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Husky_Khan

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Officer Kim Potter was booked into jail or whatever for Manslaughter charges.



I have to wonder if her shooting the criminal accidentally might actually make it worse for her. Other cops AFAIK have gotten off on shooting people who returned to their vehicles before after all. But those shootings were like... Intentional. This one is admittedly accidental and so fits snugly into Manslaughter.

I wonder if it would shame them at all to know that they looked like weebs wielding yaoi paddles.

Yeah... "Looks Like" :sneaky:
 

Airedale260

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Officer Kim Potter was booked into jail or whatever for Manslaughter charges.



I have to wonder if her shooting the criminal accidentally might actually make it worse for her. Other cops AFAIK have gotten off on shooting people who returned to their vehicles before after all. But those shootings were like... Intentional. This one is admittedly accidental and so fits snugly into Manslaughter.


Potter already resigned so she isn't going back. And unlike ones where it was intentional but considered justified, this clearly isn't. She panicked, somehow confused what she had drawn, and fired instantly. *Any* cop is going to be in deep shit because not only was this clearly unjustified but also massive idiocy that led to a man dying.

It's not like she's looking at life, though, and my guess is she likely pleads in exchange for a lighter sentence. The woke mob might object, but OTOH, it's also extremely clear she fucked up and she instantly realized it, and resigned because she knew trying to fight it was pointless.
 

Sailor.X

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The State of Minnesota needs to review it's Annual Training (Which all Officers should be going through anyhow) for Police and Constables. The fact that an officers who has been on the force for years pulls a Glock instead of a Taser by accident is pretty damning of how bad the Annual training has gotten.
 

Rocinante

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The State of Minnesota needs to review it's Annual Training (Which all Officers should be going through anyhow) for Police and Constables. The fact that an officers who has been on the force for years pulls a Glock instead of a Taser by accident is pretty damning of how bad the Annual training has gotten.
As far as I know, she WAS an instructor herself.

This level of incompetence is hard to fathom. Coming from someone who is supposed to be training the other officers? Holy shit.
 

DarthOne

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Yeah defunding the police is stupid. But increasing training and weeding out the bad apples is what needs to happen.
That's the point. I have little doubt that the smarter Marxists out there want the police defunded because

1) Defunded police aren't as prepared to stop the Glorious Revolution

2) Defunded police have less training, which means they're more likely to cause incidents, which are more likely to cause riots and be used as propaganda to rile people up and to defund the police, which means the police are even less prepared, which means they're more likely to cause incidents....
 

Vaermina

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The State of Minnesota needs to review it's Annual Training (Which all Officers should be going through anyhow) for Police and Constables. The fact that an officers who has been on the force for years pulls a Glock instead of a Taser by accident is pretty damning of how bad the Annual training has gotten.
Panic of the moment.

The person was a known violent offender who was known to have a gun, him diving into his car like he did no doubt sent her into a full on panic that he might be going for said gun to shoot her with. So she momentarily forgets the gun shaped object on her left is her pistol instead of her taser.
 

Airedale260

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The State of Minnesota needs to review it's Annual Training (Which all Officers should be going through anyhow) for Police and Constables. The fact that an officers who has been on the force for years pulls a Glock instead of a Taser by accident is pretty damning of how bad the Annual training has gotten.

Yeah, the fact that the issues we’ve seen lately have been Minneapolis or Minneapolis area makes me think they have serious problems. Looking at the process, Brooklyn Center cops get only six weeks of academy training followed by in the field supervision (which is probably what they mean when they say Potter was an instructor). That’s...pretty lacking. Now, Minneapolis itself goes 14-16 weeks so I think the issue is less training and more a problematic culture (sounds rather like Baltimore in that regard). There was a task force convened to review stuff and they published a document in late February, but it seems like action needs to be taken.

And then she had to shoot.
Like you can draw your gun and just point it at the suspect.
That's usually enough to have most people comply.

Police are trained (at least are supposed to be) that you should never draw down unless there is an imminent and lethal threat. You are correct that pointing a gun at someone usually gets their attention, but Wright didn’t necessarily see it, since he was busy trying to flee (yes, he shouldn’t have resisted arrest but two wrongs don’t make a right), but the gun shouldn’t have been out at all.

As a side note in case this comes up, I know that Jacob Blake in Wisconsin had some similarities to this and was considered justified, but the key difference was that the cops in Wisconsin did operate by the book and tried to subdue Blake without immediately escalating to lethal force: unarmed and with a taser (twice, as a matter of fact, and he shrugged that off), and he was in the process of not only still resisting while within reach of a knife (considered a lethal threat), but he was attempting to drive off with three children, making it an attempted kidnapping (i.e. he was in the process of committing a violent felony and it could well have led to a hostage situation).

Panic of the moment.

The person was a known violent offender who was known to have a gun, him diving into his car like he did no doubt sent her into a full on panic that he might be going for said gun to shoot her with. So she momentarily forgets the gun shaped object on her left is her pistol instead of her taser.

Two problems:

1) “Panic of the moment” is not a defense. Police are trained (or at least are supposed to be trained) to be able to think clearly in high-stress situations. And tasers (at least all of the ones I’ve seen issued to cops) have significant differences from a pistol -yes, they’re vaguely gun-shaped, but also bulkier and bright yellow or something similar so they’re visually distinct from a sidearm.

Also, 2) Wright wasn’t a “known violent offender”, his warrants were for carrying a gun without a permit and failure to appear in court. First one is a gross misdemeanor, second one is also a misdemeanor. He didn’t try to actually kill or seriously injure anyone.

Second-degree manslaughter is absolutely the right charge in this case: She clearly didn’t mean to kill Wright, but she made a mistake and he died. Wasn’t racism, just an incredibly stupid mistake, which is why that charge exists.
 

LordsFire

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Also, 2) Wright wasn’t a “known violent offender”, his warrants were for carrying a gun without a permit and failure to appear in court. First one is a gross misdemeanor, second one is also a misdemeanor. He didn’t try to actually kill or seriously injure anyone.

Second-degree manslaughter is absolutely the right charge in this case: She clearly didn’t mean to kill Wright, but she made a mistake and he died. Wasn’t racism, just an incredibly stupid mistake, which is why that charge exists.

1. I don't have a link handy right now, but it turns out that no, there were some substantially more serious crimes on Wright's part. He was on probation for aggravated assault, and part of that probation was not being allowed to have a gun (which he posted doing on social media) and he also had failed to keep in contact with his probation officer.

2. I looked up the Minnesota legal definition of manslaughter.
609.205 MANSLAUGHTER IN THE SECOND DEGREE:
"A person who causes the death of another by any of the following means is guilty of manslaughter in the second degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than ten years or to payment of a fine of not more than $20,000, or both:

(1) by the person's culpable negligence whereby the person creates an unreasonable risk, and consciously takes chances of causing death or great bodily harm to another; or

(2) by shooting another with a firearm or other dangerous weapon as a result of negligently believing the other to be a deer or other animal; or

(3) by setting a spring gun, pit fall, deadfall, snare, or other like dangerous weapon or device; or

(4) by negligently or intentionally permitting any animal, known by the person to have vicious propensities or to have caused great or substantial bodily harm in the past, to run uncontrolled off the owner's premises, or negligently failing to keep it properly confined; or

(5) by committing or attempting to commit a violation of section 609.378 (neglect or endangerment of a child), and murder in the first, second, or third degree is not committed thereby.

If proven by a preponderance of the evidence, it shall be an affirmative defense to criminal liability under clause (4) that the victim provoked the animal to cause the victim's death.

"
So no, what happened doesn't actually fit the legal definition of second degree manslaughter. Some level of 'Negligent Manslaughter' is certainly the appropriate charge, but the DA or whoever is picking these charges in MN is clearly screwing things up.

I understand that the woman resigned however, and suspect that she'll make a plea deal.
 

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Vaermina

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Two problems:

1) “Panic of the moment” is not a defense. Police are trained (or at least are supposed to be trained) to be able to think clearly in high-stress situations. And tasers (at least all of the ones I’ve seen issued to cops) have significant differences from a pistol -yes, they’re vaguely gun-shaped, but also bulkier and bright yellow or something similar so they’re visually distinct from a sidearm.
The officer was not working on visual confirmation, she was working on the feel of the weapon.

You might want to watch the body cam video, because it's very very clear she thought the weapon was a taser given she holds the weapon forward trigger held down for about five seconds after firing the shot.

Also, 2) Wright wasn’t a “known violent offender”, his warrants were for carrying a gun without a permit and failure to appear in court. First one is a gross misdemeanor, second one is also a misdemeanor. He didn’t try to actually kill or seriously injure anyone.

Second-degree manslaughter is absolutely the right charge in this case: She clearly didn’t mean to kill Wright, but she made a mistake and he died. Wasn’t racism, just an incredibly stupid mistake, which is why that charge exists.
Incorrect, in 2019 he committed first-degree aggravated robbery via forcing his way into a woman's home and robbing her at gunpoint.

Case number 27-CR-19-29850.
 

Airedale260

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No, the case was still pending and he was out on bail.

In other words, they didn't actually know that. The warrant (which is what they said in the recording, "Hey, you have a warrant") was NOT for the robbery charges.

The bottom line is, Potter fucked up and she knew it instantly. Trying to justify it by saying he was a violent offender doesn't actually work, because from the recording there's no indication any of the cops knew that. Wright may not have been a good person, but that doesn't justify shooting him.
 

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