United States George Floyd Protests, Reactions and Riots

[Deleted member 88]

Given how well the movement is polling, supposedly it is quite clear the bulk of the public is in the dark about BLM.

This doesn’t bode well, the populace is ignorant and compliant at the hour in which ought to be informed and resistant.

 

[PsihoKekec]

And armed forces leadership is basically shilling for them, in oppositon to the president.

 

[Deleted member 88]

I mean to be fair if the troops had been deployed and the insurrection act declared, there very well could have been troops that defected to the rioters(black soldiers especially) which would have potentially created a truly insurrectionary situation.

The generals seemed unwilling to provoke some sort of crystallized confrontation, in a 1789 or 1917 way.

Whether that was out of institutional support for the riots or a fear of something worse-I can’t say, perhaps both.

Personally if I were trump I would have sacked everyone above Colonel in the Pentagon after that.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

I mean to be fair if the troops had been deployed and the insurrection act declared, there very well could have been troops that defected to the rioters(black soldiers especially) which would have potentially created a truly insurrectionary situation.

The generals seemed unwilling to provoke some sort of crystallized confrontation, in a 1789 or 1917 way.

There are probably limits though, Left or Right, I think there would be soldiers who would run to stop them from burning a man alive

Thing is, I don’t think they’re always there for the worst of it

Kneeling won’t be in their minds when they see all the constant damage and places being set on fire

 

[LordsFire]

Personally if I were trump I would have sacked everyone above Colonel in the Pentagon after that.

You really do like to stridently assert cathartic over-reactions, don't you?

If you want people to stop dismissing you as a black-piller, try giving more reasonable responses. Or work better on communicating comedic intent if that's what this is.

I can tell you I'd definitely want to conduct some personal reviews of a lot of top military staff after something like this, but summary dismissal of all flag officers in the Pentagon is incredibly excessive.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

I can tell you I'd definitely want to conduct some personal reviews of a lot of top military staff after something like this, but summary dismissal of all flag officers in the Pentagon is incredibly excessive.

I wonder how that would go, I mean that earlier attempt weeks ago to BLM-ize part of you Americans’ military was stopped and the guy who started it went under investigation, but if the person felt confident enough to do it

Then there maybe politicking going on right now

 

[Zachowon]

Except the issue here is that I don't think they have the luxury to pick and choose their battles anymore. The enemy is at the gate, literally, and if they refuse to engage then they've surrendered by default. By refusing to admit that BLM is a political movement, they're also refusing to address internal issues that already exist, and leaving the door open for them to get far, far worse.

And if I were to go to the top brass that made this and go "Hey the BLM organization was founded by a terrorist" they would change thier mind.
Bring it up, send letters. Do what a democratic government should.

BLM is a movement as well. The DOD claiming it is political would be a backlash they would not recover from and probably lose a lot of support from the inside.

You really do like to stridently assert cathartic over-reactions, don't you?

If you want people to stop dismissing you as a black-piller, try giving more reasonable responses. Or work better on communicating comedic intent if that's what this is.

I can tell you I'd definitely want to conduct some personal reviews of a lot of top military staff after something like this, but summary dismissal of all flag officers in the Pentagon is incredibly excessive.

Inform them, let them know what it all means, what made them decide it.
Getting rid of people that high up, especially if some of them were not responsible is the worst thing to do.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

And if I were to go to the top brass that made this and go "Hey the BLM organization was founded by a terrorist" they would change thier mind.
Bring it up, send letters. Do what a democratic government should.

BLM is a movement as well. The DOD claiming it is political would be a backlash they would not recover from and probably lose a lot of support from the inside.

Inform them, let them know what it all means, what made them decide it.
Getting rid of people that high up, especially if some of them were not responsible is the worst thing to do.

If informed and the truth is acknowledged, or at least inside, how much can social pressure be used to make them submit though?

 

[Zachowon]

If informed and the truth is acknowledged, or at least inside, how much can social pressure be used to make them submit though?

Depends on the person making decisions. Family can influence someone. Thier family might have made them thick other wise, they may mean the movement not the group so on so forth

 

[PsihoKekec]

BLM is a movement as well. The DOD claiming it is political would be a backlash they would not recover from and probably lose a lot of support from the inside.

Because the army most cherishes those members who support burning down American cities and overthrowing the established constitutional order, so soldiers supporting law and order better keep their mouths shut as not to offend the brass.

 

[Zachowon]

Because the army most cherishes those members who support burning down American cities and overthrowing the established constitutional order, so soldiers supporting law and order better keep their mouths shut as not to offend the brass.

Do you not understand that the everyday joe does not know there is a difference between the BLM group and BLM movement? Do you also not understand that most Major media is not showing what is going on?
Huh weird, it Is almost not all Miliary is full of those that think.
Oh should I also point out DOD is not specifically the Army? The Army made no comment, and most likely does not plan to.

 

[PsihoKekec]

I regulary talk to people who are in Army (also Navy and Marines) for a long time and their consensus is that their brass has embraced the progressivism quite some time ago and sees fuhrtering societal change as one of the core missions of the armed forces, as knowtowing to their screed helps secure the promotions and subsequent well paid advisor positions after the retirement.
Funnily enough you sound just like some of them, early into their careers. I reckon you will sound like they do now, once you have few more years in the service.

 

[Zachowon]

I regulary talk to people who are in Army (also Navy and Marines) for a long time and their consensus is that their brass has embraced the progressivism quite some time ago and sees fuhrtering societal change as one of the core missions of the armed forces, as knowtowing to their screed helps secure the promotions and subsequent well paid advisor positions after the retirement.
Funnily enough you sound just like some of them, early into their careers. I reckon you will sound like they do now, once you have few more years in the service.

I literally see a whole bunch if what goes on through my job.

The whole protests that are going on (not the riots, no us Soldier agrees with the riots, not even the 2 star I work under) has caused people to argue and sometimes get out if hand personal bias, leading people to be considered racist and get looked at for EO. I have argued against and had to shut my mouth before I claim BLM is a stupid cause for the fact that it is asking for them to be given special treatment everywhere, and the fact that White people have also suffered.
BLM is a hot topic with the lower enlisted in General because of how diverse it is.

 

[PsihoKekec]

and had to shut my mouth before I claim BLM is a stupid cause

I see you mastered the most important skill in the millitary. If you are also good at saying things superiors want to hear, then you will have a good shot at promotion.

 

[Zachowon]

I see you mastered the most important skill in the millitary. If you are also good at saying things superiors want to hear, then you will have a good shot at promotion.

It was when our SGM said we can talk about it to let it out. I still held back because no one in my office understands law enforcement side of things, and kept going "But this" and "but that" for instance the Brooks case. They were going "Shot in the back, wasnt right" even when I explained rhat in GA a taser is a firearm, and they did not know what the man could have done. They argued "He was drunk! He would have ran forward then fell in his face!"
One has to learn that when you are outnumbered and the like, shut ones with before you say something you regret. I have wanted tk go off about what is going on, but have not because inknow how some of the people in my office would react.

 

[Terthna]

It was when our SGM said we can talk about it to let it out. I still held back because no one in my office understands law enforcement side of things, and kept going "But this" and "but that" for instance the Brooks case. They were going "Shot in the back, wasnt right" even when I explained rhat in GA a taser is a firearm, and they did not know what the man could have done. They argued "He was drunk! He would have ran forward then fell in his face!"
One has to learn that when you are outnumbered and the like, shut ones with before you say something you regret. I have wanted tk go off about what is going on, but have not because inknow how some of the people in my office would react.

Which succinctly explains how things in this country have deteriorated to this point; too many people biting their tongues when they know it will cost them something to speak out.

 

[Typhonis]

Any word on what is happening in Portland and Philly?

 

[DarthOne]

Given how well the movement is polling, supposedly it is quite clear the bulk of the public is in the dark about BLM.

This doesn’t bode well, the populace is ignorant and compliant at the hour in which ought to be informed and resistant.

You assume those polls are in anyway truthful or accurate.

 

[LifeisTiresome]

I regulary talk to people who are in Army (also Navy and Marines) for a long time and their consensus is that their brass has embraced the progressivism quite some time ago and sees fuhrtering societal change as one of the core missions of the armed forces, as knowtowing to their screed helps secure the promotions and subsequent well paid advisor positions after the retirement.
Funnily enough you sound just like some of them, early into their careers. I reckon you will sound like they do now, once you have few more years in the service.

based. I consider the talk of army will take care of them or national guard will take care of them or army is on our side to be pure cope.

 

[Cherico]

You assume those polls are in anyway truthful or accurate.

I think you would be surprised just how many black people have grown to hate BLM