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Abhorsen said:
First, I absolutely believe every company would join a cartel if they could get away with it. I also think they are prone to cheating, which is somewhat self defeating.

In regards to this, you hadn't presented evidence of a relevant cartel yet. You are making a positive claim (saying there is something). So I waited for evidence that such a thing existed. As for looking up evidence, I do look up evidence and present it, just not all the time every time, because, well, I'm really busy right now. For example, in this thread, I did actually look up what happened in this case (I just noticed I forgot to link it, apologies. Here it is.:BMW does about-face, drops CarPlay annual subscription requirement), which is where I got that the market solved it.
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Wow, a citation on something totally unrelated to what we're actually discussing and with no relevance, that market sure is solving issues! If anything that failure is actually proof against your position, even if the market said no on one old subscription service, they're still trying different angles and the cartel is trying to get around it and enforce charging you to use your own property.

You're in a remarkably narrow and precise state of busyness that lets you post all your opinions several times a day but too busy to meet the ludicrous standards of evidence you demand from others. I do want to note, though, you didn't answer my question at all.

Are you admitting you made an objection you knew was false at the time just because you could? Or did you genuinely believe that a cartel that was shown to be lying to customers in the first set of citations was not colluding against and scamming customers in the process of lying to them?

Abhorsen said:
As for my position here changing, I have been arguing that the car market was a free market. And you have some definite legit points that there are real problems with it. So yeah, I'm fine conceding that it's a lot worse than I thought it was. I still could see the used car market keeping them in check, but that's still pretty bad and endemic and frequent. My position changed because you made good arguments. Congrats.

My real, original argument was that the $18/month thing is morally fine to offer, ought to be legally fine to offer, but something I dislike. It's sold with everyone having full knowledge of what they are buying and how much they are paying. I'd be very against hidden fees and sudden price hikes, I view them as close to fraud, if not just straight up fraud. "You didn't read the fine print, get fucked" ain't good enough.

But this quite simply isn't evidence of more collusion. It's just a company trying to get more money.
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"The multi-time Axe-Murderer has a right to walk down the sidewalk like everybody else, just because he was purposefully striding towards you with an axe raised over his head in a chopping position doesn't mean you can just shoot him! You have no proof he wasn't just going to walk past you!"

The rest of us have basic pattern recognition. We've already pointed out that this won't be profitable unless they go after property rights next. We've already seen how this dog and pony show plays out, such as John Deere doing the same thing to turn owning a tractor in a subscription service and John Deere went immediately to trying to remove property rights from people, such as the right of repair, because subscription services like this don't make money unless you take those rights away. Only you, who won't even meet your own standards given you tried to claim lying to customers wasn't colluding against them earlier, refuse to see it.
 
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mrttao said:
That is how it used to be.
Now adays you don't. You can patent the most banal shit and even abstract ideas.
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You've always been able to patent banal shit and abastract ideas ... as long as you're the first one who does it.

In '94 I got one that has long since expired for a geometry problem involving Pathygorean Triples that I thought had already been solved.
 
mrttao said:
You LITERALLY were arguing that it is perfectly ok for car manufacturers to charge you a monthly fee for hardware features in the car you bought (remotely disabling those hardware features if you stop paying), because "the free market will sort them out".
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I am literally arguing that it is perfectly okay for car manufacturers to offer the *option* of paying a monthly fee to enable hardware features in the car that you *didn't otherwise pay for*, as opposed to *only* offering those hardware features as one-time purchases at the time of original sale.

If I buy a car that is a "Model X, Baseline Trim", then what I am rightfully entitled to is exactly that -- Model X, Baseline Trim, with whatever options I have selected and paid for. If my "Model X, Baseline Trim" happens to actually be a, "Model X, Midline Trim" which is then locked down to Baseline Trim by electronically disabling the options that I didn't pay for, I have in no way been cheated or swindled, because I literally received exactly what I agreed to pay for. If the manufacturer does that and then *also* has the option of letting me selectively enable Midline Trim features as subscription or microtransaction purchases, I still haven't been cheated; in fact, this is good for me since it gives me more flexibility and choice that I would not have otherwise had.
 
ShadowArxxy said:
I am literally arguing that it is perfectly okay for car manufacturers to offer the *option* of paying a monthly fee to enable hardware features in the car that you *didn't otherwise pay for*, as opposed to *only* offering those hardware features as one-time purchases at the time of original sale.

If I buy a car that is a "Model X, Baseline Trim", then what I am rightfully entitled to is exactly that -- Model X, Baseline Trim, with whatever options I have selected and paid for. If my "Model X, Baseline Trim" happens to actually be a, "Model X, Midline Trim" which is then locked down to Baseline Trim by electronically disabling the options that I didn't pay for, I have in no way been cheated or swindled, because I literally received exactly what I agreed to pay for. If the manufacturer does that and then *also* has the option of letting me selectively enable Midline Trim features as subscription or microtransaction purchases, I still haven't been cheated; in fact, this is good for me since it gives me more flexibility and choice that I would not have otherwise had.
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Here's the problem: something like heated seats falls into the category of safety gear.

The 12v outlet in the centre console also falls into that category because emergency tire pumps can be plugged into one.
 
He really should've given up by that point, but I also have to wonder why so many cops will resort to just shooting someone so quickly like that, especially when with as many of them as there were, they should really have been able to subdue him.
 
Shooting is sadly a more common thing because of how many people will shoot cops at a simple traffic stop.
So yeah.
Vader actors cause cops to be trigger happy
 
Black Man was Killed By Police After Shooting into an Apartment Building and Almost Killing His Neighbors, including women and children, during what his family described as a 'Mental Health Episode.' The shooter, Tekle Sundberg, was ultimately killed by Police Snipers after a six plus hour standoff with Minneapolis Police.

Thankfully local activists were holding vigils and fundraising over the killing of this poor man by police and in a stirring occurrence, one of the victims, a young Mother, showed up to the vigil/rally for Tekle Sundberg as well to lend her voice to the protest.



One of the News Members is Commented as Saying "She's obviously going through a moment."

Other powerful counterpoints presented include, "At least your still alive." "This isn't the time for this." and "You are not Black."

In Happier News. both the Shooter and the Victim have Go Fund Me's with the former apparently garnering ten times more money then the latter as of yesteday.



Thankfully in the past twenty four hours, the Victims GoFundMe has actually surpassed that of the Felonious Shooter.

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Help A Single Mother & Gun Violence Survivor, organized by Ashley Foss

Hi everyone, I'm raising money for my younger sister Arabella Foss-Yarbrough … Ashley Foss needs your support for Help A Single Mother & Gun Violence Survivor
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Tekle Sundberg's family has already retained the services of Attorney Ben Crump whose represented many individuals in cases like this who were slain by 'the Man,' regardless of context.

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Neighbor of Black man in Minneapolis shot by police berates protesters: 'This is not OK!'

A mother of two young children confronted demonstrators in Minneapolis who were demanding justice over the police shooting of Andrew "Teckle" Sundberg last week.
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Hlaalu Agent said:
I don't know, given the fact that cops literally will go out of their way to shoot dogs dead...
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Do you mean the ATF?
And again, cops are given the whole shoot if your life is in danger.
If the cop shoots a dog and it isn't trying to attack him then that is then being in the wrong.
If a dog attacks them, it makes them incompasitated and thier weapon is now free game to anyone who can get it whole the cop is fighting the dog off.

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Zachowon said:
Do you mean the ATF?
And again, cops are given the whole shoot if your life is in danger.
If the cop shoots a dog and it isn't trying to attack him then that is then being in the wrong.
If a dog attacks them, it makes them incompasitated and thier weapon is now free game to anyone who can get it whole the cop is fighting the dog off.

Context, context context
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I mean the cops, the ATF are worse.

The cops literally shoot dogs dead all the time, when they weren't doing anything wrong. The dog is literally waggings its tail in the happy way, tongue lolling out, and happy to see a new person and gets shot, because a "cop is threatened". People literally lock their dog in a room, and then inform the cop that there is a dog in there so it won't get shot... and the cops barge in and shoot the dog dead.

And this happens all the time. And it has been reported enough that you should know that what you said is bullshit, the cops shoot dogs because they can.

edit: I got some good video evidence of this,

 
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Hlaalu Agent said:
I mean the cops, the ATF are worse.

The cops literally shoot dogs dead all the time, when they weren't doing anything wrong. The dog is literally waggings its tail in the happy way, tongue lolling out, and happy to see a new person and gets shot, because a "cop is threatened". People literally lock their dog in a room, and then inform the cop that there is a dog in there so it won't get shot... and the cops barge in and shoot the dog dead.

And this happens all the time. And it has been reported enough that you should know that what you said is bullshit, the cops shoot dogs because they can.

edit: I got some good video evidence of this,

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I literally have never heard of it.
And a cop shooting your dog is illegal, because if he has a body cam you can win that case.
 
Zachowon said:
I literally have never heard of it.
And a cop shooting your dog is illegal, because if he has a body cam you can win that case.
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It doesn't stop my dog from being dead. But I am lucky, I live out safely in the country and my dog probably is probably too small and goofy to register as a threat. But, if, she ever runs into a cop- there is always the risk.

And it is pretty perverse, the cops can set a dog on you and even if you legitimately fear for your life due to being attacked by a vicious attack animal- you can still get charged. So a cop can shoot a dog minding its own business, because they fear for their life. But anyone else if the police set their dogs on them, cannot do the same.

Anyways, going to pet my little dog right now, because thinking about this- is well upsetting.

edit: And, it occurs to me that it is my own responsibility for mentioning things that are upsetting to me, but I probably need to deal with it. Since if we don't talk about what we find upsetting, then that will just prevent things from being done. And since I am emotional about this, I am going to make an effort not to let myself get caught up and attack others due to this.
 
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Hlaalu Agent said:
I don't know, given the fact that cops literally will go out of their way to shoot dogs dead...
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In the USA they train cops, particularly SWAT, to shoot any dog they see until it is dead because the dog could hypothetically try to protect its owner and harm a cop while doing so. As such their standard policy is to always kill any dogs in the house while performing a no knock arrest.
 
 
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