Future War with (Red) China Hypotheticals/Theorycrafting

[Sailor.X]

Just your weekly reminder that the CCP has never beaten a peer power or near peer power in any war. And have never even attempted the most difficult type of military invasion. An Amphibious landing. Also your weekly reminder that Taiwan has more missiles than the CCP has ships and that India kicked China's ass in combat earlier this year.

 

[Cherico]

Just your weekly reminder that the CCP has never beaten a peer power or near peer power in any war. And have never even attempted the most difficult type of military invasion. An Amphibious landing. Also your weekly reminder that Taiwan has more missiles than the CCP has ships and that India kicked China's ass in combat earlier this year.

thank god our enemies are just as retarded as we are.

 

[DarthOne]

Just your weekly reminder that the CCP has never beaten a peer power or near peer power in any war. And have never even attempted the most difficult type of military invasion. An Amphibious landing. Also your weekly reminder that Taiwan has more missiles than the CCP has ships and that India kicked China's ass in combat earlier this year.

We'll see. It would not be the first time in history that a nation stood down rather than risk further destruction when they could have fought on.

 

[Zachowon]

We'll see. It would not be the first time in history that a nation stood down rather than risk further destruction when they could have fought on.

They have no combat expereince.
A Infantry soldier in the US who deployed once has more experience then a vast majority of the leaders in China

 

[History Learner]

Just your weekly reminder that the CCP has never beaten a peer power or near peer power in any war. And have never even attempted the most difficult type of military invasion. An Amphibious landing. Also your weekly reminder that Taiwan has more missiles than the CCP has ships and that India kicked China's ass in combat earlier this year.

What is Hainan Island '49 and the Korean War?

 

[Zachowon]

What is Hainan Island '49 and the Korean War?

They didn't win the Korean War, and were getting thier ass kicked even with thier insurmountable numbers.

 

[History Learner]

They didn't win the Korean War, and were getting thier ass kicked even with thier insurmountable numbers.

How far is the Yalu River to the current border?

 

[Sailor.X]

What is Hainan Island '49 and the Korean War?

You do realize the CCP Army suffered. 920,000 Casualties compared to the US Military's 128,000. That is not a ringing endorsement of CCP combat prowess. That is what a JV team looks like when they go up against anyone competent. The only thing they had was numbers and that didn't save their asses from a smaller force.

 

[History Learner]

You do realize the CCP Army suffered. 920,000 Casualties compared to the US Military's 128,000. That is not a ringing endorsement of CCP combat prowess. That is what a JV team looks like when they go up against anyone competent. The only thing they had was numbers and that didn't save their asses from a smaller force.

This is also the same CCP that had just come out a two decade long civil war and a seven year brutal occupation of it's core territories by Imperial Japan. Despite that, as I said: how far is the Yalu River from the current border? If you're going to get into the body counts game, how exactly is that working out for South Vietnam or the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan lol?

 

[Sailor.X]

This is also the same CCP that had just come out a two decade long civil war and a seven year brutal occupation of it's core territories by Imperial Japan. Despite that, as I said: how far is the Yalu River from the current border? If you're going to get into the body counts game, how exactly is that working out for South Vietnam or the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan lol?

Dude Mau's forces literally sat back and let the Republic of China do 98% of the fighting in World War 2. Damn near anyone who has studied World War 2 knows this. Stop trying to shill for the CCP.

 

[History Learner]

Dude Mau's forces literally sat back and let the Republic of China do 98% of the fighting in World War 2. Damn near anyone who has studied World War 2 knows this. Stop trying to shill for the CCP.

Doesn't matter whether they did or not, their population and industrial base-which is the key to a modern war-was devastated while the U.S. had an intact one that was something like 30 times the size of the Chinese one. Despite that, the Chinese threw back the the U.S. from the Yalu and then forced a stalemate that has resulted in Beijing retaining the buffer state of North Korea to this day. You can talk about body counts all you want, the end results and the categorical failure of the U.S. to enforce its military aims circa the time of Chinese intervention speaks for itself.

This isn't CCP shilling so much as it is telling you to lay off the baseless Jingoist nonsense befitting Bush era Neocons.

 

[Sailor.X]

Doesn't matter whether they did or not, their population and industrial base-which is the key to a modern war-was devastated while the U.S. had an intact one that was something like 30 times the size of the Chinese one. Despite that, the Chinese threw back the the U.S. from the Yalu and then forced a stalemate that has resulted in Beijing retaining the buffer state of North Korea to this day. You can talk about body counts all you want, the end results and the categorical failure of the U.S. to enforce its military aims circa the time of Chinese intervention speaks for itself.

This isn't CCP shilling so much as it is telling you to lay off the baseless Jingoist nonsense befitting Bush era Neocons.

Dude you don't know war all you do is read books and think you know war. The CCP literally just sent troops into Korea with next to no logistical support. Aka the biggest rookie mistake of them all. And now they are saying they are gonna attempt the most difficult kind of invasion and Amphibious Assault. Against a force that has a ton of Antiship missiles. A ton of antiair missiles. Sea Mines in the only 3 landing zones you can land troops and defensive positions all over the island. Let me tell you something. I served on Landing Craft back in the day. It was a fact told to us that in a massive amphibious operation against a force with near peer defense. We could expect to lose half our landing force. You don't know what the hell you are talking about saying China will just take the island. And again stop shilling for the CCP.

 

[History Learner]

Dude you don't know war all you do is read books and think you know war. The CCP literally just sent troops into Korea with next to no logistical support. Aka the biggest rookie mistake of them all.

So the fact the U.S. Armed Forces was defeated by rookies is supposed to translate into increase confidence in our capabilities today somehow? That makes exactly zero sense, nevermind the "Navy Seal Copypasta" you're attempting here.

And now they are saying they are gonna attempt the most difficult kind of invasion and Amphibious Assault. Against a force that has a ton of Antiship missiles. A ton of antiair missiles. Sea Mines in the only 3 landing zones you can land troops and defensive positions all over the island. Let me tell you something. I served on Landing Craft back in the day. It was a fact told to us that in a massive amphibious operation against a force with near peer defense. We could expect to lose half our landing force. You don't know what the hell you are talking about saying China will just take the island. And again stop shilling for the CCP.

Funnily enough, I've never said the Chinese would take the island, that's you projecting your own insecurities and attempting to suggest decades old information is relevant in the modern context when even the U.S. Military is continually finding in its own analysis and war games your claims here have no basis in reality. The PLA/PLAN/PLAAF of today is very, very much different from that of the Korean War-era you seem to believe they have remained in.

There's also the cognitive dissonance you're engaging here of dismissing the Chinese as a military threat but then somehow working yourself into a terror of them worth of our focus; it cannot, logically, be both. You'll find I agree with you the Chinese are a long term threat to American power, that's not in doubt, your dismissing them as such is, however, the basis of our disagreement particularly because this sort of thinking is exactly what led us into the current situation in Afghanistan.

"They're just dumb savages in the caves, bro."

Well those dumb savages just kicked our ass and unlike the Chinese, they didn't have aircraft carriers or nuclear weapons to do so.

 

[Zachowon]

So the fact the U.S. Armed Forces was defeated by rookies is supposed to translate into increase confidence in our capabilities today somehow? That makes exactly zero sense, nevermind the "Navy Seal Copypasta" you're attempting here.



Funnily enough, I've never said the Chinese would take the island, that's you projecting your own insecurities and attempting to suggest decades old information is relevant in the modern context when even the U.S. Military is continually finding in its own analysis and war games your claims here have no basis in reality. The PLA/PLAN/PLAAF of today is very, very much different from that of the Korean War-era you seem to believe they have remained in.

There's also the cognitive dissonance you're engaging here of dismissing the Chinese as a military threat but then somehow working yourself into a terror of them worth of our focus; it cannot, logically, be both. You'll find I agree with you the Chinese are a long term threat to American power, that's not in doubt, your dismissing them as such is, however, the basis of our disagreement particularly because this sort of thinking is exactly what led us into the current situation in Afghanistan.

"They're just dumb savages in the caves, bro."

Well those dumb savages just kicked our ass and unlike the Chinese, they didn't have aircraft carriers or nuclear weapons to do so.

Should i point out we literally kicked tbe Taliban so badly they had to go back to our frenemy where we wouldn't follow them....

He also knows more about the Navy them you.

Fun fact about Korea by the way. Whole outnumbered and encircled, the US and Korean force (I think it was more then just them but largest two) managed to not only hold off the Chinese, but get back to friendly lines, without getting wiped out

 

[Sailor.X]

So the fact the U.S. Armed Forces was defeated by rookies is supposed to translate into increase confidence in our capabilities today somehow? That makes exactly zero sense, nevermind the "Navy Seal Copypasta" you're attempting here.



Funnily enough, I've never said the Chinese would take the island, that's you projecting your own insecurities and attempting to suggest decades old information is relevant in the modern context when even the U.S. Military is continually finding in its own analysis and war games your claims here have no basis in reality. The PLA/PLAN/PLAAF of today is very, very much different from that of the Korean War-era you seem to believe they have remained in.

There's also the cognitive dissonance you're engaging here of dismissing the Chinese as a military threat but then somehow working yourself into a terror of them worth of our focus; it cannot, logically, be both. You'll find I agree with you the Chinese are a long term threat to American power, that's not in doubt, your dismissing them as such is, however, the basis of our disagreement particularly because this sort of thinking is exactly what led us into the current situation in Afghanistan.

"They're just dumb savages in the caves, bro."

Well those dumb savages just kicked our ass and unlike the Chinese, they didn't have aircraft carriers or nuclear weapons to do so.

Sure whatever you say member of the Wumao Army whatever you say.

 

[History Learner]

Should i point out we literally kicked tbe Taliban so badly they had to go back to our frenemy where we wouldn't follow them....

Remind me whose flag is over Kabul right now lol?

He also knows more about the Navy them you.

That remains to be seen.

Fun fact about Korea by the way. Whole outnumbered and encircled, the US and Korean force (I think it was more then just them but largest two) managed to not only hold off the Chinese, but get back to friendly lines, without getting wiped out

The U.S. Military got out of Vietnam without being wiped out; remind me who won that war?

Sure whatever you say member of the Wumao Army whatever you say.

Sour grapes is a hell of a thing.

 

[Zachowon]

Remind me whose flag is over Kabul right now lol?



That remains to be seen.



The U.S. Military got out of Vietnam without being wiped out; remind me who won that war?



Sour grapes is a hell of a thing.

Do I need to point out that the only reason Kabul is like that is because we left.
It would never be captured if we were there I force.
Also, we were holding A-stan with not a lot of forces.

He served many years in the Navy.
That automatically makes him more informed then you are in said topic.

The US won the physical war. Lost the PR war

 

[History Learner]

Do I need to point out that the only reason Kabul is like that is because we left.

October, 2018: The Afghanistan War Is Over. We Lost.

It would further come as a hell of a shock to everyone the ANSDF lost because we left given we are currently desperately attempting to get everyone out.

It would never be captured if we were there I force.
Also, we were holding A-stan with not a lot of forces.

We were there in force and they not only endured but have been steadily picking up districts/territory for years. By 2018, even after a surge in U.S. troops under Trump to secure Lashkar Gah in 2017/2018, the Taliban were in control or contesting 20-40% of the country.

He served many years in the Navy.
That automatically makes him more informed then you are in said topic.

Just like your IC community being in intelligence meant they were correct about Kabul lasting 30 days when it fell in three lol? We can expand this further; he claims I'm a paid member of Chinese intelligence. If I am, doesn't that by default mean-using your logic-I know more about the Chinese military than either of you?

The US won the physical war. Lost the PR war

The fact we won the "physical war" would come as a hell of a shock to the people of Ho Chi Minh City, formerly known as Saigon lol.

 

[JagerIV]

You do realize the CCP Army suffered. 920,000 Casualties compared to the US Military's 128,000. That is not a ringing endorsement of CCP combat prowess. That is what a JV team looks like when they go up against anyone competent. The only thing they had was numbers and that didn't save their asses from a smaller force.

Eh, if your using the 128k number for US Korean losses, which seems to be dead and wounded, then it probably makes more sense to compare whole force dead and wounded, in which Case Allied casualties were around 776,000 casualties vs 1.5 million on the China/North Korean side. So, about 2-1. Which is good, just probably not as good as you would expect given the imense material disparity.

Looking at the less squishy numbers of just dead, your looking at 170k vs 600k, which is a more favorable 3.5-1. Still, the scale of the material capacity difference and, well, the Chinese achieved their war aims, I guess we technically did at the start, but to go through all of that for a pre war status quo resolution is, underwelming.

 

[Vaermina]

I mean... They can certainly try...

But if they do it will be the end of China...

See, you know the big important thing war games don't measure? Economic effects. Which is important because if China tries to invade Taiwan their economy is effectively gone. Which means the country collapses.