United States George Floyd Protests, Reactions and Riots

Terthna

Terthna

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Captain X said:
And it still comes back to that cop doing what he did.
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And yet what he did is ultimately irrelevant, compared to who he did it to; because most people who have the power only care about the color of George Floyd's skin, and how they can use it to their advantage.
 
Megadeath

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Jormungandr said:
Dude, the guy was OD'img. Yes, the cop shouldn't have done what he did, but that scumbag, who was not a hero or a martyr, was a dead man walking already.

The county coroner wrote that he had at least 11ng/ml of fentanyl in his blood: The lethal dose is 10--20/ng/ml without other substances being present, which there were in his blood-stream in abundance.

For a hardened career criminal, scumbag, and drug-addict, could he have survived if it were just the fentanyl? Yes, I wouldn't be surprised if he were able to have survived -- but that's still a high and near-lethal dose. Drug-tolerance can only go so far with these types of narcotics.

The presence of other drugs meant that he had no chance: The guy would have offed himself if he took a shit on the crapper instead of trying to add another tally to his criminal record.
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Definitely didn't describe him as a hero or martyr, nor think of him that way. It's also absolutely true that he was a criminal, though hardly the menacing threat to society type. Given the huge quantity of opioids in him, I think it's probably unfair to ascribe criminal intent to his use of a forged note at the time, unless you're aware of something I'm not? Anyone that fucked is doing well if they know the denomination of note they're using, never mind it's provenance.

But, he's not the one who was on trial. Since he's dead and all. Which the courts and experts determined was directly caused by Chauvin's actions. Floyd's background is irrelevant to those actions, and his own didn't merit them. Like, for sure cops showing up and taking him downtown would have been justified. If he'd died from drugs in transit or holding, he'd be another dead junkie in a country that produces plenty every day. Unfortunately, we'll never know if that's how it would have gone, because Chauvin idiotically decided to use wildly excessive force to "subdue" someone who could probably have been taken down by a girl scout given the type and amount of drugs in him.

Terthna said:
And yet what he did is ultimately irrelevant, compared to who he did it to; because most people who have the power only care about the color of George Floyd's skin, and how they can use it to their advantage.
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So... You don't care about the facts of the matter, or the legal aspect, because of the political narrative you believe about the racial element? Completely divorced from the race of the victim (Yes, you can be a criminal and a victim simultaneously.) and the social reaction, what do you think of the facts of the situation and the actions taken?
 
LordsFire

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Megadeath said:
So... You don't care about the facts of the matter, or the legal aspect, because of the political narrative you believe about the racial element? Completely divorced from the race of the victim (Yes, you can be a criminal and a victim simultaneously.) and the social reaction, what do you think of the facts of the situation and the actions taken?
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You could possibly convict Chauvin for negligent manslaughter. I forget the exact term in Minnesota law, but he was up on 3 charges, and their version of negligent manslaughter was the least serious of them. Given he was doing what his training told him to do, I don't think he should even have been convicted of that, but I can at least see why they would.

The fact that he was convicted of all 3 charges, when we know there was witness tampering/intimidation, and that one of the members of the jury was a BLM partisan, Democrat politicians were encouraging violence, and the press was threatening to reveal the identities of the jurors, that tells you all you need to know about the real reason he was convicted.
 
BlackDragon98

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LordsFire said:
You could possibly convict Chauvin for negligent manslaughter. I forget the exact term in Minnesota law, but he was up on 3 charges, and their version of negligent manslaughter was the least serious of them. Given he was doing what his training told him to do, I don't think he should even have been convicted of that, but I can at least see why they would.

The fact that he was convicted of all 3 charges, when we know there was witness tampering/intimidation, and that one of the members of the jury was a BLM partisan, Democrat politicians were encouraging violence, and the press was threatening to reveal the identities of the jurors, that tells you all you need to know about the real reason he was convicted.
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A kangaroo court, in a nutshell.
 
Megadeath

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LordsFire said:
You could possibly convict Chauvin for negligent manslaughter. I forget the exact term in Minnesota law, but he was up on 3 charges, and their version of negligent manslaughter was the least serious of them. Given he was doing what his training told him to do, I don't think he should even have been convicted of that, but I can at least see why they would.

The fact that he was convicted of all 3 charges, when we know there was witness tampering/intimidation, and that one of the members of the jury was a BLM partisan, Democrat politicians were encouraging violence, and the press was threatening to reveal the identities of the jurors, that tells you all you need to know about the real reason he was convicted.
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None of that (legally) ought to (directly) block a conviction. The defence is entitled to move for a mistrial, or as they actually did, appeal for such. Without that though the case proceeds and is adjudicated by the jurors present, on the assumption that what they're told is true.

Now, I don't think the defence is wrong to move for a mistrial. To me, the juror lying on their questionnaire would be enough for that. On the other hand, the jury vote was unanimous. Every person who was asked to judge the facts presented agreed that they showed Chauvin did commit the crimes he was accused of. Did they feel pressure? I'm sure the answer is yes. If you think the only pressure they felt was to convict though, I think you're mistaken. Further, if 12 randomly selected and (however imperfectly) vetted jurors agreed unanimously on all counts, I would suggest that the position that he's not even guilty of the least charge is somewhat of a niche view in society. In short, both the court and the general population would seem to disagree with you.
 
LordsFire

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Megadeath said:
None of that (legally) ought to (directly) block a conviction. The defence is entitled to move for a mistrial, or as they actually did, appeal for such. Without that though the case proceeds and is adjudicated by the jurors present, on the assumption that what they're told is true.

Now, I don't think the defence is wrong to move for a mistrial. To me, the juror lying on their questionnaire would be enough for that. On the other hand, the jury vote was unanimous. Every person who was asked to judge the facts presented agreed that they showed Chauvin did commit the crimes he was accused of. Did they feel pressure? I'm sure the answer is yes. If you think the only pressure they felt was to convict though, I think you're mistaken. Further, if 12 randomly selected and (however imperfectly) vetted jurors agreed unanimously on all counts, I would suggest that the position that he's not even guilty of the least charge is somewhat of a niche view in society. In short, both the court and the general population would seem to disagree with you.
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Did you actually watch any of the trial?

Because I did. Not all of it (it was days long), but the witnesses for the prosecution generally ended up making Chauvin look innocent, rather than guilty, much less the witnesses for the defense.
 
Knowledgeispower

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Jormungandr said:
...The same jurors that later admitted to either being intimidated (threatened personally or their families threatened, doxxed, et cetera) or were as biased as a hardcore racist or homophobe would be if the defendant were Black and/or gay?

It was a complete circus. It was pretty much a Cardassian Trial.
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At least the Cardassians usually only put people who are actually guilty on trial.
 
Duke Nukem

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"Thunderstorms are racist"
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Jormungandr

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Duke Nukem said:
"Thunderstorms are racist"
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If I were religious, I'd say that'd be a sign of a god of some sort saying "lol no fuck u racists making an icon of this scum".
 
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