be bright flashing signs saying Civil War time, that Biden would come out and give the emperor Palpatine speech from ROTS or something, and then they'd have a few months before they got their orders to mull it over and coordinate with each other.
Nah, you'd be getting told stuff like "national emergency," that you need to restore law and order so that we can just resolve things peacefully, that you're just needed to federalize the national guard, that you're only providing logistical support to the national guard, that they're only fighting White Nationalist and National Socialist terrorists and criminals which are being supported (or even actually are) by Russia and China.
No.
US soldiers, not a single one I have met and I have met plenty, want to ever have to use a weapon in anger on US Soil
King Arts
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No one cares what you want. Do you think most of your brothers in arms want to get deployed into Syria or whatever Islamic desert shithole is next? Do you think cops want to go patrolling in crime ridden shitholes like Chicago or Mineapolis or Detroit? No they still will go though because soldiers follow orders your job is not to think about them or debate you were trained to follow them.
LindyAF
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The specification of US Soil is bizarre and not really relevant, but it's not really about "want." It's like with police (which is pretty relevant even to the military, given there's a lot of crossover), and anything. It's not enough that police don't want to carry out, say, red flag orders. That doesn't mean anything for anyone outside of those organizations in practice. Even refusal to enforce while remaining in means very little.
The first meaningful level of actual disobedience would be resigning, but even that wouldn't get the military on your side, not with equipment and the organization structure intact, you're just getting loose people. Meaningful levels of actual disobedience that get that would involve lower level officers shooting their COs or something to take command of the unit, like some of the stuff that happened early on in the SCW.
King Arts
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I have a picture that describes what you are saying. A police officer complained about people seeing him as a traitor for “doing his job” even if he is against red flag laws or gun confiscations and even says why don’t you tell your boss to fuck off. I will find the tweet later, but it shows that police and military aren’t allies they are tools that obey who is in power, and need to be looked at that way.
DocSolarisReich
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Mercenaries are loyal to the paychest. The end.
Yes, which is why they are indoc'ing a new generation of officers and enlisted that will see domestic threats as the another prime mission to handle.
They know much of the current crop won't, which is why they aren't going for that red line just yet.
They've done the slow boil for a while; they can rig another election or two and built a new loyal officer core to act as commissars, I mean 'inclusion and diversity officers'.
Biden at least was honest in the he said the quiet part out loud. Internal armed rebellion to unseat an unConstitutional gov from DC and restore our Republic, in the nuclear age, is a completely different ballgame than the 'American Revolution 2.0' our Founders may have envisioned as necessary, if the US gov turned tyrannical.
And there are fewer and fewer good cops to go around. I expect more are loyal to their paycheck than the Constitution of the US.