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Husky_Khan

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...Wait, what?

I read a good book on it a while ago.


It wasn't quite the history of the Taiping Rebellion I thought it'd be but it providing a great narrative explanation of Jesus' Chinese Brother Hong Xiuquan, the culture and society he grew up in (shockingly life for most Chinese was quite miserable in this time period :p ) and how he developed his beliefs and it spreading across that part of China. What's interesting is how the evolution of their form of Christianity was so radically different from other sects that when his Heavenly Kingdom actually established contacts with Western Christians, he was wholly confident in being the Heavenly King but sent a letter to some random Western merchants asking very basic questions on Christian theology... and of course they responded... and of course... it's discussed in the book.

There's a lot of that going on. It's so much more then just a "Christian Rebellion." He's not just a fraud. It's not just a revolutionary movement either. What would become the Taiping Heavenly Kingdom was both a Millenerian movement, like those you have seen in all religions, but perhaps most notably Christianity, even in the mid-19th century. But it was also a revolutionary movement, one against a corrupt and decadent and foreign influenced Qing Dynasty. It wanted to bring about land reform and social changes like separation of the genders but also attracted pirates and bandits and criminal filth.

And ironically the Qing Dynasty would bring in foreign mercenaries, Christians, to fight the Heavenly King. British and Filipinos... the Qing Dynasty would also hire pirate lords to attempt to contain them.

What's interesting about the story is a few months later I read about the Communist Long March. Not in ideology, but the miserly existence the ChiComs were in, the corrupt state, and how the Communists were motivated by an almost religious revolutionary fervor to engage in their own epic campaign across China... and all of the death and misery that followed in its wake.

And this is beyond the book, but the British General, Charles Gordon who would later get the moniker "Chinese" Gordon would later face another religious revivalist and revolutionary almost two decades later. A self styled Islamic 'Mahdi' in Sudan who threatened to overrun all of North Africa. It gives a lot of perspective.

The Taiping Rebellion resulting in tens of millions of death... but it's not an exceptional achievement even in Chinese history. And the Mahdist War in Sudan... it only killed a few million people at most... but that was half of the population of Sudan at the time.🤷‍♀️
 

The Whispering Monk

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And this is beyond the book, but the British General, Charles Gordon who would later get the moniker "Chinese" Gordon would later face another religious revivalist and revolutionary almost two decades later. A self styled Islamic 'Mahdi' in Sudan who threatened to overrun all of North Africa. It gives a lot of perspective.
And was made into a pretty interesting Charlton Heston movie...
 

mrttao

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The issue is that it only helps the really bad states that excessively tax the high income earners. Without it, we can bankrupt NY, IL, and CA and other liberal states. If you want to avoid state taxes: move. I want people to experience the consequences of their own actions.

It also serves as a check that inhibits excessive state spending. It keeps Texas Texas and stops it from having the money to become CA.
... I wasn't trying to avoid state taxes.
I was saying that I want much lower fed taxes and thinking most taxes should go to the local state instead of the feds.
Also, states can adjust their tax rates to deal with different laws.
 
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mrttao

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I mean yes the elites are at fault but the people especially in a democracy are the ones who put them there.
> Election fraud
> Barring political opponents from running
> Media blitzes
> Requiring massive quantities of money for advertising to even get on the ballot
> Super delegates
> Lying candidates with no recourse
> Uniparty where every single candidate on offer from all parties are in it together

Yea sure, it is totes the commoner's fault.
 

King Arts

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> Election fraud
> Barring political opponents from running
> Media blitzes
> Requiring massive quantities of money for advertising to even get on the ballot
> Super delegates
> Lying candidates with no recourse
> Uniparty where every single candidate on offer from all parties are in it together

Yea sure, it is totes the commoner's fault.
It’s not totes the commoners fault. But all of the people do have a share. I mean it’s not like one day everything was fine and then boom everything was shit. No corruption is gradual infection starts small and people when they saw it did not stop it.
 

ThatZenoGuy

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I actually disagree with this gentleman. I mean yes the elites are at fault but the people especially in a democracy are the ones who put them there. We the people also need to know that part of the current fuck up is on us.
Isn't that just victim blaming? The parasites people call 'elites' have worked tirelessly for at least a couple hundred years to make sure they're the ONLY choice in elections. Heck even then they'll cheat and scheme and lie. 2020 ring any bells?

Outside of just going over to their houses and burning them down (with them still in there) Frankenstein-style. What would you propose? It's easy to blame the commoners for a scenario where the only viable choices are all exceedingly distasteful.
 

ATP

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Self proclaimed brother of Jesus Christ causes one of the bloodiest wars in history, resulting in the eventual destruction of one of the most powerful Chinese empires ever.
Dude ended up dying from food poisoning from eating shit shitty weeds he found on the floor.

Yes,entire story look like bad fanfiction,BUT - it still happened.

Speaking about fanfictions - i remember at least two alternate stories where taiping not win,but not lost either,both states modernized,and,as a result,China never fall to first Japan,and later commies.

Forget titles,as usual.
 

ThatZenoGuy

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I know it's a little offtopic, but Chinese wars are just a whole different ballgame.
>Consumes their own people like livestock
>DECISIVE STRATEGIC VICTORY
 

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She is right on many points, but some others are debatle. Other opinions she has on other subjects such as 15 minutes city suffer "author provincialism" because she is French, not British or US citizen, not to mention that 15 minutes cities are already being implemented in Europe (see Bologna in Italia with the fucking 30 km/h limit, but that's a city where you can't bbq in your own backyard).
 
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