United States George Floyd Protests, Reactions and Riots

[Terthna]

Oh, I didn't mean "cut US away completely", just "settle non-US trade in non-US currencies"...

And what do you think would happen if we cut China away complexity in response? Because unless Biden gets into office, that's where I see this conflict going if China doesn't stop playing games with us.

 

[Tryglaw]

And what do you think would happen if we cut China away complexity in response? Because unless Biden gets into office, that's where I see this conflict going if China doesn't stop playing games with us.

1. As there is no internationally binding law for sovereign nations to settle their foreign trade exclusively with USD and through US-controlled SWIFT, it would motivate everybody else to cut the US loose something fierce, knowing they could be next each time they won't dance to Uncle Sam's tune.
From there it depends how ham-fisted will the US leadership be to strong-arm it's allies / vassals to go "USD, USD über alles."
Germany and France aren't exactly happy with the US these days, the so called United States' Overseas Territory (also known as the United Kingdom) has left the club so won't be there to block things, EUR could replace USD in EU trade with China, Russia, all of SCO really. IIRC EUR already did replace a lot of USD in dealing with Russia, and guess what, in Europe you can settle via German banks with China directly in EUR. We'd simply go from "we can do that if we choose to" to "we choose to do that all the time". Sure, US could sanction EU exports into US, and that would hurt a lot, but it's only a matter of time when loosing Chinese / SCO market will hurt more. And when the SCO market is worth more then the US one, well, the choice won't be all that hard, will it?

2. China looses US market for it's goods, US looses Chinese market for it's products, and China as source of cheap goods, and Chinese market for US debt instruments. Both economies suffer greatly. Meanwhile China and all of SCO drop the USD and SWIFT from it's settlements like a hot potato, US finds itself with drastically reduced demand for USD and it's banking system.
Which is precisely why the owners of the US financial system will never allow this.

3. Unless US threatens / starts World War 3, USD looses it's status as world trade / reserve currency, as does SWIFT monopoly on interbank settlement, replaced by whatever systems SCO and EU implement.

 

[Bacle]

1. As there is no internationally binding law for sovereign nations to settle their foreign trade exclusively with USD and through US-controlled SWIFT, it would motivate everybody else to cut the US loose something fierce, knowing they could be next each time they won't dance to Uncle Sam's tune.
From there it depends how ham-fisted will the US leadership be to strong-arm it's allies / vassals to go "USD, USD über alles."
Germany and France aren't exactly happy with the US these days, the so called United States' Overseas Territory (also known as the United Kingdom) has left the club so won't be there to block things, EUR could replace USD in EU trade with China, Russia, all of SCO really. IIRC EUR already did replace a lot of USD in dealing with Russia, and guess what, in Europe you can settle via German banks with China directly in EUR. We'd simply go from "we can do that if we choose to" to "we choose to do that all the time". Sure, US could sanction EU exports into US, and that would hurt a lot, but it's only a matter of time when loosing Chinese / SCO market will hurt more. And when the SCO market is worth more then the US one, well, the choice won't be all that hard, will it?

2. China looses US market for it's goods, US looses Chinese market for it's products, and China as source of cheap goods, and Chinese market for US debt instruments. Both economies suffer greatly. Meanwhile China and all of SCO drop the USD and SWIFT from it's settlements like a hot potato, US finds itself with drastically reduced demand for USD and it's banking system.
Which is precisely why the owners of the US financial system will never allow this.

3. Unless US threatens / starts World War 3, USD looses it's status as world trade / reserve currency, as does SWIFT monopoly on interbank settlement, replaced by whatever systems SCO and EU implement.

If businesses want to continue to do business in the Western Hemisphere, they have to use the USD and submit to US banking laws.

USMCA and Latin American economies are insurance against this sort of threat, insurance China and others cannot touch unless they want war.

 

[Terthna]

1. As there is no internationally binding law for sovereign nations to settle their foreign trade exclusively with USD and through US-controlled SWIFT, it would motivate everybody else to cut the US loose something fierce, knowing they could be next each time they won't dance to Uncle Sam's tune.
From there it depends how ham-fisted will the US leadership be to strong-arm it's allies / vassals to go "USD, USD über alles."
Germany and France aren't exactly happy with the US these days, the so called United States' Overseas Territory (also known as the United Kingdom) has left the club so won't be there to block things, EUR could replace USD in EU trade with China, Russia, all of SCO really. IIRC EUR already did replace a lot of USD in dealing with Russia, and guess what, in Europe you can settle via German banks with China directly in EUR. We'd simply go from "we can do that if we choose to" to "we choose to do that all the time". Sure, US could sanction EU exports into US, and that would hurt a lot, but it's only a matter of time when loosing Chinese / SCO market will hurt more. And when the SCO market is worth more then the US one, well, the choice won't be all that hard, will it?

2. China looses US market for it's goods, US looses Chinese market for it's products, and China as source of cheap goods, and Chinese market for US debt instruments. Both economies suffer greatly. Meanwhile China and all of SCO drop the USD and SWIFT from it's settlements like a hot potato, US finds itself with drastically reduced demand for USD and it's banking system.
Which is precisely why the owners of the US financial system will never allow this.

3. Unless US threatens / starts World War 3, USD looses it's status as world trade / reserve currency, as does SWIFT monopoly on interbank settlement, replaced by whatever systems SCO and EU implement.

I don't think you understand the global economic situation as it stands right now; for one thing, no other currency could conceivably replace the USD as the global reserve currency. The only ones that theoretically could (the Euro and the Yuan) are simply too unstable for anyone to bother with. For another, we're already withdrawing from the global economic marketplace, barring a short list of countries we've already made deals with (which includes neither the EU, nor China); quite frankly, we can live without the rest of the world (heck, our economy would be better off without us having to prop everyone else up), but the rest of the world will be ruined without America's support. Because for one thing, they rely entirely on us to protect their shipping lanes; and most cannot afford to do that themselves.

I suggest you look up Peter Zeihan and his work regarding the global economy and America's place in it; because we're less reliant on it than you seem to realize.

 

[Tryglaw]

If businesses want to continue to do business in the Western Hemisphere, they have to use the USD and submit to US banking laws.

USMCA and Latin American economies are insurance against this sort of threat, insurance China and others cannot touch unless they want war.

It's not banking laws that are the issue you should know. It's the rest of the planet bankrolling the US debt by buying up money the FED quantitatively eases for settling international trade, and spending that money via interbank system the US is controlling. All while the US is exporting it's inflation to all USD users.

That is the issue, and the fact that since the US Gov is so sanction-happy these days, it de facto claims universal jurisdiction over each and every US Dollar in existence, no matter on which bank account these currently are. So in practical terms buying the USD is more like buying a software license then actual goods - you just buy the right to use it rather then goods themselves per se in conventional sense. And you may only use in US-approved ways, or sanctions.

That, is the problem.

China and Russia already have a system to avoid both in their trade, so it's only a matter of others joining up. The harder the US pressures, the more incentive to do so it creates. Famous quote by Princess Leia about clenched fist and systems slipping between the fingers comes to mind.

Heck, I recall reading about Saudi Arabia of all the people selling oil to China against the Juan, as Iran already does - which is more then likely why does the US itch for another Gulf war in case of the latter...

In either case, situation will get tricky when we get to the point where doing business in the Western (well, US) and Eastern Hemisphere will become mutually exclusive, and China / SCO become a bigger / more lucrative market then the US one.

US dropping out of the Iran nuclear deal irked the EU something fierce, and as you probably saw the EU didn't back extension of Iran embargo even though US told us to.

Turkey these last days just went and ordered another batch of S-400 missile system from Russia despite US telling it not to. That is, a NATO country chose to deal with Russia over the US even though it got removed from the F-35 programme as result, and still went through with it.
India turned to Russia, not US, for arms during their recent border issues with China. More and more EU nations pass digital tax (or prepare to) on US giants despite White House telling them not to. Hell, Poland just passed a sugar tax on sweet drinks and is favouring a digital tax despite the US Ambassador (and I swear that one acts like she's a plantation overseer at times) ordering us in all but name not to. And the US wasn't even invited to our latest arms procurement programme.

In the end it boils down to one simple question - when will it be more lucrative to choose the East, when having to choose between East and West? For the moment the US is the more profitable choice, but when that is no longer the case... Ham-fisted conduct of the White House certainly doesn't help either. Germany has already enough of US "leadership", especially over the Nord Stream 2 issue.

I don't think you understand the global economic situation as it stands right now; for one thing, no other currency could conceivably replace the USD as the global reserve currency. The only ones that theoretically could (the Euro and the Yuan) are simply too unstable for anyone to bother with. For another, we're already withdrawing from the global economic marketplace, barring a short list of countries we've already made deals with (which includes neither the EU, nor China); quite frankly, we can live without the rest of the world (heck, our economy would be better off without us having to prop everyone else up), but the rest of the world will be ruined without America's support. Because for one thing, they rely entirely on us to protect their shipping lanes; and most cannot afford to do that themselves.

I suggest you look up Peter Zeihan and his work regarding the global economy and America's place in it; because we're less reliant on it than you seem to realize.

And right back at you - I am well aware of US point of view on this, be it Zeihan or Stratfor (which is basically a CIA outlet anyway...) but I'll offer you European POV in response - if you are withdrawing from the global market, well, then you are withdrawing and best of luck on your way out.

With you withdrawing we have no choice but to make do without you - seeing as we did manage to do so for absolute majority of our history, last century being an exception to the rule, we're certainly not going to stop you.

Good thing if this just might give the EU the much needed kick to get it's act together and form an uniform superstate.

We certainly won't need the USD and US-controlled interbank system then, but without the EU and SCO good luck trying to find financial markets with the depth to buy all that money the FED prints then, because Mexico and Canada sure as hell won't do.

We (EU) also don't need you to keep the shipping lines to China open anymore, between the One Belt One Road initiative from China the railway connections via Russia work perfectly fine, and are more then twice as fast as sea route to Europe (two weeks against four to five depending on EU port of destination). With the added bonus of:
1. being unblockable by US Navy,
2. giving access to all of Euro-Asian landmass, both ways.

Also, with the thawing of the northern ice sheets, there are new, northern sea routes going from Chinese waters, via Russian waters, "over" Scandinavia to EU. And faster then the old routes too, saving over a week worth of sailing while at it. No need for you to "protect them" in either case.

But just imagine the world with a protectionist (dare I say, Juche ) US on one side, and EU plus SCO - so all the actors that matter on Euro-Asian landmass - on the other... We'll have un-sanction-able internal trade routes going by railway / roads / national waters, no need for US currency or US banking system, with the added benefit of not being pulled to US wars we need like JFK needed that parade in Dallas...

So anyway, best of luck to you, we'll manage from here.

 

[Terthna]

And right back at you - I am well aware of US point of view on this, be it Zeihan or Stratfor (which is basically a CIA outlet anyway...) but I'll offer you European POV in response - if you are withdrawing from the global market, well, then you are withdrawing and best of luck on your way out.

With you withdrawing we have no choice but to make do without you - seeing as we did manage to do so for absolute majority of our history, last century being an exception to the rule, we're certainly not going to stop you.

Good thing if this just might give the EU the much needed kick to get it's act together and form an uniform superstate.

We certainly won't need the USD and US-controlled interbank system then, but without the EU and SCO good luck trying to find financial markets with the depth to buy all that money the FED prints then, because Mexico and Canada sure as hell won't do.

We (EU) also don't need you to keep the shipping lines to China open anymore, between the One Belt One Road initiative from China the railway connections via Russia work perfectly fine, and are more then twice as fast as sea route to Europe (two weeks against four to five depending on EU port of destination). With the added bonus of:
1. being unblockable by US Navy,
2. giving access to all of Euro-Asian landmass, both ways.

Also, with the thawing of the northern ice sheets, there are new, northern sea routes going from Chinese waters, via Russian waters, "over" Scandinavia to EU. And faster then the old routes too, saving over a week worth of sailing while at it. No need for you to "protect them" in either case.

But just imagine the world with a protectionist (dare I say, Juche ) US on one side, and EU plus SCO - so all the actors that matter on Euro-Asian landmass - on the other... We'll have un-sanction-able internal trade routes going by railway / roads / national waters, no need for US currency or US banking system, with the added benefit of not being pulled to US wars we need like JFK needed that parade in Dallas...

So anyway, best of luck to you, we'll manage from here.

No offense, but the European POV seems utterly delusional; which, to be honest, is rather par for the course it seems, considering all the nonsense that has come out of that part of the world over the past few decades. For one thing, your plan seems to rely on China not collapsing economically, when pretty much every sign points to that being inevitable; with their One Belt One Road initiative falling apart with them. Then there's the fact that the European Union itself isn't long for this world either; so Europe, for the most part, isn't going to be working together on this. Which isn't even getting into the age demographic issues both you and China have, and that's a crisis all by itself.

I just don't believe you understand the challenges that Europe are going to face in a world without America holding their hand, and it's not going to be pleasant when the reality of the situation comes crashing down around you. Who knows though; maybe you'll be able to pull through anyways. It's not like I'm hoping that you won't; but I think America is just about done with helping you ungrateful jerks. Survive or die on your own terms; we're out. Also, we're taking the UK with us; so have fun with that.

 

[Bacle]

It's not banking laws that are the issue you should know. It's the rest of the planet bankrolling the US debt by buying up money the FED quantitatively eases for settling international trade, and spending that money via interbank system the US is controlling. All while the US is exporting it's inflation to all USD users.

That is the issue, and the fact that since the US Gov is so sanction-happy these days, it de facto claims universal jurisdiction over each and every US Dollar in existence, no matter on which bank account these currently are. So in practical terms buying the USD is more like buying a software license then actual goods - you just buy the right to use it rather then goods themselves per se in conventional sense. And you may only use in US-approved ways, or sanctions.

That, is the problem.

China and Russia already have a system to avoid both in their trade, so it's only a matter of others joining up. The harder the US pressures, the more incentive to do so it creates. Famous quote by Princess Leia about clenched fist and systems slipping between the fingers comes to mind.

Heck, I recall reading about Saudi Arabia of all the people selling oil to China against the Juan, as Iran already does - which is more then likely why does the US itch for another Gulf war in case of the latter...

In either case, situation will get tricky when we get to the point where doing business in the Western (well, US) and Eastern Hemisphere will become mutually exclusive, and China / SCO become a bigger / more lucrative market then the US one.

US dropping out of the Iran nuclear deal irked the EU something fierce, and as you probably saw the EU didn't back extension of Iran embargo even though US told us to.

Turkey these last days just went and ordered another batch of S-400 missile system from Russia despite US telling it not to. That is, a NATO country chose to deal with Russia over the US even though it got removed from the F-35 programme as result, and still went through with it.
India turned to Russia, not US, for arms during their recent border issues with China. More and more EU nations pass digital tax (or prepare to) on US giants despite White House telling them not to. Hell, Poland just passed a sugar tax on sweet drinks and is favouring a digital tax despite the US Ambassador (and I swear that one acts like she's a plantation overseer at times) ordering us in all but name not to. And the US wasn't even invited to our latest arms procurement programme.

In the end it boils down to one simple question - when will it be more lucrative to choose the East, when having to choose between East and West? For the moment the US is the more profitable choice, but when that is no longer the case... Ham-fisted conduct of the White House certainly doesn't help either. Germany has already enough of US "leadership", especially over the Nord Stream 2 issue.



And right back at you - I am well aware of US point of view on this, be it Zeihan or Stratfor (which is basically a CIA outlet anyway...) but I'll offer you European POV in response - if you are withdrawing from the global market, well, then you are withdrawing and best of luck on your way out.

With you withdrawing we have no choice but to make do without you - seeing as we did manage to do so for absolute majority of our history, last century being an exception to the rule, we're certainly not going to stop you.

Good thing if this just might give the EU the much needed kick to get it's act together and form an uniform superstate.

We certainly won't need the USD and US-controlled interbank system then, but without the EU and SCO good luck trying to find financial markets with the depth to buy all that money the FED prints then, because Mexico and Canada sure as hell won't do.

We (EU) also don't need you to keep the shipping lines to China open anymore, between the One Belt One Road initiative from China the railway connections via Russia work perfectly fine, and are more then twice as fast as sea route to Europe (two weeks against four to five depending on EU port of destination). With the added bonus of:
1. being unblockable by US Navy,
2. giving access to all of Euro-Asian landmass, both ways.

Also, with the thawing of the northern ice sheets, there are new, northern sea routes going from Chinese waters, via Russian waters, "over" Scandinavia to EU. And faster then the old routes too, saving over a week worth of sailing while at it. No need for you to "protect them" in either case.

But just imagine the world with a protectionist (dare I say, Juche ) US on one side, and EU plus SCO - so all the actors that matter on Euro-Asian landmass - on the other... We'll have un-sanction-able internal trade routes going by railway / roads / national waters, no need for US currency or US banking system, with the added benefit of not being pulled to US wars we need like JFK needed that parade in Dallas...

So anyway, best of luck to you, we'll manage from here.

The USD has put a man on the Moon, and will putting a woman on there soon, before putting people on Mars.

The USD is going to the stars, who cares if we lose the old world markets. We have the Western Hemisphere and space, we have already won.

 

[Tryglaw]

The USD has put a man on the Moon, and will putting a woman on there soon, before putting people on Mars.

The USD is going to the stars, who cares if we lose the old world markets. We have the Western Hemisphere and space, we have already won.

And I wish you the best of luck in all your future endeavours.

 

[Tryglaw]

No offense, but the European POV seems utterly delusional; which, to be honest, is rather par for the course it seems, considering all the nonsense that has come out of that part of the world over the past few decades.

The same could be said about the US ideology of "indispensable nation", as it can't imagine the world making do without Uncle Sam's enlightened guidance...

For one thing, your plan seems to rely on China not collapsing economically, when pretty much every sign points to that being inevitable;

A great many things have been touted as "historically inevitable", it was a core principle of dialectic materialism no less. Few of them came true, funny enough. The US and the West collapsed in the 1920's, but they didn't stay that way. And if China does collapse, global recession will hit you likewise, less demand for the USD in global trade, your exports to China will tank, less demand for oil will depress prices killing your shale and so forth...

The same could be said about "inevitable US collapse", with the ever-growing gap between the ultra-rich and the rest;
come to think of it, you kind of resemble final days of Rome in that regard, or the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth in it's decline - the great magnates (or 1% (of 1%) if you please) were untouchable and lived like kings (it's called "too rich for jail" or "affluenza" in your case) while the corruption of the political system ("special interests" and "big donors") sees the country go to gutter around them, but fuck that, they've got theirs; then we have middle class shrinking (in size and wealth, as the tiny minority of ultra-rich become more ultra-rich leaving the rest to bite the dust), healthcare being more and more a thing for the rich as medical bankruptcies becoming more and more of a thing for everybody who isn't a 1%ter, identity / race politics and pseudo-science such as gender studies being with every year more and more prominent / dominant in your educational system and culture (never mind student debt), depletion of soil and domination of agro-chemical conglomerates (how many "free" farmers became Monsanto serfs in all but name via "intellectual property rights" of GMO seeds or firmware copyrights on agricultural machinery?), your automotive sector doesn't make anything that Germans or Japanese wouldn't make better, your biggest export being inflation of quantitatively eased USD, ect. ect.

See, we both can play that game.

with their One Belt One Road initiative falling apart with them.

Even in case of Chinese "inevitable collapse", the infrastructure created new economic connections outside of China, and these will continue - all the 'stats in Central Asia, Russia, south and south-west towards India, Pakistan, Iran and Turkey...

Meanwhile the Asia Infrastructure Investment Bank has over 100 members, nations like Germany and UK included.

Then there's the fact that the European Union itself isn't long for this world either;

So far it was UK / US meddling to prevent the EU from becoming a separate power / competitor. With US withdrawing, we will see a synergy of German technology and money and Russian resources.

so Europe, for the most part, isn't going to be working together on this. Which isn't even getting into the age demographic issues both you and China have, and that's a crisis all by itself.

Yes, it is. Not the first one we've had, not the last one. You are looking at things via 200 years of history, we have well over 9000 ten times that. It's a matter of perspective, really.

I just don't believe you understand the challenges that Europe are going to face in a world without America holding their hand, and it's not going to be pleasant when the reality of the situation comes crashing down around you. Who knows though; maybe you'll be able to pull through anyways. It's not like I'm hoping that you won't; but I think America is just about done with helping you ungrateful jerks. Survive or die on your own terms; we're out.

Strangely enough, we've managed well enough without you these past millennia, if not for us you wouldn't even exist.
And Europe has colonised / conquered the world without you "holding our hands", you should know since you started as a colony.

Though I guess we could have done without you propping Hitler up. Or the Soviets.

Also, we're taking the UK with us; so have fun with that.

Is the UK even aware of that? Last time I checked, UK diplomatic circles named the terms you gave them "worse then what they gave China" (after it's lost the Opium Wars...).

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But I guess we've derailed enough, let's agree to disagree and be friends despite our differences.

 

[Terthna]

The same could be said about the US ideology of "indispensable nation", as it can't imagine the world making do without Uncle Sam's enlightened guidance...



A great many things have been touted as "historically inevitable", it was a core principle of dialectic materialism no less. Few of them came true, funny enough. The US and the West collapsed in the 1920's, but they didn't stay that way. And if China does collapse, global recession will hit you likewise, less demand for the USD in global trade, your exports to China will tank, less demand for oil will depress prices killing your shale and so forth...

The same could be said about "inevitable US collapse", with the ever-growing gap between the ultra-rich and the rest;
come to think of it, you kind of resemble final days of Rome in that regard, or the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth in it's decline - the great magnates (or 1% (of 1%) if you please) were untouchable and lived like kings (it's called "too rich for jail" or "affluenza" in your case) while the corruption of the political system ("special interests" and "big donors") sees the country go to gutter around them, but fuck that, they've got theirs; then we have middle class shrinking (in size and wealth, as the tiny minority of ultra-rich become more ultra-rich leaving the rest to bite the dust), healthcare being more and more a thing for the rich as medical bankruptcies becoming more and more of a thing for everybody who isn't a 1%ter, identity / race politics and pseudo-science such as gender studies being with every year more and more prominent / dominant in your educational system and culture (never mind student debt), depletion of soil and domination of agro-chemical conglomerates (how many "free" farmers became Monsanto serfs in all but name via "intellectual property rights" of GMO seeds or firmware copyrights on agricultural machinery?), your automotive sector doesn't make anything that Germans or Japanese wouldn't make better, your biggest export being inflation of quantitatively eased USD, ect. ect.

See, we both can play that game.




Even in case of Chinese "inevitable collapse", the infrastructure created new economic connections outside of China, and these will continue - all the 'stats in Central Asia, Russia, south and south-west towards India, Pakistan, Iran and Turkey...

Meanwhile the Asia Infrastructure Investment Bank has over 100 members, nations like Germany and UK included.



So far it was UK / US meddling to prevent the EU from becoming a separate power / competitor. With US withdrawing, we will see a synergy of German technology and money and Russian resources.



Yes, it is. Not the first one we've had, not the last one. You are looking at things via 200 years of history, we have well over 9000 ten times that. It's a matter of perspective, really.



Strangely enough, we've managed well enough without you these past millennia, if not for us you wouldn't even exist.
And Europe has colonised / conquered the world without you "holding our hands", you should know since you started as a colony.

Though I guess we could have done without you propping Hitler up. Or the Soviets.



Is the UK even aware of that? Last time I checked, UK diplomatic circles named the terms you gave them "worse then what they gave China" (after it's lost the Opium Wars...).

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But I guess we've derailed enough, let's agree to disagree and be friends despite our differences.

Sure, whatever; parsing out and addressing the bullhonky would take way too much time for too little payoff anyways. For what it's worth though, what I said wasn't out of some inflated sense of nationalistic pride; I honestly believe you guys are screwed. Time will tell though, which one of us is right; and I'm kind of hoping it's not me.

 

[Zachowon]

And China and Russia are responding in kind.

Now imagine China drops the USD from it's foreign trade, settling in directly in national currencies of it's trade partners.
Iran already sells oil against Yuan to China, so does Russia.

Heck, imagine Shanghai Cooperation Organisation dropping the USD in favour of settling in national currencies, with their own interbank system replacing SWIFT.

If we stop trade with China we can recoup better then them

 

[Tiamat]

"AHEM" Getting back on the subject at hand...

Dinesh D'Souza had this observation to make about the current state of affairs, particularly with what's occurred so far up to last night, and he draws some rather ugly conclusions. Your mileage may vary, of course.

 

[Tryglaw]

"AHEM" Getting back on the subject at hand...

Dinesh D'Souza had this observation to make about the current state of affairs, particularly with what's occurred so far up to last night, and he draws some rather ugly conclusions. Your mileage may vary, of course.

That's basically de-legitimising democratic elections, and thus democracy itself. It seems democracy is being re-defined* by the left into "it's only democracy when we win".

Sounds familiar, doesn't it... We've had / have right now the same thing in Poland, albeit less virulent / violent. So called "democratic", but also called "total" opposition can't get over having lost the elections (both presidential and parliamentary, largely over being dysfunctional, arrogant and corrupt as fuck, though the currently ruling party seems to start suffering from the same issues that brought their predecessors down) and has been doing everything they can to de-legitimise the winning / ruling party. Even voting against Poland in EU parliament. And complaining over "lacking democracy" everywhere in the West, badmouthing (mildly put) Poland in the process. Which, to surprise of exactly nobody sane, caused them to... loose both elections again. Cue more butthurt, more cognitive dissonance as to why they lost, more whining and complaining and badmouthing Poland and basically acting, well, agents of foreign influence at best, all because the people dared reject them.

*Much like "fascist" these days is basically defined as "each and everybody who isn't to the left of left." In other words "not-a-Marxist".

 

[Arch Dornan]

Do it do it. Remove gibs. Soros and symphathisers can pay them.

 

[Arch Dornan]

Pretty plz don't knock I've been a good boi and stopped Drumpf sending the Nasty Little Girls.

GTFO Cuck. ACAB! Defund the police!



The cuck's letter.



What do you want the thrown objects to be?

 

[Husky_Khan]

Pretty plz don't knock I've been a good boi and stopped Drumpf sending the Nasty Little Girls.

GTFO Cuck. ACAB! Defund the police!



The cuck's letter.



What do you want the thrown objects to be?

Looks like the situation is out of control. The police should evacuate... let the protestors barricade the lobby. Lock down the entire apartment complex, board up all of the windows and exits. Let them work out their issues with the Mayor for the next few months before opening up the place again.

 

[gral]

What do you want the thrown objects to be?

Throwing water? Sissies. Water is what you throw on your neighbor's apartment when the party he's holding is still going on at 2:30 AM, as a warning. You show your contempt by throwing plastic sacks full of piss. If this shit continues, you go back to water - garbage plastic sacks full of water. These hurt when they hit.

 

[Archmagnus]

Throwing water? Sissies. Water is what you throw on your neighbor's apartment when the party he's holding is still going on at 2:30 AM, as a warning. You show your contempt by throwing plastic sacks full of piss. If this shit continues, you go back to water - garbage plastic sacks full of water. These hurt when they hit.

Bring back boiling oil

 

[Duke Nukem]

Bring back boiling oil

And if all else fails bring out the sulphuric acid

 

[Typhonis]

Boil the water first or use a fire truck.