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[KilroywasNOTHere]

Well... yes and no.
There is no legitimate reason for anyone to ever work in prostitution.
It is not legitimate work. it is harmful for everyone.

I can understand wanting to control it to make it less awful, but we have seen examples of how spectacularly that fails. whether it is forcing people into it via govt, or simply completely legitimizing it and claiming that there is nothing wrong with it

well to be fair....demonizing it hasn't worked. Unless we go back to arranged marriages (with the leftovers becoming of either sex becoming consorts for some wealthy person) There is always going to be a demand. it's not like the war on drugs where the government created the problem and then offered a solution.

 

[mrttao]

well to be fair....demonizing it hasn't worked. Unless we go back to arranged marriages (with the leftovers becoming of either sex becoming consorts for some wealthy person) There is always going to be a demand. it's not like the war on drugs where the government created the problem and then offered a solution.

Demonizing it has not worked, legalizing it has not worked either.
That is because the devil is in the details.

Both demonizing it AND legalizing it can work and can fail depending on the exact specifics of the implementation.

The problem is that we are ruled by stupid-evil clowns. So they always implement everything badly, either on purpose, or due to stupidity, or both.

The only solution to the issues of prostitution is to work on it from other angles.
clean up govt, prevent children from accessing porn, stop school teachers from grooming children, etc.

That was supply side of the equation. As for demand side... demand is not specifically for whores, it is for sex.
A healthier society can allow people to get married safely, and they can have sex with their spouse instead of a whore. That won't completely eliminate demand for whores, but vastly reduce it.

 

[TheRejectionist]

So what are people's opinions of Hooters/Twin Peaks?

One very good United States invention besides Amendment to the United States Constitution.

well to be fair....demonizing it hasn't worked. Unless we go back to arranged marriages (with the leftovers becoming of either sex becoming consorts for some wealthy person) There is always going to be a demand. it's not like the war on drugs where the government created the problem and then offered a solution.

Demonizing it has not worked, legalizing it has not worked either.
That is because the devil is in the details.

Both demonizing it AND legalizing it can work and can fail depending on the exact specifics of the implementation.

The problem is that we are ruled by stupid-evil clowns. So they always implement everything badly, either on purpose, or due to stupidity, or both.

The only solution to the issues of prostitution is to work on it from other angles.
clean up govt, prevent children from accessing porn, stop school teachers from grooming children, etc.

That was supply side of the equation. As for demand side... demand is not specifically for whores, it is for sex.
A healthier society can allow people to get married safely, and they can have sex with their spouse instead of a whore. That won't completely eliminate demand for whores, but vastly reduce it.

My personal opinion on prostitution, regardless of gender, is that they do a more honest job than most current day politicians.

 

[mrttao]

My personal opinion on prostitution, regardless of gender, is that they do a more honest job than most current day politicians.

You could say the same about a serial killer.

 

[Abhorsen]

You could say the same about a serial killer.

Eh, they lie about it. A terrorist is a better example.

Demonizing it has not worked, legalizing it has not worked either.

Legalizing it has somewhat worked, and I'd argue it has worked better than banning it.

Supply side attacks do not work against a black market. What they do is make the good more expensive, which entrenches the organizations as they are more profitable. This is what leads to corruption, as a highly profitable business has more available funds to do corruption.

Demand side attacks are simply incredibly difficult to do. In fairness, for sex it's more doable, but it is still incredibly hard.

Instead, a tightly regulated industry is what you want. Where it's legal, so it's easier to spot and stop abuse. Once you operate illegally, you can get away with all kinds of abuse. But the women at the Bunny Ranch in Nevada aren't getting hit and raped by their pimp, which is in contrast to most of the rest of America. It still is exploitative and shit, but orders of magnitude less shit than otherwise. If they aren't paid, they can sue their pimp in a real court. If they are abused, then can go to the cops (who might still ignore them, but it won't result in them being arrested for prostitution at least).

 

[The Whispering Monk]

In fairness, for sex it's more doable, but it is still incredibly hard.

I see what you did there!

 

[mrttao]

Legalizing it has somewhat worked, and I'd argue it has worked better than banning it.

Supply side attacks do not work against a black market. What they do is make the good more expensive, which entrenches the organizations as they are more profitable. This is what leads to corruption, as a highly profitable business has more available funds to do corruption.

Demand side attacks are simply incredibly difficult to do. In fairness, for sex it's more doable, but it is still incredibly hard.

Instead, a tightly regulated industry is what you want. Where it's legal, so it's easier to spot and stop abuse. Once you operate illegally, you can get away with all kinds of abuse. But the women at the Bunny Ranch in Nevada aren't getting hit and raped by their pimp, which is in contrast to most of the rest of America. It still is exploitative and shit, but orders of magnitude less shit than otherwise. If they aren't paid, they can sue their pimp in a real court. If they are abused, then can go to the cops (who might still ignore them, but it won't result in them being arrested for prostitution at least).

You are literally using platitudes that are based on things like cocaine. And assuming that cocaine platitudes apply more than my specific exact examples.

For example, you say demand attacks are incredibly difficult to do...
that is because cocaine is grown in 3rd world countries and smuggled to your country.
edit: derp that is supply attack.

On the other hand, I specified that the demand is incredibly easy to massively reduce. And that is by fixing the stupid laws that make it impossible for a man to get married. it is NOT normal for half your pop to be single. this happens through insane laws like letting any woman divorce rape her husband at any time, making men liable for children provably not theirs (DNA testing), and other nonsense.

Put aside the cocaine platitudes and look at the divorce rate of india (half a percent). or the divorce rate of the amish vs the general pop. or the divorce rate of USA 50 years ago. we know there are working systems.

 

[Cherico]

You are literally using platitudes that are based on things like cocaine. And assuming that cocaine platitudes apply more than my specific exact examples.

For example, you say demand attacks are incredibly difficult to do...
that is because cocaine is grown in 3rd world countries and smuggled to your country.

On the other hand, I specified that the demand is incredibly easy to massively reduce. And that is by fixing the stupid laws that make it impossible for a man to get married. it is NOT normal for half your pop to be single. this happens through insane laws like letting any woman divorce rape her husband at any time, making men liable for children provably not theirs (DNA testing), and other nonsense.

Put aside the cocaine platitudes and look at the divorce rate of india (half a percent). or the divorce rate of the amish vs the general pop. or the divorce rate of USA 50 years ago. we know there are working systems.

yeah we pretty much fucked up the entire relationship system in the west, and normally when you have this many unmarried young men with no chance to get married you have violent revolutions to change the system. The fact that this has gone on for this long with out any of the serious push back that you historically see is weird.

and it makes me think that when the west does snap its going to be ugly as hell.

 

[Rocinante]

yeah we pretty much fucked up the entire relationship system in the west, and normally when you have this many unmarried young men with no chance to get married you have violent revolutions to change the system. The fact that this has gone on for this long with out any of the serious push back that you historically see is weird.

and it makes me think that when the west does snap its going to be ugly as hell.

No one has any testosterone left.

We are all feminized, fat and complacent, glued to our phones and TVs, and addicted to high calorie food, just like they want us to be.

There will be no revolution. People would have to put down the cheetos and mountain dew and actually get off their ass.

I'm not necessarily supporting a revolution. Just saying, it ain't happening.

 

[DarthOne]

No one has any testosterone left.

We are all feminized, fat and complacent, glued to our phones and TVs, and addicted to high calorie food, just like they want us to be.

There will be no revolution. People would have to put down the cheetos and mountain dew and actually get off their ass.

I'm not necessarily supporting a revolution. Just saying, it ain't happening.

I’m not so sure. There are a growing number of people who are paying attention and becoming aware of what’s going on. Which is a good thing; it means that you won’t need as much of a massive force to have an effective revolution. As the masses will just sit and do nothing; and the militaries of the west are not what they once were. In both training and skill, thanks to the aforementioned issues and cultural Marxist political ideology being more of a focus then actual training and skill.

 

[Abhorsen]

For example, you say demand attacks are incredibly difficult to do...
that is because cocaine is grown in 3rd world countries and smuggled to your country.

... That's a supply attack you are alluding to. The problem with demand is entirely homegrown. Stopping the production/destroying cocaine are supply attacks, not demand attacks.

A demand attack on cocaine would be the mass arrest of all cocaine users, for example. Or a nationwide rehabilitation program. Note that neither of these are implicated by where the drug is created, and works just as well for meth, which is also homegrown.

On the other hand, I specified that the demand is incredibly easy to massively reduce. And that is by fixing the stupid laws that make it impossible for a man to get married. it is NOT normal for half your pop to be single. this happens through insane laws like letting any woman divorce rape her husband at any time, making men liable for children provably not theirs (DNA testing), and other nonsense.

That you think massive societal level change is easy is your first problem. Your second, bigger problem is that you think that societal level change would impact prostitution to reduce singleness. Please, first give me evidence about how many woman are prostitutes as a percentage of population over a few decades of time, so we can see what direction we are headed in.

The thing that gives me pause is that it is easier than ever for people to have no strings attached sex without prostitution. I'm not sure that the issue is actually access to sex, but instead something else. I mean, Robert Kraft payed for a rub and tug after the Super Bowl. Porn likely also lessens the demand for prostitution as well. I don't rightly know what causes people to use it, but I'd say inability to sex otherwise isn't the main contributor.

No one has any testosterone left.

We are all feminized, fat and complacent, glued to our phones and TVs, and addicted to high calorie food, just like they want us to be.

There will be no revolution. People would have to put down the cheetos and mountain dew and actually get off their ass.

I'm not necessarily supporting a revolution. Just saying, it ain't happening.

I don't get this doomerism. People are already getting up off their ass and winning. Just looking at the last week in court cases, we got rid of affirmative action, reaffirmed free speech and that one can't compel it, stopped the censorship industrial complex, stopped a huge handout from the poor to the rich, etc.

Then there's the Bud Light stuff still happening, and I could continue. I see so many white pills right now it's crazy.

 

[Rocinante]

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I don't get this doomerism. People are already getting up off their ass and winning. Just looking at the last week in court cases, we got rid of affirmative action, reaffirmed free speech and that one can't compel it, stopped the censorship industrial complex, stopped a huge handout from the poor to the rich, etc.

Then there's the Bud Light stuff still happening, and I could continue. I see so many white pills right now it's crazy.

I was responding specifically to ponderings on why a revolution hasn't happened yet, and won't.

I'm not saying we aren't winning fights. I'm not saying we aren't making progress. In fact, the Supreme Court decisions recently have been a huge white pill for me.

I AM saying that we are too fat and complacent to start a revolution over the fact that there are too many chronically single men who can't get a woman. Part of what makes them incapable of getting women also makes them very unlikely to be revolutionary types.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

I don't get this doomerism. People are already getting up off their ass and winning. Just looking at the last week in court cases, we got rid of affirmative action, reaffirmed free speech and that one can't compel it, stopped the censorship industrial complex, stopped a huge handout from the poor to the rich, etc.

Then there's the Bud Light stuff still happening, and I could continue. I see so many white pills right now it's crazy.

we got rid of affirmative action

It still exists in other places though, and can always come back.

reaffirmed free speech

That's nice, can I get it in my country too? X_X And given the amount of cancelings in America it hardly has free speech still.

stopped the censorship industrial complex

My dude outside of 4chan I can't speak my mind freely, from my perspective censorship is an almost by-the-minute problem.

stopped a huge handout from the poor to the rich,

They own the banks, their funds are functionally infinite, any 'weakness' they show is temporary or just a façade.

 

[Blasterbot]

very sad. video has a link to a fund for the kid.

 

[Abhorsen]

It still exists in other places though, and can always come back.

... Literally a supreme court case. Affirmative action is also not popular. It's dead in college permanently and dying elsewhere once that too is litigated.

My dude outside of 4chan I can't speak my mind freely, from my perspective censorship is an almost by-the-minute problem.

Literally this happened yesterday, IIRC. Biden was blocked from communicating with social media companies in regards to censorship.

They own the banks, their funds are functionally infinite, any 'weakness' they show is temporary or just a façade.

Seriously, take a win. Jesus.

 

[Zachowon]

... Literally a supreme court case. Affirmative action is also not popular. It's dead in college permanently and dying elsewhere once that too is litigated.

Literally this happened yesterday, IIRC. Biden was blocked from communicating with social media companies in regards to censorship.

Seriously, take a win. Jesus.

He is an Aussie

 

[mrttao]

... That's a supply attack you are alluding to.

my bad there. mixed the writeup i was making

That you think massive societal level change is easy is your first problem. Your second, bigger problem is that you think that societal level change would impact prostitution to reduce singleness. Please, first give me evidence about how many woman are prostitutes as a percentage of population over a few decades of time, so we can see what direction we are headed in.

Here is the thing, our societal problems come from failed laws.
I am not advocating we invent a never before seen society.
I am saying we just need to overturn a few laws and let society self correct.

Hence why I said massive improvement instead of 100% gone. To get to 100% gone would require doing something new and innovative that somehow works without massive negative repercussions hypothetically possible but not at all trivial.

We have actually seen some major changes in recent times.
DeSantis has been killing it in florida
Supreme court struck down race based college admissions.
Texas banned abortions

The only difficult part is getting the votes needed to enact the change.
But once the law changes, the results are rapid and pronounced and society self corrects

 

[mrttao]

... Literally a supreme court case. Affirmative action is also not popular. It's dead in college permanently and dying elsewhere once that too is litigated.

Speaking of... already the dean of berkeley law school was caught on video conspiring to violate the law in this regard.

Dean of Berkeley Law caught on tape explaining how the school gets around anti-discrimination laws for the sake of "diversity"

Striking down affirmative action in college admissions was the first step, but we know it's not going to stop the woke white knights in the academy from continuing their racist practices.

notthebee.com

 

[Abhorsen]

Here is the thing, our societal problems come from failed laws.

It doesn't just come from bad laws though. The invention of the birth control pill is a huge part of this, something that is irreversible and that radically changes the calculus for dating. So I don't think we can return to the 1950s anymore, as peoples incentive structures have permanently changed.

With the birth control pill, and also women in the workforce, a woman has a far different incentive structure vs a woman from the 1950s. She now has time to be choosier, as the need for money and the desire for sex can both be met safely without a risk of having a baby nor a need for marriage. This results in women marrying later and having sex prior to marriage. There is simply no way around this. through removing bullshit laws.

Hence why I said massive improvement instead of 100% gone. To get to 100% gone would require doing something new and innovative that somehow works without massive negative repercussions hypothetically possible but not at all trivial.

We have actually seen some major changes in recent times.
DeSantis has been killing it in florida
Supreme court struck down race based college admissions.
Texas banned abortions

The only difficult part is getting the votes needed to enact the change.
But once the law changes, the results are rapid and pronounced and society self corrects

Again, those changes would be nice, but I'm not sure they affect prostitution. The changes that cause less prostitutes don't, as they make it more valuable to be/control a prostitute. The changes that cause more marriage may not actually affect the demand for prostitution, as I'm not sure that it's about people entirely lacking access to sex, but perhaps something else instead.

Meanwhile, legalization and regulation, while still doing those other things to keep as many people out of prostitution as possible, means that the prostitutes that will exist regardless aren't raped, beaten, hooked on drugs against their will (as much), or stolen from. They will also have access to law enforcement.

 

[TheRejectionist]

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