Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
I'm incapable of responding I'm talking of the next generation who could do that.
United States George Floyd Protests, Reactions and Riots
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PeliusAnar
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Since that hold was authorized, then I know what defense I would go with if I was the officer. Push all the blame onto the city, about lack of training and improper standards.And that's where the greatest absurdity of the situation lies.
Minneapolis has a democrat mayor, governor and city council (to which Minneapolis PD answers). And not centrist ones, but from what we can see, quite left wing ones. The same people who want "nicer", higher quality and more progressive policing. These officials are being very sympathetic to the protests, some even excuse riots. They are already holding all the levers of power needed to make it happen, if possible at all. By all chance most of the people who are demanding reforms have voted for them, and will continue to do so.
So what's the holdup? Why isn't it happening if everyone there agrees it should?
Either:
a) Democrats don't want to do what they say they want to do and what their electorate wants
b) Democrats can't do what they promise for one reason or another but still promise what the electorate wants to hear
c) The reform side, especially its more radical wing, wants downright impossible things that no one can deliver (the abolish police people basically)
On the face of it, seeing things like these:
George Floyd death: Experts say knee-to-neck restraint is dangerous, but Minneapolis allows it
Law enforcement experts say the actions of four ex-cops involved in the death of George Floyd in Minneapolis violated a number of rules.eu.usatoday.com
Minneapolis City Council trims police budget increase to fund anti-violence efforts
City officials seek to quiet criticism of law enforcement while exploring alternatives to traditional policing.www.startribune.com
City Pages
www.citypages.com
Seems like the city government is not eager to fund the police (not surprising considering the electorate's sentiment) and in not unrelated note, has apparently obsolete police training standards and methods compared to the rest of the country (who would have thought that under-funding the police causes that?)
Considering these factors, i would say that it would be far more constructive if all the people who are protesting, rioting, or just expressing their sympathy, instead of doing that, each donated 1$ for MPD training.
Floridaman
Well-known member
yes but that would only work if the jury cares, most likely there is not going to be anything resembling consideration in the trial.
Knowledgeispower
Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
Man I feel sorry for whatever poor soul gets forced to be the judge for this case. The same goes for all the other court officers and especially the defence team. The Prosecution will be having the time of their lives though
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MelancholicMechanicus
Thought Criminal
We need gun control to stop violence!
People:
We medieval now boys
People:
We medieval now boys
"OrIgInAl aNtI-fAsCiStS"
Those bastards spit on the memory of 15 million men who beat the living hell out of real nazis and facists.
How dare they do this. "Anti-facist" my ass. My Grandfather rolled with Patton and for 15 months risked his life day after day.
These little brats would have shit themselves if they had to face what these men did. No, its long overdue for a "whiff of grape."
Knowledgeispower
Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
You know I get the feeling that after the inevitable guilty verdict the case will be appealed on the grounds of it not being possible to get a truly unbiased jury.
Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
Seriously why are they doing this?"OrIgInAl aNtI-fAsCiStS"
They have no idea what they've done.
This madness they're encouraging it will increase radicalization.
CarlManvers2019
Writers Blocked Douchebag
Well, obviously WWII's Veterans were all NAZI's, many people even those during the Cold War were all a bunch of horrible evil fascists for fighting Communism too
Floridaman
Well-known member
That is the commies goal, they are trying to provoke you.
Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
I think it's going to work eventually.
And that's where the greatest absurdity of the situation lies.
Minneapolis has a democrat mayor, governor and city council (to which Minneapolis PD answers). And not centrist ones, but from what we can see, quite left wing ones. The same people who want "nicer", higher quality and more progressive policing. These officials are being very sympathetic to the protests, some even excuse riots. They are already holding all the levers of power needed to make it happen, if possible at all. By all chance most of the people who are demanding reforms have voted for them, and will continue to do so.
So what's the holdup? Why isn't it happening if everyone there agrees it should?
Either:
a) Democrats don't want to do what they say they want to do and what their electorate wants
b) Democrats can't do what they promise for one reason or another but still promise what the electorate wants to hear
c) The reform side, especially its more radical wing, wants downright impossible things that no one can deliver (the abolish police people basically)
On the face of it, seeing things like these:
George Floyd death: Experts say knee-to-neck restraint is dangerous, but Minneapolis allows it
Law enforcement experts say the actions of four ex-cops involved in the death of George Floyd in Minneapolis violated a number of rules.eu.usatoday.comMinneapolis City Council trims police budget increase to fund anti-violence efforts
City officials seek to quiet criticism of law enforcement while exploring alternatives to traditional policing.City Pages
Seems like the city government is not eager to fund the police (not surprising considering the electorate's sentiment) and in not unrelated note, has apparently obsolete police training standards and methods compared to the rest of the country (who would have thought that under-funding the police causes that?)
Considering these factors, i would say that it would be far more constructive if all the people who are protesting, rioting, or just expressing their sympathy, instead of doing that, each donated 1$ for MPD training.
Nah.
The City Council, to the joy of the populace, cut over a million dollars from the MPD budget for 2019 and instead invested even more money (millions of dollars over the past decade) in various non-police oriented public safety initiatives like MPD 2.0 with Justice Department assessment, non-police outreach, mental health co-responders, non-police youth programs, public advisory boards, special domestic violence and sex worker intervention workers and so forth.
Meanwhile the police force actually shrunk from a high ten years ago of almost 910-950 officers down to 840 and over the past six years or so scratched back up to 880 Officers, of which only 600 can respond to calls. The police force is older, lives out of the city and not diverse because they've barely hired forty officers over the past decade. So all of the money wasted on cadet programs, mental health co-responders, community outreach, proactive policing and whatnot goes on the back burner because last year over 1200 Priority One Calls (ie calls that were responded to a shooting, assault or other serious crime or felony) went unanswered because there were no police officers available.
But yes... defund them, by all means! It's clearly their fault that the city has grown in size while the police force has actually shrunk in this past decade.
And the City of Minneapolis has been run by Democrats (as well as their congressional districts) for decades. Democrats have been in power in this state in pretty much every level since 2011 when milquetoast Republican Tim Pawlenty left office. It's all happened on their watch.
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Duke Nukem
Hail to the king baby
Also... it's so powerfully moving...
So many words and pictures and stuff...
Powerful....
More powerful....
Even more powerful...
So powerful...
Super powerful...
Uhhhhh Powerfully powerful...
Not even trying with the logo but still powerful...
Damn practically the same words, this reminds me of the NPC meme.
Airedale260
Well-known member
Not just Minneapolis. Chicago, Los Angeles, Philadelphia, Detroit, Baltimore, Washington...it's a common pattern because Democrats positioned themselves as the only thing standing between minorities and a return to Jim Crow, and even when the policies enacted fail (if they even get passed), nothing changes because it's too big a leap for a lot of people.
The irony is that elsewhere, people are saying Biden needs to get in, "because we can hope things will change, even though the policies that have failed have been under other Democrats."
The thing is, it really isn't a priority issue for most people. There needs to be a huge push in being mindful of how one presents oneself (I've dealt with a ton of cops over the years and I know there are some guys out there who should really drop the attitude when they're on duty but don't), but then the same distrust of cops means younger ones, who generally put more effort into how they are perceived (not that seasoned ones don't), see that they get disrespected and brushed off when they just want to help and stop caring because it doesn't matter.
It's a shame, and I wish I had answers; instead all I have are more doubts that this issue can ever be resolved to everyone's (or at least nearly everyone's) satisfaction.
CarlManvers2019
Writers Blocked Douchebag
Maybe instead of entrusting it all to the government that ends up messing things up with its constant desire to “help”
People take responsibility for their actions and/or have a “You leave me alone, I leave you alone”
attitude
Recognize when it’s their fault or not go on accusing people of being bigots and going “We live in a society”
Even when they’re poor and in increasingly dire straits, it doesn’t make it kick in to be a survivalist and analyze what’s gone wrong and what’s the best course of action aside from voting some guy in with laws based around more intervention
You need people to set themselves aside or outside of their “communities” and to stop obsessing over public opinion or the opinions of cliques and to figure out right and wrong via experience and logic
Bad idea. That leaves the opportunity for them to get pardoned out later and go on to teach others their ideology later down the track. Happened with FALN.
Tzeentchean Perspective
Well-known member
Madre de dios!
Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
When even gangs have had enough.
Airedale260
Well-known member
Well, to be fair that wouldn’t happen in ADX Florence since every cell there is solitary, but OTOH, ADX Florence also isn’t someplace you dump just anyone. It’s reserved for the worst of the worst, basically. Now, if they are found to be that bad, then sure. But we’re talking El Chapo or Ramzi Yousef or Robert Hanssen levels of bad.