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Jormungandr

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Wrong kind of space, more like Space force and Air force type of stuff
Not seeing it. I mean, hell, the F-35, spec-wise, shits on the J-25 like a Challenger 2 does a T-72. At most the J-25, and that's their most modern plane compared to the others in Chinese service, is equivalent to one of the older yet upgraded fighter designs still used by the US, such as the F-22.
 

Zachowon

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Not seeing it. I mean, hell, the F-35, spec-wise, shits on the J-25 like a Challenger 2 does a T-72. At most the J-25, and that's their most modern plane compared to the others in Chinese service, is equivalent to one of the older yet upgraded fighter designs still used by the US, such as the F-22.
Cyber and space.
Stuff that has some physical stuff, but not THAT much physical stuff
 

LindyAF

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Cyber and space.
Stuff that has some physical stuff, but not THAT much physical stuff

We have 4x the military satellites they do. I remember the last time I brought that up the counter argument was “yes but that’s less of an advantage if we’re fighting on China’s home turf” but that being true doesn’t make them peer.
 

Terthna

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This was literally one of the arguments they used to justify Iraq. "Appeasement" is a myth invented by chicken-hawks to justify any and every war. The idea that if we don't have total military dominance of the entire world than we can't defend our own borders is insane.

"If China takes a small island nation off its coast line next thing you know they'll be rolling into Paris" do you hear yourself?
"Appeasement is a myth", huh? Well then; I guess the Munich Agreement never happened. Comparing the situation with China to the one with Iraq is intellectually dishonest; Iraq never actually posed a threat to us, and had little ambition of becoming one. China, meanwhile, has been successfully conducting an economic and cultural war against us for decades; mostly because our establishment refused to do anything about them stealing our intellectual property, and subverting our media and education system. For Pete's sake; people are so terrified of angering the CCP, many refuse to acknowledge that what they're doing to the Uyghurs constitutes genocide.

Mark my words; if we let China invade Taiwan unopposed, we will later curse ourselves for our cowardice in allowing history to repeat itself. This isn't about the United States maintaining "total military dominance of the entire world"; this is about stopping the advance of another Nazi Germany, who will take our refusal to act as an invitation to continue their war of conquest. If China takes Taiwan, then much like when Europe allowed Hitler to take Czechoslovakia, they will not stop there; and we will eventually be forced to confront them, after a lot of people end up dead.

Also keep in mind; those very same chicken-hawks do not want a war with China. They make too much money off of them.
 

Zachowon

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We have 4x the military satellites they do. I remember the last time I brought that up the counter argument was “yes but that’s less of an advantage if we’re fighting on China’s home turf” but that being true doesn’t make them peer.
I will drop this because I can't contuine further
 

Jormungandr

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No smorgasbord range rape session for you.
To be honest, I'd have expected the reverse (the migrants committing such crimes). And, yes, my view is reinforced from a personal anecdote (tl;dr: years ago, a Swedish acquaintance of the family was basically groped by a migrant when she was in a supermarket in her home town: they were using a nearby ski resort as housing for them. She turned around and decked him, lol).

Also, the old dude raping men really isn't helping the LGBTQ+ community's image. 😟
 

Urabrask Revealed

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To be honest, I'd have expected the reverse (the migrants committing such crimes). And, yes, my view is reinforced from a personal anecdote (tl;dr: years ago, a Swedish acquaintance of the family was basically groped by a migrant when she was in a supermarket in her home town: they were using a nearby ski resort as housing for them. She turned around and decked him, lol).
Well, at least someone is fighting back against that kind of thing.
Also, the old dude raping men really isn't helping the LGBTQ+ community's image. 😟
Does he need to care? The locals have to keep quiet because speaking out against LGBT would get them expelled from society, and the illegals couldn't posssible hate homos more than they already do.
 

Jormungandr

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Well, at least someone is fighting back against that kind of thing.

Does he need to care? The locals have to keep quiet because speaking out against LGBT would get them expelled from society, and the illegals couldn't possibly hate homos more than they already do.
I... can't really argue with that, lol.
 

Jormungandr

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To be fair the LGBT community has given us a lot of good things like Alan turing, Freddy mercury and the Top Gun movie.
That'd be defining anyone who is at least bisexual as being part of the LGBT community, though? Unless you conflate "movement" with community...

I mean, I'm straight -- does that make me part of a hypothetical CIS community? Would labeling every person who is at least bisexual part of the LGBT community "defining" them?
 

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Yeah but will it be enough to break into the online echo chambers? And if it does, will it be too little too late or not?
The online 'echo chambers' are part of it winning. Most echo chambers aren't, and are just the media complaining they don't control everything. And on top of this, echo chambers aren't new either. Echo chambers are the base state that existed before. Your echo chamber before the internet was your local community that you interact with. Its modern peer to peer communications (like the telephone and facebook) that changed those groups.

That'd be defining anyone who is at least bisexual as being part of the LGBT community, though? Unless you conflate "movement" with community...

I mean, I'm straight -- does that make me part of a hypothetical CIS community? Would labeling every person who is at least bisexual part of the LGBT community "defining" them?
Eh, Turing and Mercury were gay. Second, they're associated at least as much as an activist most haven't heard of before.

Third, their isn't a het cis community, because there's no pressing need for one to exist, and there hasn't been. The only reason an LGBT community exists at all was outside pressure and discrimination basically forcing them to move to cities and get together secretly. It now exists in America as more a legacy of that. In some other world where there was never discrimination against gays, or at least not much of it, there would have been no LGBT community, like in Rome. Gays would just be men attracted to men, and there wouldn't be anything special about it.
 

Jormungandr

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The online 'echo chambers' are part of it winning. Most echo chambers aren't, and are just the media complaining they don't control everything. And on top of this, echo chambers aren't new either. Echo chambers are the base state that existed before. Your echo chamber before the internet was your local community that you interact with. Its modern peer to peer communications (like the telephone and facebook) that changed those groups.


Eh, Turing and Mercury were gay. Second, they're associated at least as much as an activist most haven't heard of before.

Third, their isn't a het cis community, because there's no pressing need for one to exist, and there hasn't been. The only reason an LGBT community exists at all was outside pressure and discrimination basically forcing them to move to cities and get together secretly. It now exists in America as more a legacy of that. In some other world where there was never discrimination against gays, or at least not much of it, there would have been no LGBT community, like in Rome. Gays would just be men attracted to men, and there wouldn't be anything special about it.
Have people who are at least bisexual ever been offended or insulted at being "classified" in such a way, though? Like how some Black people get pissed when they're constantly referred to as an ethnic minority, like it's some sacrosanct club they're forced into belonging to? I'm genuinely curious, as I know there are a lot of LGBTQ+ people who dislike the movement due to certain elements in it, and that they consider themselves just people with different orientations than part of an exclusive subset of the population.

...Yeah, not sure I phrased this correctly with the context I'm going for. I'm awful at articulating thoughts unless it's through fictional prose.

Edit: also, what happened to Turing was terrible. One of the greatest minds of his generation treated like that. And Freddie Mercury is awesome. I still love listening to Queen.
 

Abhorsen

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Have people who are at least bisexual ever been offended or insulted at being "classified" in such a way, though?
I mean, all types of LGBT (but unsurprisingly not the +) have some people get offended at being in the *Community* nowadays, for various reasons including: not liking the promiscuity, not liking the seemingly forced political positions, etc. But usually its not especially true for Bi people from their perspective. If anything, bi people have to fight some parts of the community to be acknowledged as real. And then some bi people are in straight relationships and told they don't count cause of that.

So this does happen, but also I wouldn't say there's some reason it would focus on bi people.

Edit: also, what happened to Turing was terrible. One of the greatest minds of his generation treated like that. And Freddie Mercury is awesome. I still love listening to Queen
Totally agree with this. Turing was a hero and Queen is amazing.
 

Cherico

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I mean, all types of LGBT (but unsurprisingly not the +) have some people get offended at being in the *Community* nowadays, for various reasons including: not liking the promiscuity, not liking the seemingly forced political positions, etc. But usually its not especially true for Bi people from their perspective. If anything, bi people have to fight some parts of the community to be acknowledged as real. And then some bi people are in straight relationships and told they don't count cause of that.

So this does happen, but also I wouldn't say there's some reason it would focus on bi people.


Totally agree with this. Turing was a hero and Queen is amazing.


are we also in agreement that Top gun is the best gay movie ever?
 

Bassoe

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fighting them would mean fighting the same people who off-shored your job, regularly pick away at your rights, attempted to replace you with more politically loyal foreigners, destroyed social cohesion and have frequently told you they want you dead. Because the CCP have been helping our establishment to do all of that stuff to us for decades.
No, it'd mean fighting for said people. Here's how a war with China over Taiwan would actually play out:
  1. Large numbers of young American men who've been rendered economically redundant by automation and globalization and whom changing societal norms have denied any chance of marriage and family are drafted and sent off to get shot by large numbers of drafted young Chinese men who're in essentially the same situation thanks to the One Child gender imbalance. In this manner, the American and Chinese status quos both remove threats to themselves
  2. Large sums of money, either taken directly from American taxpayers or printed, devaluing the preexisting savings of American citizens are given to military-industry complex megacorps to create even more redundant military equipment.
  3. Various laws to censor dissidence against the status quo and spy upon everyone are forced through, justified by 'wartime emergency'. Needless to say, once the war is over, they're never going away.
  4. The war is an enormous bloody stalemate at best, insofar as, if either side looks like they're winning the conventional war, their opponent can threaten to go nuclear. At worst, said bluff is called and plebeians on both sides die en masse while the wealthy and politically powerful who created said war in the first place vanish off to their private and/or government-funded bunkers, to emerge once the fallout dies down and use their hoarded technological goodies inside said bunkers to rule even more authoritatively over the survivors who've been reduced to pretechnological barbarianism as essentially feudal nobility.
This was literally one of the arguments they used to justify Iraq. "Appeasement" is a myth invented by chicken-hawks to justify any and every war. The idea that if we don't have total military dominance of the entire world than we can't defend our own borders is insane.

"If China takes a small island nation off its coast line next thing you know they'll be rolling into Paris" do you hear yourself?



No, it isn't, that's ridiculous. China's goal is to replace the US as the global hegemon. Historically China's been pretty much shit at warring with non-Chinese, they couldn't hold North Vietnam. They're not one island away from remaking Red Dawn IRL.

And no, fighting them is fighting on behalf of the people who did all that shit.



The global American empire is hostile rather than beneficial to the historic American nation, so it "this hurts the empire" isn't a good argument. Hurting the empire is good.
"US"
The term equivocates between the nation, the government, and the land.

It's also pretty easy to not be isolated but also not send America's sons to die on behalf of a system that hates them over an island 6,700 miles away.
They aren't our allies, they're the DC parasite's. It isn't mine. It isn't ours. The globalist empire isn't something I or the heritage American nation have any stake in.

The US Empire has a presence in SK and Japan too, though, so what you're saying isn't even true.
Perhaps calling it the American Empire is a misidentification, it's the corporatist empire, it just uses the money of American taxpayers and the lives of American soldiers as its cannon fodder.

Maybe all empires are like that, during the glory days of the european colonial empires, the average european plebeian was stuck in grinding poverty, wage slavery, being used as disposable cannon fodder or some combination of the above while the rulers enriched themselves off the plunder of the world.

It'll be interesting to see if in a century, the middle eastern invasions will have been treated likewise and added to the Original Sin of 'your ancestors did colonialism' that we're expected to apologize for.
China is not a peer power to the United States.
They are in the sole way that actually matters, specifically, MAD deterrence. Any limited non-nuclear war would be unwinnable, since as soon as once side looked like it'd succeed, the other could simply threaten to blow up the world. All it'd do is waste money and lives.
 

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