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This makes the previously mentioned new posting requirements before accessing politics make more sense.
And that is something I can get behind. I simply don't support cracking down on and curtailing political discussion in order to foment that expansion, as some seem to want.
You misunderstood then. We're keeping the Politics but trying to expand our other parts of tje board to balance things out.
In that case, I would entirely be in favor of the post count threshold being even higher, anywhere from 25-100 post, if only to dissuade all but the most hardcore of trolls who sometimes come here to just troll politics with the added advantage of helping jumpstart the activity in the other sub-forums.
 

UltimatePaladin

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In that case, I would entirely be in favor of the post count threshold being even higher, anywhere from 25-100 post, if only to dissuade all but the most hardcore of trolls who sometimes come here to just troll politics with the added advantage of helping jumpstart the activity in the other sub-forums.
Not sure that is a good idea.

10 posts I think is sufficient enough - you have to show interest in other things to get onto the forum, but if you're just trying to shitpost to hit the required number it'll be obvious enough. 25, maybe. 100 is too much - it would end up killing the political sub-forum entirely.
 

Free-Stater 101

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Not sure that is a good idea.

10 posts I think is sufficient enough - you have to show interest in other things to get onto the forum, but if you're just trying to shitpost to hit the required number it'll be obvious enough. 25, maybe. 100 is too much - it would end up killing the political sub-forum entirely.
I agree that twenty five or thirty sounds like the best number.
 

Spartan303

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And that is something I can get behind. I simply don't support cracking down on and curtailing political discussion in order to foment that expansion, as some seem to want.


This makes the previously mentioned new posting requirements before accessing politics make more sense.


Yeah, sorry about that. This is where communications errors crop in. But yes, we are keeping the politics but trying to emphasize more things about the boards.
 

Terthna

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One thing I'd suggest is for the staff to have a plan in place in case civil war breaks out; I realize most people think that could never happen, but most didn't think what happened on the 6th could happen either.
 

Captain X

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Well I've had a hell of a time catching up, as I've been gone for some time, only to seemingly jump feet-first into a charlie foxtrox with no idea of what was going on.

I guess when I was first invited here, I was under a different impression of what this place was, and that impression was that unlike all the over various forums I've been a member of, I wasn't going to have to walk on eggshells when it came to expressing any political thoughts I might have, because the staff was made up of people who believed in free speech, and any moderation that had to be done would be done with an even hand and fairly, unlike those other boards I talked about, which have basically become SJW strongholds, where you get banned for being anything to the right of Marx, or if they do keep you around, it's basically to have a whipping boy/punching bag. So my first impressions were that, in spite of having to deal with all those annoying fundies/trads again, it was still preferable to the leftist echo-chambers basically every other SF/Fantasy board has turned into because "sCi-fI hAs ALwaYs BeeN pROgreSiVe."

Now, having read through some of what went down, I'm going to say that I'm only a little less alarmed, largely because all this talk of "sedition" being illegal and thus banned from discussion. So what if I've seen all this evidence of the election being stolen, government officials ignoring their duty or abusing their power, and think it might be a hard fight to get these commies out of our government so we can have our Republic back, and kind of want to discuss that? Am I going to get banned for suggesting that the government we're lining up to get might be working against the American people and might in fact be agents of the Chinese government? Or reminding people how the United States gained its independence and was founded to begin with? Or that I'm pretty convinced that this country is pretty fucked and am desperately in search of a solution that doesn't involve "a rifle behind every blade of grass?" Am I going to have to start walking on eggshells again? And here I was checking out the SFDebris forum again, because I've been out of sci-fi nerd spaces for a while, and wouldn't you know it, but it's still a cesspool of identity politics in everything, and no one is interested in discussing anything that has to do with anything else, but, oh, hey, remember that Sietch place? So I wander back here only to find this crap? Keep in mind, I've actually recommended this place to a few people myself even during my absence from it, and now I'm kind of wondering if they even bothered or not.

/rant

Okay, if you want something constructive as to the actual administration of this place, as someone who does run their own pitiful little BBS, I have to ask - what are the controls for usergroups like? My forum has really simple, convenient controls that allow one to create and maintain the groups separately, or on a user-to-user basis, with a nice little checklist of all the usergroups listed that you can check or uncheck for each user. You can create forums with only certain usergroups being able to view and/or access it. You can adjust settings within usergroups to automatically include users in them based on just being registered, or having a specific post count, or to require manual inclusion by an admin or mod. Does XF have these abilities?
 

Free-Stater 101

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If that happens I think everyone will have bigger concerns than a forum.
I agree, we are pretty much small fry here, and odds are pretty much everything we have said are on a way back machine somewhere anyway so what use would anybody have to attack the server?

In any case, while I understand Terntha's meaning and wouldn't chastise the staff for preparing for the unthinkable I doubt it would change much, at most the staff could delete all PM's.

Seriously, unless the president himself makes an account here or somebody here makes vauge threats to those in power, nobody is likely to do anything about us.

(...On a joking and non-political note, what would the staffs plan be for the President setting up a Sietch account publically?... :p )
 
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LTR

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Just to make this more official. This thread is for discussing suggestions on improving the forum going forward, not endless roundabout discussion on the current forum affairs. While the latter has some tangential merit towards potentially improving the forum, it's mostly just words and noise with little actual substantive suggestions on the actual topic of going forward.

Anymore derails or prolonged back and forth discussions on topics already extensively discussed will be pruned to the appropriate thread to prevent more substantial discussion from being drowned or crowded out.

It's not off topic. It's besides the point in that while there's some interest in having a discourse on the topic you mentioned, any spaghetti discussion back and forth is detrimental to the idea of generating ideas on 'Going Forward.' This thread is already approaching twenty pages long and it's mostly been the same back and forth we've had in other threads and very little in the 'Going Forward' style suggestions that was the original intention of the topic and thread.

Stating, I think there should be more of a focus on Free Discourse as opposed to a Right Wing Space is fine (and has already been brought up ad nauseam in this thread) but the discussion hasn't actually led to any actual substantial suggestions beyond the original point and the many words generated in the ensuing discussion. After a while it's just noise that dominates the thread in lieu of anything else substantive.
 

Terthna

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Just to make this more official. This thread is for discussing suggestions on improving the forum going forward, not endless roundabout discussion on the current forum affairs. While the latter has some tangential merit towards potentially improving the forum, it's mostly just words and noise with little actual substantive suggestions on the actual topic of going forward.

Anymore derails or prolonged back and forth discussions on topics already extensively discussed will be pruned to the appropriate thread to prevent more substantial discussion from being drowned or crowded out.
The only problem I have with that is the fact that said appropriate thread is still locked; not that that matters, because it's also located within the politics subforum. Here's a suggestion; maybe the thread meant for discussing this forum shouldn't be tied inexorably to politics.
 

Airedale260

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As for moving forward, I was wondering if maybe host gaming events. Like, How many here play BattleTech on Tabletop? Maybe have a Forum wide game or series of games to view and or participate in?

I haven’t played in years but that’s mainly because the few people I knew have kind of dropped off the radar. I’m totally up for it, or D&D, or what have you.

Granted it might be easier via MegaMek, Roll20, or what have you but I do enjoy RP stuff.
 

Bear Ribs

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I dont mean to cause offense, and that may not be your intent. I'll take you at your word that it isnt. But it is an observation I've made. And in light of LTRs post I wont bring it up further.

As for moving forward, I was wondering if maybe host gaming events. Like, How many here play BattleTech on Tabletop? Maybe have a Forum wide game or series of games to view and or participate in?
I used to play online quite a bit though I found Battletech too complicated for play-by-post. Plenty of DnD, Mekton Zeta, and Star Wars Saga Edition though.
 

ShieldWife

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So, I must confess that my dissatisfaction with the Sietch is growing the longer the politics section remains closed. I understand that there are issues with the transition and we should all try to be patient, but patience must also have its limits. Our nation is in the midst of a coup and all dissent on the internet is being silenced in a massive coordinated effort by giant corporations. This is the time where people must be allowed to discuss politics, because we are on the cusp of losing the ability entirely and permanently.
 

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