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[Whitestrake Pelinal]

If anything you should be thanking me. You were about to erect (teehee) a Statue to your poor Pedarast Victim.

Ah yes, the straw man argument that exists in your rich inner world. Just keep lying about me and see where that gets you in the long run.

I say what I mean, which in this case is that a black got away with manslaughter with a slap on the wrist because of his "N-word" privilege.

 

[Agent23]

Oh hey everyone... Here's one for Hate News.

A Sixty Two Year Old Man was arrested on a drug bust and turned out to be grooming and fucking boys and his house was like grooming and rape central for luring children from nearby schools to hang out, read comic books, do drugs and get raped by a Man several times their age as he recorded and distributed the content!



What's really infuriating is he was only sentenced to five years for multiple counts of being a child predator. And he apparently only served three years.

In Florida, Drug Arrest Turns Into Child Pornography Investigation (Published 2006)

What started as a drug arrest at a Tampa home turned into a child pornography investigation after officers discovered thousands of pornographic photographs, videos and DVD's showing teenage boys and men having sex, the police said. Seven young men ages 16 to 20 were in the home at the time of...

www.nytimes.com

Victim in fatal Tampa Dunkin’ punch case identified

Vonelle Cook is the man who was punched by a Dunkin’ manager after calling him a racial slur, authorities said. The manager has been charged with manslaughter.

www.tampabay.com

I don't endorse "Punch a Nazi" but I can support "Punch a Pedarast."



I also capitalized Piece of Shit, Theater and Victim. Nice red herring though. I wouldn't want to talk about how I mourning the passing of a racist boy groomer either.

If anything you should be thanking me. You were about to erect (teehee) a Statue to your poor Pedarast Victim.

You think he only fucked White Kids like Epstein or did he broaden his horizons and lust over little Asian girls like Derbyshire? And if so, were his lusts honed in it due to training from folks like you or just nature?

Yeah,after reading all that I am starting to wonder if the black guy didn't know who the customer was.
Are we 100% sure the media is not confusing this guy with somebody else?

I mean, it is the media.

And you'd think that a democrat would know how to be politically correct.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Yeah,after reading all that I am starting to wonder if the black guy didn't know who the customer was.
Are we 100% sure the media is not confusing this guy with somebody else?

I mean, it is the media.

And you'd think that a democrat would know how to be politically correct.

Yeah my main thing when reading the story is that it seems to reinforce the concept that the best way to judge a person's character isn't in how they interact with friends, family or the boys they're grooming but in how they treat their underlings at work or even more presciently people like waiters or servers and retail and food service types. The fact it came out he was a regularly abusive and whiny customer tracks with other stories.

Like those two Somalis who tried to play the Black card when they were thrown out of a Chipotle for nonpayment and posted the supposed racist reactions of the Latino workers there abd after a day or two of outrage it turns out they were bragging on social media repeatedly about engaging in such behavior.

That was my main takeaway anyways. When I googled to see if he had a previous history of assholeishness it was pretty surprising to see him in a Sexual Predator list.

 

[Agent23]

Like those two Somalis who tried to play the Black card when they were thrown out of a Chipotle for nonpayment and posted the supposed racist reactions of the Latino workers there abd after a day or two of outrage it turns out they were bragging on social media repeatedly about engaging in such behavior.

Also, I am generally pretty skeptical about "hate" crimes and racism in the USA, since a lot of them turn out to be hoaxes, like that actor that bribed two Nigerian body builders to pretend to be Trump fans that were attacking him.
RGE-senpai calls him Juicy Smolie or Soye.

Also, that idiot race car driver that claimed some equipment in a garage was a noose.

 

[Floridaman]

Also, I am generally pretty skeptical about "hate" crimes and racism in the USA, since a lot of them turn out to be hoaxes, like that actor that bribed two Nigerian body builders to pretend to be Trump fans that were attacking him.
RGE-senpai calls him Juicy Smolie or Soye.

Also, that idiot race car driver that claimed some equipment in a garage was a noose.

you will find the demand for racist incidents vastly exceeds the supply of racists available to do it.

 

[mrttao]

I think there are two separate issues here

Issue 1: fighting words.
govt shouldn't be overly restrictive in banning fights. Sometimes you need to punch a dude.

Issue 2: racist judicial system
If the races were reversed the killer would be getting life in prison instead of house arrest

What I am seeing here is people picking an issue to care more about, and then dismissing the other one based on their preferred issue. Play stupid games win stupid prizes is true... but does not negate the wildly disproportionate dispensation of justice.

Also, was there a recording proving what words were used here? Or do we only have the killers word on this? Because false n-word accusation are rampant nowadays, as they know it is an instant get out of jail free card.

 

[Rocinante]

I think there are two separate issues here

Issue 1: fighting words.
govt shouldn't be overly restrictive in banning fights. Sometimes you need to punch a dude.

Issue 2: racist judicial system
If the races were reversed the killer would be getting life in prison instead of house arrest

What I am seeing here is people picking an issue to care more about, and then dismissing the other one based on their preferred issue. Play stupid games win stupid prizes is true... but does not negate the wildly disproportionate dispensation of justice.

Also, was there a recording proving what words were used here? Or do we only have the killers word on this? Because false n-word accusation are rampant nowadays, as they know it is an instant get out of jail free card.

as far as your point 2 goes, I agree this is a problem, but I don't think the solution is the give the black guy a harder sentence, but rather not to over sentence when a white guy runs into a flipped scenario.

It's cool to call it out. I just lean on the side that says lighter punishments for an accidental death are .ore appropriate. He punched a guy. People punch each other all the time. You don't expect anyone to die from it. Intent matters a lot.

 

[LordsFire]

as far as your point 2 goes, I agree this is a problem, but I don't think the solution is the give the black guy a harder sentence, but rather not to over sentence when a white guy runs into a flipped scenario.

It's cool to call it out. I just lean on the side that says lighter punishments for an accidental death are .ore appropriate. He punched a guy. People punch each other all the time. You don't expect anyone to die from it. Intent matters a lot.

When someone dies due to unnecessary action, 'a lighter sentence' is five years in jail instead of twenty, not two years of house arrest.

 

[LordSunhawk]

I think this is mostly a case of the prosecution looking at the case, looking at the victim's record, and deciding 'there is no freaking way we're getting a conviction for full up murder here' and bailing with a plea deal.

May not be ideal, but I think a combination of 'fighting words', lack of intent, and 'he needed killing' is at play here. Nobody, white or black, would have had the book thrown at them for killing this guy, especially in those circumstances.

 

[Bacle]

When someone dies due to unnecessary action, 'a lighter sentence' is five years in jail instead of twenty, not two years of house arrest.

Intent matters a lot (there was no intent to kill or grievously wound), as do mitigating circumstances (calling someone the N-word on purpose, then doing it again when told to leave), and the 'victim's' history (looks like/is a pedo and repeatedly caused problems at the place). Prison is not where this guy belongs, and the sentence shows that.

The US prison industry is a for-profit venture that pays judges and the like to put in harsher than necessary sentences, and we have people like Kamala Harris, who as a DA, tried to keep exonerating evidence out of court to keep her conviction rate up and wanted to keep people in prison past their release date to provide more prison labor.

This was an appropriate sentence, and trying to take some sort of 'tough on crime' stance doesn't make you seem better.

 

[posh-goofiness]

Intent matters a lot (there was no intent to kill or grievously wound), as do mitigating circumstances (calling someone the N-word on purpose, then doing it again when told to leave), and the 'victim's' history (looks like/is a pedo and repeatedly caused problems at the place). Prison is not where this guy belongs, and the sentence shows that.

The US prison industry is a for-profit venture that pays judges and the like to put in harsher than necessary sentences, and we have people like Kamala Harris, who as a DA, tried to keep exonerating evidence out of court to keep her conviction rate up and wanted to keep people in prison past their release date to provide more prison labor.

This was an appropriate sentence, and trying to take some sort of 'tough on crime' stance doesn't make you seem better.

Two year house arrest is appropriate for involuntary manslaughter?

 

[Bacle]

Two year house arrest is appropriate for involuntary manslaughter?

In this kinda of circumstance, yes.

He did not mean to kill the guy, had been repeatedly provoked beforehand, the victim had repeatedly caused problems for the subshop, and the victim was pedo/sexual predator, based on what was discovered later.

Going all 'tough on crime' may give you a good feeling in your chest or a good soundbite for political purposes, but it does not mean the 'tough on crime' policies will actually make things any better or actually serve justice, as opposed to just feeding more money to the for-profit US prison industry.

 

[posh-goofiness]

In this kinda of circumstance, yes.

He did not mean to kill the guy, had been repeatedly provoked beforehand, the victim had repeatedly caused problems for the subshop, and the victim was pedo/sexual predator, based on what was discovered later.

Going all 'tough on crime' may give you a good feeling in your chest or a good soundbite for political purposes, but it does not mean the 'tough on crime' policies will actually make things any better or actually serve justice, as opposed to just feeding more money to the for-profit US prison industry.

You could convince me that two years in prison is appropriate. Not house arrest. That's not "tough" on crime, that's consistent with sentencing guidelines in most states.

 

[Bacle]

You could convince me that two years in prison is appropriate. Not house arrest. That's not "tough" on crime, that's consistent with sentencing guidelines in most states.

It also is a sentence that would still be unjust for what happened here, and is why such a sentence was not handed down.

 

[LordSunhawk]

If this case goes to a jury after they hear that the victim was a convicted pedo with a history of abusive behavior? Guy gets off completely, no jury would convict. On that basis, the prosecutor cut a deal and got something, rather than nothing.

Is it 'perfect'? No, it's not, but it is what was achievable given the facts in that case. And given the same fact pattern I think that the relative ethnicities of the two men involved was completely irrelevant.

It is amusing, of course, to see the white supremacists like Whitestrake wind up putting a homosexual pedophile on a pedestal purely because the perpetrator was black and they thought they could cry victim.

Do note that this is distinct from those who feel that unlawfully killing a person, no matter what, is deserving of a harsh sentence. I agree, but no jury would convict based on the fact pattern of this case. But to be a fly on the wall as Whitestrake had to confront that his latest hero was a pedo? Priceless gold schadenfreude, the finest of German joys.

 

[Whitestrake Pelinal]

If this case goes to a jury after they hear that the victim was a convicted pedo with a history of abusive behavior? Guy gets off completely, no jury would convict. On that basis, the prosecutor cut a deal and got something, rather than nothing.

Is it 'perfect'? No, it's not, but it is what was achievable given the facts in that case. And given the same fact pattern I think that the relative ethnicities of the two men involved was completely irrelevant.

It is amusing, of course, to see the white supremacists like Whitestrake wind up putting a homosexual pedophile on a pedestal purely because the perpetrator was black and they thought they could cry victim.

Do note that this is distinct from those who feel that unlawfully killing a person, no matter what, is deserving of a harsh sentence. I agree, but no jury would convict based on the fact pattern of this case. But to be a fly on the wall as Whitestrake had to confront that his latest hero was a pedo? Priceless gold schadenfreude, the finest of German joys.

False witness, @LordSunhawk, false witness. I was clear from the start that I want the black who committed manslaughter to be sentenced properly for manslaughter, rather than being let off easy because of "N-word" privilege. Doesn't matter if there's a risk of a bronx jury, the obligation still exists to try to get it.

Cases like this are why American courts are required to exclude past crimes. After the last page of discussion it should be easy to understand why.

 

[mrttao]

Intent matters a lot

Intent matters vastly less than you would think. unless you are a person with extra rights.

Did you intend to kill him?
Yes = Murder
No = Manslaughter

You might argue that the penalty for manslaughter is too high. And that is a fine argument to make. But it is neither here nor there.
The fact remains that premeditated murder is life in prison, while accidental manslaughter is 2-5 years in prison.

But in special circumstances like this one they get a slap on the wrist instead.

Also he did not know the person he was killing was a convicted pedo. It is a huge failure of the state that convicted pedos are walking the streets instead of hanging from a noose. But as far as the killer in this case knew, the person he was killing was just a rude customer.

 

[Sir 1000]

I think there are two separate issues here

Issue 1: fighting words.
govt shouldn't be overly restrictive in banning fights. Sometimes you need to punch a dude.

Issue 2: racist judicial system
If the races were reversed the killer would be getting life in prison instead of house arrest

What I am seeing here is people picking an issue to care more about, and then dismissing the other one based on their preferred issue. Play stupid games win stupid prizes is true... but does not negate the wildly disproportionate dispensation of justice.

Also, was there a recording proving what words were used here? Or do we only have the killers word on this? Because false n-word accusation are rampant nowadays, as they know it is an instant get out of jail free card.

Yeah, gonna need more than the killers say so after seeing plenty of dindu nuffins lie about that shit.

 

[LordsFire]

If this case goes to a jury after they hear that the victim was a convicted pedo with a history of abusive behavior? Guy gets off completely, no jury would convict. On that basis, the prosecutor cut a deal and got something, rather than nothing.

Is it 'perfect'? No, it's not, but it is what was achievable given the facts in that case. And given the same fact pattern I think that the relative ethnicities of the two men involved was completely irrelevant.

It is amusing, of course, to see the white supremacists like Whitestrake wind up putting a homosexual pedophile on a pedestal purely because the perpetrator was black and they thought they could cry victim.

Do note that this is distinct from those who feel that unlawfully killing a person, no matter what, is deserving of a harsh sentence. I agree, but no jury would convict based on the fact pattern of this case. But to be a fly on the wall as Whitestrake had to confront that his latest hero was a pedo? Priceless gold schadenfreude, the finest of German joys.

No.

This is not justice works.

A man killed another man, and it was not even remotely in self defense. The fact that he should have been in prison for crimes committed does not change these facts. Even if those were especially heinous crimes, ones that I think should have included castration as a penalty.

Two years of house arrest is not a just punishment for killing a man, not without substantially more. justification than 'he said bad words to me.' Unless those words are 'I'm going to kill you,' delivered as a credible threat, that is no justification for killing.

Justice is supposed to be blind.

 

[LordSunhawk]

No.

This is not justice works.

A man killed another man, and it was not even remotely in self defense. The fact that he should have been in prison for crimes committed does not change these facts. Even if those were especially heinous crimes, ones that I think should have included castration as a penalty.

Two years of house arrest is not a just punishment for killing a man, not without substantially more. justification than 'he said bad words to me.' Unless those words are 'I'm going to kill you,' delivered as a credible threat, that is no justification for killing.

Justice is supposed to be blind.

In a perfect world? I agree with you. But this isn't a perfect world. No jury would convict him, if the prosecutor went for a murder rap with jail time, he would have walked out of the court room a free man. Ordinarily the priors of the victim wouldn't matter, however they tend to leak out regardless to the jury, and the prosecutor would know this. And they can object all they want, but all the defense has to do is make the reference and you can't unring the bell.

The sentence that he got was the best that could be done given the fact pattern in the case, not because it is perfect justice, because I agree with you that in a perfect situation he would be in jail for 2 to 5 years for manslaughter, but because it is the greatest punishment achievable.