United States George Floyd Protests, Reactions and Riots

[Terthna]

No, it wasn't. If you think people were less into romance in history than they are now, I've got some high-quality Industrial Diamonds from Venus to sell you.

Now, I'd agree that today's ideation of 'love is the only reason you should marry' in pop culture would be pretty alien historically, especially for feudal nobility or the like.

That's a far cry from historical marriage 'strictly utilitarian' for everyone though.

There's romantic poetry from BC still kicking around, man.

I never said they didn't have any idea what love was; there just wasn't this connection between love and marriage back then that you see today. Love was seen as a separate thing, with the institution of marriage often being portrayed as an obstacle to love in literature. In the old stories, love either lead ultimately to death, or only triumphed because both love and marriage obligations were able to be fulfilled simultaneously.

 

[Deleted member 88]

Courtly romances had adultery as a major theme.

The medievals were well aware that arranged marriages were often loveless shackles.

That’s why the whole Romance genre(not the modern one) existed.

 

[LifeisTiresome]

Its funny you guys are discussing romance when leftism said free love and destroying the family and marriage would make love free. We are nowhere close to love. We have tons of men just staying inside and simping, women getting more and more degrees and choosing to jump from Chad/Tyrone to Chad/Tyrone or just staying and dying single.

The most common ASMR/roleplay scenario on youtube is the Yandere. What does that tell you?

 

[Arch Dornan]

BLM activist 'loses testicle when scrotum hit by rubber bullet' at protest

A BLACK Lives Matter activist who was reportedly shot in the crotch with rubber bullets during a Los Angeles protest says the shooting caused him to lose a testicle. Bradley Steyn – a South A…

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@Zachowon that rubber bullet took out a testicle.

 

[Deleted member 88]

I mean if anything the left has been attacking romance for a long time. By that I mean you know man and woman fall in love. That sort of romance.

It was telling for example Rey in SW didn’t have a romance, and many modern Disney heroines don’t.

The concept is aggressively attacked for xyz-ism.

 

[ShieldWife]

Ouch! Well, he was a white BLM rioter, he probably wasn’t using it anyway.

I mean if anything the left has been attacking romance for a long time. By that I mean you know man and woman fall in love. That sort of romance.

It was telling for example Rey in SW didn’t have a romance, and many modern Disney heroines don’t.

The concept is aggressively attacked for xyz-ism.

“You don’t need a man.” Is a sentiment pushed on females of all ages these days. Women are the most awesome, men are incompetent weaklings who only hinder women.

 

[LifeisTiresome]

Ouch! Well, he was a white BLM rioter, he probably wasn’t using it anyway.



“You don’t need a man.” Is a sentiment pushed on females of all ages these days. Women are the most awesome, men are incompetent weaklings who only hinder women.

Indeed. Even the Japanese do it with how men in anime are majority non-assertive. Its all the women doing things and pushing the relationship.

Are you familiar with Yandere's, ShieldWife?

 

[CarlManvers2019]

“You don’t need a man.” Is a sentiment pushed on females of all ages these days. Women are the most awesome, men are incompetent weaklings who only hinder women.

And to be better than/equal to men, you gotta be like men even down to looking almost exactly like them

BLM activist 'loses testicle when scrotum hit by rubber bullet' at protest

A BLACK Lives Matter activist who was reportedly shot in the crotch with rubber bullets during a Los Angeles protest says the shooting caused him to lose a testicle. Bradley Steyn – a South A…

www.the-sun.com

@Zachowon that rubber bullet took out a testicle.

TBF, I doubt he likely ever had sex

 

[ShieldWife]

Indeed. Even the Japanese do it with how men in anime are majority non-assertive. Its all the women doing things and pushing the relationship.

Are you familiar with Yandere's, ShieldWife?

Only in the vaguest sense. It’s a girlfriend who beats up her boyfriend basically? I’ve only seen a relatively small amount of anime, especially as geeks go, so I’m not too familiar with a lot of the tropes in it. I’ve never seen Yandere anime.

It sounds pretty twisted, maybe not unlike how in the West we think it’s funny for a woman to hurt a man but horrific and evil for a man to hurt a woman. Like that, but more fetishy.

 

[LifeisTiresome]

Only in the vaguest sense. It’s a girlfriend who beats up her boyfriend basically? I’ve only seen a relatively small amount of anime, especially as geeks go, so I’m not too familiar with a lot of the tropes in it. I’ve never seen Yandere anime.

It sounds pretty twisted, maybe not unlike how in the West we think it’s funny for a woman to hurt a man but horrific and evil for a man to hurt a woman. Like that, but more fetishy.

Its far more complicated then that. But basically, its a girl (male yandere exist but the standard is a female) who is obsessive about a boy and will do anything to get him, keep him, protect him aka being willing to kill others for you. They are utterly devoted, loving and will kill you if you cheat on them or think you are cheating on them. They will never cheat on you are are all for relationship of man and woman together with no outside parties interfering.

or to quote tvtropes:

Interestingly, these types of characters can still be perceived as attractive if they can build up enough tragic audience sympathy, despite the argument that many originally become popular by being subversions of wishy-washy female characters until the fandom ended up loving them in the typical way (what sweethearts!). Sometimes this can play out in story, if the Love Interest ever starts to rethink his relationship with this girl, she might threaten to harm him or herself if he ever leaves her. This threat might be explicit, but often is more subtle.

The Yandere can be attractive because of the simple fact that they are insanely infatuated with the one they love. There is no issue of infidelity on the Yandere's part. They would never cheat, emotionally or physically, on the one they love. For one who has been cheated on, this can be a very endearing trait.

Also worth noting is that the Yandere is typically a (physically) beautiful or attractive person and they are typically of above average intelligence or even genius level intellect. Otherwise they would simply be an Abhorrent Admirer. In this case, who wouldn't want a supermodel whose only thought is of you? Or an intellectually interesting person whom you can FINALLY have an intelligent and stimulating discussion with? A person whom (individually or a combination of the two) can provide a financially stable life?


It depends on the Yandere in question. But you can think of this as a basic premise.

If you want to know more, check this out:

Yandere - TV Tropes

"Yandere" is derived from the Japanese words yanderu, meaning insane or sick, and deredere, meaning affectionate or loving. Simply put, a yandere is someone who is lovesick, someone who has been driven to insanity by extreme obsession or love, …

tvtropes.org

Another trait is that despite their strong nature, they are not feminist. They can be very domestic infact.

Now, what does this say about men now? Infact, I have seen comments where they want the story to have the listener be willing and not oppose the Yandere who has kidnapped them.

 

[LifeisTiresome]

@ShieldWife

An example of a Yandere. Usually, the Yandere really wants to be your GF or wife. This particular example doesn't want a bf but the rest is very Yandere.

 

[Duke Nukem]

@ShieldWife

An example of a Yandere. Usually, the Yandere really wants to be your GF or wife. This particular example doesn't want a bf but the rest is very Yandere.

> tfw no yandere gf

 

[CarlManvers2019]

@ShieldWife

An example of a Yandere. Usually, the Yandere really wants to be your GF or wife. This particular example doesn't want a bf but the rest is very Yandere.

Maybe we should have another thread for this stuff before the mods come in

 

[Arch Dornan]

Maybe we should have another thread for this stuff before the mods come in

Done it. I have a link to the yandere girl who stabbed her crush and sat with him when the cops came.

https://www.the-sietch.com/index.php?threads/yanderes-and-why-people-are-enamored-with-the-idea.3544/

 

[Arch Dornan]

Bail Fund Promoted By Kamala Harris Helped Man Accused Of Sexually Penetrating A Child

A bail fund supported by Democratic vice presidential nominee Kamala Harris helped a man accused of sexually assaulting an eight-year-old girl get out of jail.

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The Minnesota Freedom Fund was the bail fund for those rioters yes?

 

[Deleted member 88]

I mean to be fair, I think that’s a fantasy a lot of guys have. A woman that will aggressively pursue them, initiate conversations, and “break their shells” as it were.

You know like in elementary school were the girls chase you to give you a kiss on the cheek.

The idea of the woman who breaks through a guy’s stoicism, or introversion, or sadness or whatever-has an appeal.

I think because more men wish that women behaved that way than they’d admit.

A lot of men would be absolutely thrilled to be chased, it’s just that it’s not something you see in the RW.

 

[LifeisTiresome]

I mean to be fair, I think that’s a fantasy a lot of guys have. A woman that will aggressively pursue them, initiate conversations, and “break their shells” as it were.

You know like in elementary school were the girls chase you to give you a kiss on the cheek.

The idea of the woman who breaks through a guy’s stoicism, or introversion, or sadness or whatever-has an appeal.

I think because more men wish that women behaved that way than they’d admit.

A lot of men would be absolutely thrilled to be chased, it’s just that it’s not something you see in the RW.

You are almost there Lord Invictus.

Basically, the Yandere does what men of the past did. They act, they take the initiative. They sweep men of their feet. Sure, you can say that Yandere are abusive and psychopathic and you are right. But again, we are not talking about Yandere here specifically but what this want for this type of material means in regards to men.

Chad/Tyrone can take the initiative and approach women and get laid or get relationships. The rest of maledom gets scraps or nothing and thus buries itself in simping or youtube girlfriend wife ASMRs/Roleplays where the partner is loving and supportive and will stick by you or is Yandere. Or they do both.

 

[Deleted member 88]

You are almost there Lord Invictus.

Basically, the Yandere does what men of the past did. They act, they take the initiative. They sweep men of their feet. Sure, you can say that Yandere are abusive and psychopathic and you are right. But again, we are not talking about Yandere here specifically but what this want for this type of material means in regards to men.

Chad/Tyrone can take the initiative and approach women and get laid or get relationships. The rest of maledom gets scraps or nothing and thus buries itself in simping or youtube girlfriend wife ASMRs/Roleplays where the partner is loving and supportive and will stick by you or is Yandere. Or they do both.

I’m not referring to the concept of Yandere specifically though? I’m referring more to a broader concept.

Men have historically been expected to pursue women. Which is fine, that works.

My point is a great many men would be absolutely delighted if women pursued them.

This doesn’t happen in reality. Whether your good with women or not. So it’s a male fantasy.

 

[Zachowon]

BLM activist 'loses testicle when scrotum hit by rubber bullet' at protest

A BLACK Lives Matter activist who was reportedly shot in the crotch with rubber bullets during a Los Angeles protest says the shooting caused him to lose a testicle. Bradley Steyn – a South A…

www.the-sun.com

@Zachowon that rubber bullet took out a testicle.

Ouch

 

[LordsFire]

I never said they didn't have any idea what love was; there just wasn't this connection between love and marriage back then that you see today. Love was seen as a separate thing, with the institution of marriage often being portrayed as an obstacle to love in literature. In the old stories, love either lead ultimately to death, or only triumphed because both love and marriage obligations were able to be fulfilled simultaneously.

The fact that feudal nobility, who habitually practiced marriage for political reasons, and were also the patrons of the arts through the middle ages, saw marriage as often an obstacle to love, does not remotely prove the premise that this was how society in general treated marriage.

You're going to have to do a lot better than that to try to prove your point.

I’m not referring to the concept of Yandere specifically though? I’m referring more to a broader concept.

Men have historically been expected to pursue women. Which is fine, that works.

My point is a great many men would be absolutely delighted if women pursued them.

This doesn’t happen in reality. Whether your good with women or not. So it’s a male fantasy.

I think there's two elements to what you're talking about here.

First, is that a lot of men wonder 'would she still love me if I stopped being the primary initiator in the relationship?'

Second, is that in the modern era that increasingly gives women more social and legal power over men, it's not safe for men to try to pursue women a lot of the time, and the woman pursuing the man gets around this.


Beyond all of that though, as others have mentioned there's a certain raw appeal for either sex, to someone who is 'into you' to a downright obsessive level. That's a huge part of what Twilight centered around, for example.

Interestingly enough, a male love interest who is violently possessive of a woman, if she returns his interest, is much more likely to be seen as a good thing than a bad thing. Even in Weeb/Otaku communities, guys who consider violent Yanderes 'best girl' are subject to derision for that. Twilight, on the other hand, and the even more messed up 50 Shades of Gray fanfiction spinoff, were insanely highly-selling books, 50 Shades selling over a hundred million copies.

It's an interesting perspective difference on what's viewed as socially acceptable.