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mrttao

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Then you are saying human nature has changed, because fertile women being a prized commodity is foundational to human nature.
Used up old whores with mental diseases, physical diseases, and crushing debt were never a prized commodity.

Every society in human history has prized young virgin girls who are submissive and obedient.
The "true believers" of revenging themselves on women
It is not "revenge" to refuse to take in and provide for a 40 year old "born again virgin" who abandoned her feminazi ways just because her biological clock is ticking.

It is not "revenge" to refuse to accept an older woman with a bigger bodycount than hamas. both figurative (sex partners) and literal (abortions).

If a passport bro goes to another country to find an untainted woman, he is not "taking revenge" on western women. He is just pursuing his own happiness and benefits.

Look, again, I am not saying that human nature changed.
I am saying that your notion that if society shifts that all the current feminazies will easily find men who will take them in is wrong.
Because the number of men who would marry such a girl just because she took out her facial piercing and put on a decent dress is far too small to accommodate the sheer number of such women

In fact we have seen that even without a major society shift, there is a vast number of 35-40 year old women who go into panic mode and try to "find a good man" and literally can't find any man who would take them.

You say that women are shielded from the consequences of their actions... to a large degree it is true, but only up to a certain point.
 

mrttao

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You think 100% of them are voluntarily celibate?
Actually I gave you the numbers for the self proclaimed volcels.
The total celibacy figure is much higher than what I wrote.
Granted, some of the self proclaimed volcels are lying. but we are still looking at staggering figures
 

Shipmaster Sane

You have been weighed
Actually I gave you the numbers for the self proclaimed volcels.
The total celibacy figure is much higher than what I wrote.
Granted, some of the self proclaimed volcels are lying. but we are still looking at staggering figures
Oh they said it? Oh well that changes everything pack it in boys they said they would do something.

Are you in the year of our Lord 2023 unironically trying to tell me that you believe that even a majority of a crowd's completely untested claims online are trustworthy?

"Self proclaimed" from an angry stranger should mean dick to you.


In other words, one in a thousand of those "volcels" would actually turn down
Tribe-issue pussy, and that's a fact so obvious it staggers belief.
 

LordsFire

Internet Wizard
We are talking 30% (american) to 60% (japanese) of men having gone their own way.
This number is utterly ridiculous.

I doubt that 3% of men are MGTOW, much less 30%. If you can provide a decent base of evidence, I'm opening to reevaluating my perception on this, but it's going to have to be more than one or two articles from the manosphere.

That said, you have a partial good point about the 35-40 year old women who have the alarm on their biological clock ring, and find they can't get the kind of man they want.

However, as obnoxious as he may be, Shipmaster Sane also has a point about such things.

The problem those 35-40 year old women are having, is they aren't finding the kind of man that they want. Not that they can't find a man, period. They are still living in a culture and economy of incredible prosperity and surplus, and are mad that they can't find a '6-6-6' man, with the six-figure income, six-feet tall, and six inch dick. They still think they can get the 'complete package' after their most attractive and fertile years are behind them, and you are right in that if they stay like that, they're going to end up bitter old women with too many cats and too much wine.


Where Shipmaster Sane is right, is if society defaults back to a harsher, more violent place, or collapses altogether, and that woman becomes genuinely desperate? You bet that moderately-attractive 35-40 year old woman either throwing herself, or being thrown by a ranking male in this newer society, at a socially awkward 20-something guy who has no idea how to woo a woman in a romantic way, but is very damn good at his job, will almost certainly put on a nice dress, call him sir, and that lonely awkward young man will protect and take care of her in return.

It's not like he ever had any other chance at having a woman warm his bed, and again if she's actually desperate, if her sinecure in an HR department no longer exists, she'll learn to cook, clean, and satisfy an autistic 28-year old who can make cars or computers work.

Not all of the modern feminists. There are a very slim number who are 'true believers' who will actually keep shooting their mouths off until it leads to them getting killed. There are also an even slimmer number who actually have useful skills beyond 'socially manipulating men and other women to do what they want' who might become useful in other ways.


Most women (and frankly most men) when put under pressure will conform to social expectations, and when prosperity collapses under the weight of social degeneracy, a lot of people's behaviors will drastically change.

Most people are too self-serving to have honest historical introspection, but if France actually becomes Muslim-dominated, if any western nation sees an actual broad-spectrum equally-sized backlash against feminism, there will be a lot of old women lamenting how hard they fought to destroy the security and privilege that good Christian men once built for them, and long for its return. The good Christian men of their generation will tell them, 'we tried to warn you, but you refused to listen, and helped bring this tragedy on us all.'

What younger good Christian men remain will be carefully choosing their brides from among women of better character, and probably raising the generation that will have a chance at rebuilding a healthier society again. They (my own children hopefully among them) will treat their spouses with mutual respect, and have an excellent view of what happens when marriages and family collapse, and the government takes the place of the man of the house.


I look at the social dynamic in the church I attend. The senior pastor is a man, the children's ministry leader is a woman, the compassionate care team is lead by a woman, the hospitality team is lead by a man. Men are expected to treat women with respect, women are expected to treat men with respect. Most any man in the church, including the frail old men, would come out swinging and lay his life down to protect any of those women, and especially the children.

It's a mutually supporting community; during harvest season, there's a table by the door with free fresh produce, that people bring to pass off to literally anyone else who wants it. There's a stockpile of frozen 'just throw in the oven' meals in the church freezer for anyone who needs them. There's regular community service projects. The church is going to be letting the local high school's cheerleading team use its gym over the next few weeks, because they and a sports team both at the school are training up for tournaments.

All of these things are rejected by feminists, because the church would not support a 'sexually liberated woman' ideology, because we believe there are only two genders, because we believe in humility and submission to God, instead of the exaltation of man over all.

They decided to throw the baby out with the bathwater, and the more the Christians plead with them to not be self-destructive, the more contemptuous and hostile most feminists grow.

We didn't want a Mad Max future, an Imperial Rome future, for us or for them, but if they keep tearing apart the society that lavished them with privileges and security, eventually they'll get it.
 
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mrttao

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Where Shipmaster Sane is right, is if society defaults back to a harsher, more violent place, or collapses altogether, and that woman becomes genuinely desperate? You bet that moderately-attractive 35-40 year old woman either throwing herself, or being thrown by a ranking male in this newer society, at a socially awkward 20-something guy who has no idea how to woo a woman in a romantic way, but is very damn good at his job, will almost certainly put on a nice dress, call him sir, and that lonely awkward young man will protect and take care of her in return.

It's not like he ever had any other chance at having a woman warm his bed, and again if she's actually desperate, if her sinecure in an HR department no longer exists, she'll learn to cook, clean, and satisfy an autistic 28-year old who can make cars or computers work.

Not all of the modern feminists. There are a very slim number who are 'true believers' who will actually keep shooting their mouths off until it leads to them getting killed. There are also an even slimmer number who actually have useful skills beyond 'socially manipulating men and other women to do what they want' who might become useful in other ways.


Most women (and frankly most men) when put under pressure will conform to social expectations, and when prosperity collapses under the weight of social degeneracy, a lot of people's behaviors will drastically change.

Most people are too self-serving to have honest historical introspection, but if France actually becomes Muslim-dominated, if any western nation sees an actual broad-spectrum equally-sized backlash against feminism, there will be a lot of old women lamenting how hard they fought to destroy the security and privilege that good Christian men once built for them, and long for its return. The good Christian men of their generation will tell them, 'we tried to warn you, but you refused to listen, and helped bring this tragedy on us all.'

What younger good Christian men remain will be carefully choosing their brides from among women of better character, and probably raising the generation that will have a chance at rebuilding a healthier society again. They (my own children hopefully among them) will treat their spouses with mutual respect, and have an excellent view of what happens when marriages and family collapse, and the government takes the place of the man of the house.
You make some good arguments. but you gotta remember that most 35-40 year old "ready to settle down" women are NOT actually good looking anymore.
The mythical "milf" is extremely rare in real life, not a given.

Worse for them, we are talking about a hypothetical societal shift where we return to traditional values.
So this shy nerdy guy in his 20s with a good job now has his pick from 10 desperate women age 35-40 trying to snag him as a husband.
And because we posited a social shift back to traditional values, said guy in his twenties with a well paying job now also has women in their 20s as prospective partners too.

His church probably tried to set him up with a woman of the same age as himself.
Since in that societal shift, women in their 20s would be looking for a husband instead of parties, gender studies degree, and a wage slave job.

My point was not that it is impossible for any woman to ever find a man after she renounces her trashy modern feminazi ways.

My point was that there are too many such women, and too few guys looking to rescue damaged goods to satisfy all those women.
I would be surprised if even a mere 20% of them will manage to find a husband in a return to traditionalism.

The notion that all women are immune from their bad choices is an exaggeration. After a certain point, reality hits them hard. They get shielded to an extent. Especially if they managed to preserve their looks.

Speaking of preserved looks. One of the rising issues we have is drug abuse.
this is one bad choice that robs women of their looks. completely trashing any chance of them ever being "rescued".

 
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Zachowon

The Army Life for me! The POG life for me!
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You make some good arguments. but you gotta remember that most 35-40 year old "ready to settle down" women are NOT actually good looking anymore.
The mythical "milf" is extremely rare in real life, not a given.

Worse for them, we are talking about a hypothetical societal shift where we return to traditional values.
So this shy nerdy guy in his 20s with a good job now has his pick from 10 desperate women age 35-40 trying to snag him as a husband.
And because we posited a social shift back to traditional values, said guy in his twenties with a well paying job now also has women in their 20s as prospective partners too.

His church probably tried to set him up with a woman of the same age as himself.
Since in that societal shift, women in their 20s would be looking for a husband instead of parties, gender studies degree, and a wage slave job.

My point was not that it is impossible for any woman to ever find a man after she renounces her trashy modern feminazi ways.

My point was that there are too many such women, and too few guys looking to rescue damaged goods to satisfy all those women.
I would be surprised if even a mere 20% of them will manage to find a husband in a return to traditionalism.

The notion that all women are immune from their bad choices is an exaggeration. After a certain point, reality hits them hard. They get shielded to an extent. Especially if they managed to preserve their looks.

Speaking of preserved looks. One of the rising issues we have is drug abuse.
this is one bad choice that robs women of their looks. completely trashing any chance of them ever being "rescued".


As a guy who was in his early 20s when he met his wife.
I was seeing people from the ages of 18 to 35 on dating apps. A good amount of 30s on there.
Funnily enough, I still found more my age on the dating apps.
Of course I was horrible with pictures so it didn't help me out much. But I did get plenty of matches.
None looking for short term things, plenty if my age.
The thing is, a lot rely on the men being able to hold the conversation, and do not put in any effort.


Then I found my wife and, for as left as she is, like thw traditional values a man offers as well as understanding that even men need to cry. And boom, wifed her up
 

DarthOne

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As a guy who was in his early 20s when he met his wife.
I was seeing people from the ages of 18 to 35 on dating apps. A good amount of 30s on there.
Funnily enough, I still found more my age on the dating apps.
Of course I was horrible with pictures so it didn't help me out much. But I did get plenty of matches.
None looking for short term things, plenty if my age.
The thing is, a lot rely on the men being able to hold the conversation, and do not put in any effort.


Then I found my wife and, for as left as she is, like thw traditional values a man offers as well as understanding that even men need to cry. And boom, wifed her up

And how long ago was that?
 

Zachowon

The Army Life for me! The POG life for me!
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Huh. Either you got lucky or I just don’t know where to look.

…or I’m just not making enough money.
I got lucky I guess.
Because Tinder is what I used.

it doesnt work for everyone but, yoy get lucky sonetimes and if your religious, there are apps for yoy there as well
Zach is a member of the US Army. You think he has money?
Money...
What money?
 

Jormungandr

The Midgard Wyrm
Founder
I got lucky I guess.
Because Tinder is what I used.

it doesn't work for everyone but, yoy get lucky sometimes and if you're religious, there are apps for you there as well

Money...
What money?
I'm glad it worked out for you, but what you've got to understand is that you basically did ballet through the Korean DMZ, blindfolded, and on one toe, without being blown to pieces.

I wouldn't even say your relationship/marriage is an outlier: It's a fucking good miracle.

I'm glad for you, but always remain vigilant (and I say this to any bloke). :)
 

Zachowon

The Army Life for me! The POG life for me!
Founder
holy shit you won the lottery.
I have heard of the tinder hookup app
it is the most famous "1 night stand app" on the market.
There are a surprising amount of people who use Tinder BECAUSE of how well known it is co.pared to more serious ones like Bumble or Hinge etc
 

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