Fox Anchor Shepard Smith Resigns

Battlegrinder said:
That tends to happen when the press is, you know, constantly lying (for a recent example, the wholly fabricated claims about potential violence at the Joker movie). The press isn't sacrosanct, or rather the idea of a free press is, but the companies and people who currently make up the press must be held accountable. If they don't like being called liars, then they should stop saying shit that's not true.
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Trump is more of a liar than them, none of you have integrity
 
HistoryMinor said:
Trump is more of a liar than them, none of you have integrity
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That Trump and the truth have, at best, a passing acquaintance is immaterial to the fact that the vast majority of the press have repeatedly, deliberately, and knowingly lied about him and have acted far more as anti-Trump propaganda outfits than anything that could be called an impartial reporting service.
 
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Emperor Tippy said:
That Trump and the truth have, at best, a passing acquaintance is immaterial to the fact that the vast majority of the press have repeatedly, deliberately, and knowingly lied about how and have acted far more as anti-Trump propaganda outfits than anything that could be called an impartial reporting service.
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Bullshit
 
HistoryMinor said:
Trump is more of a liar than them, none of you have integrity
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As tippy said, that's not really relevant, the fact that someone else also lies doesn't excuse the first liar (particularly when the media's reaction to being called liars has been so hilariously defensive, like that banana ad CNN made, or that time they blackmailed a dude that made a meme making fun of them, or when they awarded themselves person of the year because trump made fun off them).

As for us not having integrity, I'm assuming that's intended to mean something along the lines of an accusation that we're hypocrites because we're focusing on the media and not him. In which case, while it's true we have the media a harder time, they deserve a harder time. Politicians always lie, that's a known fact and everyone expects it. The media is supposed to be a check on them, not a willing ally of one party or another who behaviors barely differently. Pointing out how far they've fallen and how useless they are isn't hypocritical.
 
Was he one of the people on that 5 person plannel they have? Thats the only real fox ive seen since that was the slot when I came home, and habent watched even that for awhile.

I'm only really aware of tucker carlson, since hes memorable and mentioned by youtube people, and has gone on interviews of them.

Thus, I dont really. Know anything about this guy one way or another.
 
JagerIV said:
Was he one of the people on that 5 person plannel they have? Thats the only real fox ive seen since that was the slot when I came home,
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No, at least not as a panelist, though I assume he was a guest or interviewer/ee a few times.
 
Battlegrinder said:
As tippy said, that's not really relevant, the fact that someone else also lies doesn't excuse the first liar (particularly when the media's reaction to being called liars has been so hilariously defensive, like that banana ad CNN made, or that time they blackmailed a dude that made a meme making fun of them, or when they awarded themselves person of the year because trump made fun off them).

As for us not having integrity, I'm assuming that's intended to mean something along the lines of an accusation that we're hypocrites because we're focusing on the media and not him. In which case, while it's true we have the media a harder time, they deserve a harder time. Politicians always lie, that's a known fact and everyone expects it. The media is supposed to be a check on them, not a willing ally of one party or another who behaviors barely differently. Pointing out how far they've fallen and how useless they are isn't hypocritical.
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There’s nothing wrong with calling out the press for misreporting, as I did on SpaceBattles over the Covington Catholic fiasco for example, but I respectfully find your sentiment here extraordinarily fucked up.

Trump is our nation’s leader and the most powerful man on the planet. The notion that he, or any other politician for that matter, somehow gets a pass or graded on a curve because “all politicians lie” is disingenuous and unhelpful.

All people lie, if we’re being precise, so by your rationale there’s really no point in holding anyone accountable for their dishonesty, including the press.

It’s also, quite frankly, a notion I expect you and most others to jettison the moment it’s not your preferred flavor of pathologically-lying-ass sitting behind the Resolute Desk.
 
ProphetOfTruth said:
There’s nothing wrong with calling out the press for misreporting, as I did on SpaceBattles over the Covington Catholic fiasco for example, but I respectfully find your sentiment here extraordinarily fucked up.

Trump is our nation’s leader and the most powerful man on the planet. The notion that he, or any other politician for that matter, somehow gets a pass or graded on a curve because “all politicians lie” is disingenuous and unhelpful.
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I'm not seeing how I gave Trump a pass for lying. I said he's like all politicians in that he consistently lies, but I don't really view there as being a meaningful difference, someone is either habitual honest or habitual dishonest, once that determination is made I don't see much point in trying to grade them on some kind of honesty scale. What's the point in that?

ProphetOfTruth said:
All people lie, if we’re being precise, so by your rationale there’s really no point in holding anyone accountable for their dishonesty, including the press.
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Yes and no. Everyone lies occasionally, but there's a difference between "has lied" and "consistently lies on a regular basis".

ProphetOfTruth said:
It’s also, quite frankly, a notion I expect you and most others to jettison the moment it’s not your preferred flavor of pathologically-lying-ass sitting behind the Resolute Desk.
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It's not like my posting history starts now, you're free to look back and see how often I ranted about lying about, say, that whole "if you like your plan, you can keep it" BS. The closest I can recall is bringing up various lies the democrats have said about guns, but mostly in context if showing why they can't be trusted on guns, not that I'm offended that they did so.
 
Battlegrinder said:
I'm not seeing how I gave Trump a pass for lying. I said he's like all politicians in that he consistently lies, but I don't really view there as being a meaningful difference, someone is either habitual honest or habitual dishonest, once that determination is made I don't see much point in trying to grade them on some kind of honesty scale. What's the point in that?
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When your sentiment is effectively "Trump is a politician and all politicians lie, so we spend less time criticizing him than we do the press because the press shouldn't lie," you're grading him on a curve at best and giving him a pass outright at worst.

Yes and no. Everyone lies occasionally, but there's a difference between "has lied" and "consistently lies on a regular basis".
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Everybody lies. Some lie more than others. And even among the prolific liars, some lie more still.

Your scale doesn't seem to take any of that or the above into account and instead sets an arbitrarily higher standard for the media than our elected representatives and public servants, including the most powerful of them all (and therefore the one that deserves the most scrutiny): the POTUS.

It's not like my posting history starts now, you're free to look back and see how often I ranted about lying about, say, that whole "if you like your plan, you can keep it" BS. The closest I can recall is bringing up various lies the democrats have said about guns, but mostly in context if showing why they can't be trusted on guns, not that I'm offended that they did so.
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I didn't cite personal offense and I didn't claim you did either. Even if you're not personally offended when a politician lies, you concede in the above section that liars shouldn't be trusted (tautological, but profound). If that's the standard, then Trump deserves less trust than any news outlet.

tl;dr: the press should be called out when they lie and so too should politicians, including the POTUS, and the idea that one gets a pass doesn't hold up under scrutiny.
 
The problem is that in theory the media is the one calling out the POTUS...

But if the media is lying then who's calling out the media?

So sure, Trump's lies are a problem... would be easier to call him out for them if we could trust what the media says about him except... well...

So, you need to solve the problem of the media's lies before you can even BEGIN to make proper headway on the POTUS's lies.
 
ProphetOfTruth said:
When your sentiment is effectively "Trump is a politician and all politicians lie, so we spend less time criticizing him than we do the press because the press shouldn't lie," you're grading him on a curve at best and giving him a pass outright at worst.
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I'd view it more as Trump being seen as more of the same, while the media is actively degrading and getting worse.

ProphetOfTruth said:
Everybody lies. Some lie more than others. And even among the prolific liars, some lie more still.

Your scale doesn't seem to take any of that or the above into account and instead sets an arbitrarily higher standard for the media than our elected representatives and public servants, including the most powerful of them all (and therefore the one that deserves the most scrutiny): the POTUS.
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It's not that it doesn't take that into account, it's just that past a certain point it doesn't matter how much you do or don't lie. And since the media is supposed to be the ones scrutinizing the president and elected representatives, shouldn't they have to meet a higher standard? If the media wants to style itself as the guardian of democracy, as they clearly do given that whole man of the year things....well, you hold watchdogs to a higher standard than thieves, don't you?

ProphetOfTruth said:
Even if you're not personally offended when a politician lies, you concede in the above section that liars shouldn't be trusted (tautological, but profound). If that's the standard, then Trump deserves less trust than any news outlet.
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Your scale just seems to have more graduants than mine. Once someone is untrustworthy, there's no point trying to guess how untrustworthy they are relative to other, also untrustworthy people.


Edit: Regarding the media thing, on reflection I think there's also a need to hold people to the standards they proclaim. For all of the egotistical things Trump has claimed about himself, he's never gone around bragging about honest and truthful he always is. The media has, as I noted before with stuff like those CNN banana ads, done just that, and publicly and loudly declared that they are honest and truthful and respectable. So it seems fair to hold them to the standard that they claim is so vital to them.
 
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