EU German Elections 2021: The End of the Merkel Era

[Husky_Khan]

BBC has a guide to the elections and what Party might replace sixteen years of Merkel's Druidship over Germania. The big favorites are the center-right Christian Democratic Union which is Merkel's party and the center-left Social Democratic Party which has a narrow lead in the polls.

German elections 2021: Simple guide to vote ending Merkel era

Germans are choosing a new government on Sunday. This is how the vote works.

www.bbc.com

 

[Buba]

The article does not say much, TBH.
I could had predicted that either the CDU/CSU or SPD will win 70 years ago ...
The only good thing about the text is that finally I think that I understand how the damn "overhang seats" thingy works.

 

[Buba]

So, some sort of coalition of three of the four biggest wokist parties?
CDU/CSU+FDP+Greens
or
SPD+FDP+Greens
?
Which will change fuck all ... leftards one and all ...

 

[Lord Sovereign]

Oof, AFD didn't do well. They've lost eleven seats.

Is the party platform unpopular or something?

 

[Buba]

Oof, AFD didn't do well. They've lost eleven seats.

In a +700-seat Parliament that's not much. The popular vote was still c.10%.
Also - effect of the chaotic, messy German electoral system.

 

[Sobek]

Oof, AFD didn't do well. They've lost eleven seats.

Is the party platform unpopular or something?

From what I have seen the average German is painfully indoctrinated to hate the AfD to the point of a knee jerk reaction so violent you would think they touched a red hot stove or something. Seriously the sort of allegations and description of the AfD are on the realm of "Trump will make it so only whites can come to the USA and deport all Latinos" except instead of twitter morons saying it it's mainstream media.

 

[Culsu]

I certainly didn't help their case that they've spent the past three years by tearing themselves apart in internal power struggles, didn't have any dedicated media strategy, did do jack shit to set up a professional and coordinated own (social) media presence to counter and preempt official narratives, then danced to the tunes of the overwhelmingly leftwing media establishment if it suited one side or the other of the internal power struggle. That they linked themselves to a deeply unpopular hodge-podge of groups critical of anti-CoViD measures represented by conspiracy nuts and extreme rightwing figures more or less kicked them in the balls. As icing to the cake their campaigning has been utterly lacklustre and barely present in to public perception. Honestly, I'm surprised they managed to stay above 10% of the vote. I'm deeply dissatisfied with them and their conduct.

As for the rest of the election: I'm pretty certain that four years of a majority leftwing coalition government will cripple the middle class and the economy beyond repair. The whole leftwing's focus on "climate" and immigration will see to it that this country steps over the edge and into abyss. Even the FDP is asking for up to half a million new immigrants per year (for the economy, yeah, right, because that's realistic), and they are the least left wing of the lot.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

I certainly didn't help their case that they've spent the past three years by tearing themselves apart in internal power struggles, didn't have any dedicated media strategy, did do jack shit to set up a professional and coordinated own (social) media presence to counter and preempt official narratives, then danced to the tunes of the overwhelmingly leftwing media establishment if it suited one side or the other of the internal power struggle. That they linked themselves to a deeply unpopular hodge-podge of groups critical of anti-CoViD measures represented by conspiracy nuts and extreme rightwing figures more or less kicked them in the balls. As icing to the cake their campaigning has been utterly lacklustre and barely present in to public perception. Honestly, I'm surprised they managed to stay above 10% of the vote. I'm deeply dissatisfied with them and their conduct.

As for the rest of the election: I'm pretty certain that four years of a majority leftwing coalition government will cripple the middle class and the economy beyond repair. The whole leftwing's focus on "climate" and immigration will see to it that this country steps over the edge and into abyss. Even the FDP is asking for up to half a million new immigrants per year (for the economy, yeah, right, because that's realistic), and they are the least left wing of the lot.

I remember you talking about that a while ago. They seem to be a microcosm of the right's woes as just being "anti" something isn't quite enough to keep a movement together. Many factions can be anti-something but that doesn't mean they'll get along, which leads to infighting and weakness. And I had a horrible feeling they'd indulge in some Covid conspiracy stuff (the Dutch FVD party shot themselves in the foot here as well. It caused a massive split). A lot of right wing movements have done it and I fear that's set us back by quite a few years. Couple that with the right being a bit "dinosaur" towards media and you have a recipe for political impotency.

Would I be wrong in saying that many Germans wouldn't be against the platform and policy of a strong, united and prosperous German fatherland, it's just that they see the AfD as a broken tool that just can't get the job done?

That aside, perhaps the best course of action for the European right (and that goes for the Brits as well) going forward are "soft coups" of establishment right parties. It's what the MAGA crowd are up to at the moment and it seems to be working. With the CDU having been hammered, maybe there's an opportunity for Germany's patriots?

 

[Sobek]

Let me guess: AfD is completly taken over by the same retarded belief that the media treats them fairly and they need to "appeal to the majority" that the media props up instead of the majority they could find like the Tories in the UK, and as such they have a intense battle over non-issues that only serve to make actual right wingers think they don't care about them while doing fuck all to change their own image of being far-right because they are under the impression that they can get "fair media coverage" despite the constant slander?

 

[Abhorsen]

The FDP did decent, so I'm happy.

 

[Prince Ire]

Oof, AFD didn't do well. They've lost eleven seats.

Is the party platform unpopular or something?

They deny manmade climate change and are anti-vax, both of which are bad political positions to hold in Germany.

 

[Sobek]

By that do you mean they hold those positions exactly as they were said, or do you mean the media says they hold it when they in fact are against "Green New Deal" and "Mandatory Covid Vaxx"? Because I feel it's the later.

I tried to argue that the AfD are not neo-nazis on youtube. It's insane. The Germans just repeat the same claims (They have nazis, they are racist and far right) and never back it, one retard DOUBLE DOWN to claim the AfD wants to kick all immigrants out, ALL OF THEM, legal or illegal. That they called Jews aliens and don't recognize gay people. Really.

 

[Culsu]

Would I be wrong in saying that many Germans wouldn't be against the platform and policy of a strong, united and prosperous German fatherland, it's just that they see the AfD as a broken tool that just can't get the job done?

If that party could present a united front towards the public/media? It's safe to say 25% of the vote would certainly be a feasible goal.

Let me guess: AfD is completly taken over by the same retarded belief that the media treats them fairly and they need to "appeal to the majority" that the media props up instead of the majority they could find like the Tories in the UK, and as such they have a intense battle over non-issues that only serve to make actual right wingers think they don't care about them while doing fuck all to change their own image of being far-right because they are under the impression that they can get "fair media coverage" despite the constant slander?

Worse. They actually know the media won't play a fair game with them, and they still fail to set up alternative structures.

They deny manmade climate change and are anti-vax, both of which are bad political positions to hold in Germany.

Broadly yes to the former, no to the latter. What they are against is vaccination mandates.

By that do you mean they hold those positions exactly as they were said, or do you mean the media says they hold it when they in fact are against "Green New Deal" and "Mandatory Covid Vaxx"? Because I feel it's the later.

They doubt that humans have a significant influence on global climate, state that the whole topic is way too complex to go for easy solutions (what's the impact of solar cycles, for example, or cloud formation, etc. ...) and, above all, are fervent in their belief that Germany's contribution to the whole global issue is so neglible that there is simply no justification for the sort of utterly intrusive and costly policies the other parties favor.

I tried to argue that the AfD are not neo-nazis on youtube. It's insane. The Germans just repeat the same claims (They have nazis, they are racist and far right) and never back it, one retard DOUBLE DOWN to claim the AfD wants to kick all immigrants out, ALL OF THEM, legal or illegal. That they called Jews aliens and don't recognize gay people. Really.

The average German is utterly indoctrinated against anything past the center right; decades of a leftwing shift in media and politics have seen to that. That being said, the average German is also about as politically uninformed as any other Western citizen. The overall irony, however, is that the AfD actually has a fair amount of members with immigrant backgrounds and a decent share of the vote of the immigrant community. As for the Jewish thing... I suppose those people don't know the AfD actually has, you know, a Jewish caucus?! 😏 That they have openly homosexual members and representatives? I mean, Alice friggin' Weidel is a lesbian! They do recognize gay people. It's just that they don't cater to the same LGBTQ+ agenda everybody else does but rather would prefer the classical family model.

 

[Culsu]

The FDP did decent, so I'm happy.

The FDP wants up to 500.000 immigrants per year. That in and by itself makes them unelectable for any kind of German patriot. We'd need to limit immigration to less than a tenth of that to actually get a hold of the situation!

 

[Buba]

They doubt that humans have a significant influence on global climate, state that the whole topic is way too complex to go for easy solutions (what's the impact of solar cycles, for example, or cloud formation, etc. ...) and, above all, are fervent in their belief that Germany's contribution to the whole global issue is so neglible that there is simply no justification for the sort of utterly intrusive and costly policies the other parties favor.

This alone would had given AfD my vote

 

[Lord Sovereign]

If that party could present a united front towards the public/media? It's safe to say 25% of the vote would certainly be a feasible goal.

What is the cause of this disastrous infighting, might I ask? Is it just standard squabbling for power and position or are their ideological fractures within the party?

Regardless, one faction needs to win and unite the AfD quickly. Because Germany will have need of a patriotic party more than ever in the coming years.

 

[49ersfootball]

When does Merkel officially leave office ?

 

[Marduk]

This alone would had given AfD my vote

And that's one of the reasons why Germany's establishment finds them intolerable. They challenge an unspoken of (in Germany) energy policy grift with billions on the line and Russian influence op involved.
So who do those who challenge the climate hysteria actually challenge?
1. Putin. See: whole Nord stream 2 debacle. Check out what's Gerhard Schroeder doing these days. For all the talk about how Putin is bad, Germany is dependent on Russia's gas, and in fact is needing more of it with the increasingly ambitious CO2 targets. And that's because gas and renewables are the only acceptable energy sources in climate hysteric's world, while you can't power a major first world country with renewables alone. So Putin can feel safe that Germany can't press him too hard no matter what because he holds Germany's heating and industry hostage, and he gets paid for it.
If Germany was free to switch to an energy mix that makes good relations with Russia completely optional... that wouldn't be a happy time for Putin.
2. Green idiots, probably still useful idiots for their former handlers. No nuclear for you because they exist, and even have a relatively successful party. Probably lots of leftist activists in education and media to blame for that.
3. Renewable energy sector. Selling renewables is a good business that is possible mostly thanks to massive subsidy regimes thanks to the whole climate hysteria related policy. Take that away, suddenly they have to compete with coal, take away green idiots, suddenly they have to compete with nuclear, they know it, their political sponsors know it, so its a great moneyed relationship for sure.

 

[Buba]

And that's one of the reasons why Germany's establishment finds them intolerable. SNIP

Amen to all you wrote.
Besides German politicians - or influential ex-policians - in Russian pay and serving the Russian energy exporting sector there also is the whole industry of making money on the AGM hysteria. Hence all entrenched groups of crooks and fuckwits have an interest to keep the AfD down.

 

[Tyzuris]

When does Merkel officially leave office ?

When the government coalition negotiations have been finished and the new governing coalition has finished negotiating a governing program (that is accepted by all parties in the upcoming governing coalition) for its term. Until then, Merkel's government will stay as a caretaker government running things along till the new coalition is sworn in but not making any major political moves anymore.