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Say, was his gun licensed? Or black market?
Colorado laws regarding guns don't work that way. You can have a license to (concealed) carry but they can't make you license your gun itself. That's an infringement on the 2nd amendment and attempts at doing that tend to make gun owners go nuclear. This is because, historically, every time a state creates a gun registry within a short period of time the registry suddenly becomes a confiscation list.

In New York they went one better, when they created a registry Gawker used the Freedom of Information Act to get the registry and then doxxed every gun owner. So generally trying to make people register their guns causes an immediate hatestorm.
 

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Suspect had no license either go figure. How many sharks are circling for a lawsuit?


I'm just going to repeat what I said on Discord two days ago when I first heard this weird shooting story.



What is he guarding that he requires a gun? I mean... if it's presence he shouldn't be wandering around the sidewalk in a polo shirt... the security guard I mean? It's just... I've worked security for most of my life.... if your carrying a gun or your employer requires it, the question should be asked... "Who exactly do you want me to shoot?"
Like do you want your guards to get into a shootout in a bank or a convenience store or a carnival in case of a robbery? If you do... then give them a gun Cuz an open carrying security guard is going to get into shootouts if visible deterrence doesn't work.

Also a protestor isn't a robber. And if your a security guard protecting property then your job as a security guard isn't to protect other people.
Like... for example... If I was guarding a convenience store and I saw some dude suddenly beating the shit out of a woman across the street I could go over there and blow the guy away... but I'm doing it as a private citizen. Not as an agent of the store chain. It's something that's kinda drilled in most security guards. If you go beyond your job description, your doing stuff on your own... not for the company.

*find out he's hired by 9News allegedly*

Press sometimes hires plainclothes security which is kinda normalish. Which means shooting people is all the more problematic.

If your in a confrontation with some random dude whose actually an armed security guard, it's kinda fucked. Like he's basically a bodyguard. A diet bodyguard. And spray isn't a threat to yourself or your principal that your protecting. And a good bodyguard wouldn't put their group in a situation like this. He's just standing there, the shooter... I don't understand how he got there at all? I don't see a news crew around.



So basically, he's either the worst normal security guard or worse bodyguard ever. The fact he wasn't either, wasn't licensed as either... and potentially not even employed as such at the time. But that's almostto be expected. Him operating in some sort of function as a security contractor with all of these red flags should put whoever hired him (security company or the news crew if he's "independent") under the lens for bearing some sort of responsibility for this fatal shooting to of occurred.

The picture that was posted on the previous page of the other man just solidifies the point. Why in the hell is a concealed and carry bodyguard reaching for another mans spray? Why did he draw his gun out when the other man was backing up? The only reason he had to shoot was if he was "afraid the man would spray him and take his gun." But he drew the gun after trying to disarm a man who was only armed with a SPRAY. He forced a lethal confrontation. I'm no legal expert, but random citizens can't walk up to people and attempt to disarm them. That could constitute some degree of battery and if your committing a crime, especially a felony, all of the other rules that your legal team can conjure up (like Stand Your Ground or Self Defense for example) will be a bit more chancy to apply I'm guessing.

If your going to hire a plainclothes bodyguard, your Cousin Frank isn't a good choice.

If your going to be security and armed... you should be uniformed as a visible DETERRENCE.

If your going plainclothes and secretly armed and then provoking, escalating or interjecting yourself into dangerous situations, your basically a thug, not a security guard or bodyguard.
 

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I'm just going to repeat what I said on Discord two days ago when I first heard this weird shooting story.



What is he guarding that he requires a gun? I mean... if it's presence he shouldn't be wandering around the sidewalk in a polo shirt... the security guard I mean? It's just... I've worked security for most of my life.... if your carrying a gun or your employer requires it, the question should be asked... "Who exactly do you want me to shoot?"
Like do you want your guards to get into a shootout in a bank or a convenience store or a carnival in case of a robbery? If you do... then give them a gun Cuz an open carrying security guard is going to get into shootouts if visible deterrence doesn't work.

Also a protestor isn't a robber. And if your a security guard protecting property then your job as a security guard isn't to protect other people.
Like... for example... If I was guarding a convenience store and I saw some dude suddenly beating the shit out of a woman across the street I could go over there and blow the guy away... but I'm doing it as a private citizen. Not as an agent of the store chain. It's something that's kinda drilled in most security guards. If you go beyond your job description, your doing stuff on your own... not for the company.

*find out he's hired by 9News allegedly*

Press sometimes hires plainclothes security which is kinda normalish. Which means shooting people is all the more problematic.

If your in a confrontation with some random dude whose actually an armed security guard, it's kinda fucked. Like he's basically a bodyguard. A diet bodyguard. And spray isn't a threat to yourself or your principal that your protecting. And a good bodyguard wouldn't put their group in a situation like this. He's just standing there, the shooter... I don't understand how he got there at all? I don't see a news crew around.



So basically, he's either the worst normal security guard or worse bodyguard ever. The fact he wasn't either, wasn't licensed as either... and potentially not even employed as such at the time. But that's almostto be expected. Him operating in some sort of function as a security contractor with all of these red flags should put whoever hired him (security company or the news crew if he's "independent") under the lens for bearing some sort of responsibility for this fatal shooting to of occurred.

The picture that was posted on the previous page of the other man just solidifies the point. Why in the hell is a concealed and carry bodyguard reaching for another mans spray? Why did he draw his gun out when the other man was backing up? The only reason he had to shoot was if he was "afraid the man would spray him and take his gun." But he drew the gun after trying to disarm a man who was only armed with a SPRAY. He forced a lethal confrontation. I'm no legal expert, but random citizens can't walk up to people and attempt to disarm them. That could constitute some degree of battery and if your committing a crime, especially a felony, all of the other rules that your legal team can conjure up (like Stand Your Ground or Self Defense for example) will be a bit more chancy to apply I'm guessing.

If your going to hire a plainclothes bodyguard, your Cousin Frank isn't a good choice.

If your going to be security and armed... you should be uniformed as a visible DETERRENCE.

If your going plainclothes and secretly armed and then provoking, escalating or interjecting yourself into dangerous situations, your basically a thug, not a security guard or bodyguard.
An armed security guard is better armed with those sticks. They hurt but don't kill but these days just a bit of a beating is seen as uncouth.
 

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