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[Terthna]

The PRC learned and quite brilliantly exploited the ideological blind spot of 'postnational' neoliberalism/the american empire/status quo. They essentially enslaved their own population to become a manufacturing superpower and undercut the costs of everyone else's domestic manufacturing industries and consequentially became untouchable, they could break as many international norms as they liked, demand ideologically customized products, censorship in foreign countries, political influence, steal IP, nobody wanted to lose access to their manufacturing base or 18.47% of the global market. Only now are some politicians beginning to recognize just how spectacularly 'make them rich and they'll become less totalitarian' End Of History ideology backfired.

Let's see, should we (american plebeians) be canon fodder in an incredibly bloody war against a technological and military peer power, when we know from the last few wars, veterans will be completely screwed over, for the same corporatist system which created the enemy at our own expense, specifically quite literally ours (those were our manufacturing jobs before they got offshored for cheaper slave labor) in the first place, and risk nuclear war and the annihilation of human civilization... ...or we could not do that?

If we don't defend Taiwan, we're probably not going to defend Japan, or India, or Africa, or Europe; and eventually, we're not going to be able to defend ourselves. Appeasement doesn't get you anything but a more difficult fight later down the road.

 

[Bassoe]

eventually, we're not going to be able to defend ourselves

>Nuclear MAD
>we've got it, and if the japanese, indians, africans and europeans have any sense, they'll be working on getting it before the inevitable collapse of the american empire and its nuclear umbrella

I'm not going to sacrifice myself for a system which has made it absolutely clear that it doesn't care about my well-being. The system wants plebeian patriotism, what's it given us to be patriotic about? Go die fighting foreigners who pose no threat to you (insofar as any actual war would consist of mutual nuclear suicide) for the same people who offshored your job, regularly pick away at your rights, attempted to replace you with more politically loyal foreigners, destroyed social cohesion and have frequently told you they want you dead? When you've just witnessed decades of veterans coming home to a society which does nothing for them and whatever crippling injuries they received in the endless war for global corporate hegemony?

Hang on, are the British Army "B Ark-ing"?

As in, a recruitment campaign to gather all of our nation's hipsters, tumblrites and unemployable couch potatoes into a sort of forlorn hope before declaring war on somewhere with machinegun emplacements? If so, that is malevolent as fuck but absolutely BRILLIANT.

Either have some kind of service-guarantees-citizenship thingie so instead of american plebeians as canon fodder, it'll be poor foreign plebeians who want to become american plebeians or go throw money at Boston Dynamics until they build you some ED-209s.

 

[Terthna]

>Nuclear MAD
>we've got it, and if the japanese, indians, africans and europeans have any sense, they'll be working on getting it before the inevitable collapse of the american empire and its nuclear umbrella

I'm not going to sacrifice myself for a system which has made it absolutely clear that it doesn't care about my well-being. The system wants plebeian patriotism, what's it given us to be patriotic about? Go die fighting foreigners who pose no threat to you (insofar as any actual war would consist of mutual nuclear suicide) for the same people who offshored your job, regularly pick away at your rights, attempted to replace you with more politically loyal foreigners, destroyed social cohesion and have frequently told you they want you dead? When you've just witnessed decades of veterans coming home to a society which does nothing for them and whatever crippling injuries they received in the endless war for global corporate hegemony?

But China does pose a threat to you, their end goal is to conqueror your nation after all, and fighting them would mean fighting the same people who off-shored your job, regularly pick away at your rights, attempted to replace you with more politically loyal foreigners, destroyed social cohesion and have frequently told you they want you dead. Because the CCP have been helping our establishment to do all of that stuff to us for decades.

Besides; Mutually Assured Destruction only matters when the enemy thinks we're actually willing to destroy ourselves in order to destroy them. And what was it you said? "I'm not going to sacrifice myself"; well that just says it all, doesn't it?

 

[Zachowon]

The PRC learned and quite brilliantly exploited the ideological blind spot of 'postnational' neoliberalism/the american empire/status quo. They essentially enslaved their own population to become a manufacturing superpower and undercut the costs of everyone else's domestic manufacturing industries and consequentially became untouchable, they could break as many international norms as they liked, demand ideologically customized products, censorship in foreign countries, political influence, steal IP, nobody wanted to lose access to their manufacturing base or 18.47% of the global market. Only now are some politicians beginning to recognize just how spectacularly 'make them rich and they'll become less totalitarian' End Of History ideology backfired.

Let's see, should we (american plebeians) be canon fodder in an incredibly bloody war against a technological and military peer power, when we know from the last few wars, veterans will be completely screwed over, for the same corporatist system which created the enemy at our own expense, specifically quite literally ours (those were our manufacturing jobs before they got offshored for cheaper slave labor) in the first place, and risk nuclear war and the annihilation of human civilization... ...or we could not do that?

A war that will make or break US super power in the Pacific and of we let Taiwan get taken we basically are going "Here China take all of Spith East Asia while you are at it" and lose a lot of our economy that way.
But of course being isolated and letting everyone get taken over by China is perfectly fine.

Defending Taiwan would not only blow China's economy, but it would devesate thker military.

 

[Sir 1000]

Every riot is a loss. I want socialists rioting every day in their own towns. It's a self made message about why they are bad. It's great optics.

Optics only matter when the media is impartial and fairly reports, especially when the left will happilly false flag for you. Even when the right doesn't show up to honeypots, it's reported as weakness, like the ''white lives matter'' rally. When you're political opponents control things to that degree, the only optics that matter is on your rifle.

 

[Abhorsen]

Optics only matter when the media is impartial and fairly reports, especially when the left will happilly false flag for you. Even when the right doesn't show up to honeypots, it's reported as weakness, like the ''white lives matter'' rally. When you're political opponents control things to that degree, the only optics that matter is on your rifle.

The media is losing power as it fractures through technology. So (part of) the media now more than ever is likely to report the truth, like the Daily Wire, the PostMillenial, individual youtube channels, etc. It very much is getting reported on.

The decentralization of power is the most important battle going on today, and it's one we are winning because it relies on technology not politics.

 

[DarthOne]

The media is losing power as it fractures through technology. So (part of) the media now more than ever is likely to report the truth, like the Daily Wire, the PostMillenial, individual youtube channels, etc. It very much is getting reported on.

The decentralization of power is the most important battle going on today, and it's one we are winning because it relies on technology not politics.

Yeah but will it be enough to break into the online echo chambers? And if it does, will it be too little too late or not?

 

[LindyAF]

If we don't defend Taiwan, we're probably not going to defend Japan, or India, or Africa, or Europe; and eventually, we're not going to be able to defend ourselves. Appeasement doesn't get you anything but a more difficult fight later down the road.

This was literally one of the arguments they used to justify Iraq. "Appeasement" is a myth invented by chicken-hawks to justify any and every war. The idea that if we don't have total military dominance of the entire world than we can't defend our own borders is insane.

"If China takes a small island nation off its coast line next thing you know they'll be rolling into Paris" do you hear yourself?

But China does pose a threat to you, their end goal is to conqueror your nation after all, and fighting them would mean fighting the same people who off-shored your job, regularly pick away at your rights, attempted to replace you with more politically loyal foreigners, destroyed social cohesion and have frequently told you they want you dead. Because the CCP have been helping our establishment to do all of that stuff to us for decades.

Besides; Mutually Assured Destruction only matters when the enemy thinks we're actually willing to destroy ourselves in order to destroy them. And what was it you said? "I'm not going to sacrifice myself"; well that just says it all, doesn't it?

No, it isn't, that's ridiculous. China's goal is to replace the US as the global hegemon. Historically China's been pretty much shit at warring with non-Chinese, they couldn't hold North Vietnam. They're not one island away from remaking Red Dawn IRL.

And no, fighting them is fighting on behalf of the people who did all that shit.

A war that will make or break US super power in the Pacific and of we let Taiwan get taken we basically are going "Here China take all of Spith East Asia while you are at it" and lose a lot of our economy that way.
But of course being isolated and letting everyone get taken over by China is perfectly fine.

Defending Taiwan would not only blow China's economy, but it would devesate thker military.

The global American empire is hostile rather than beneficial to the historic American nation, so it "this hurts the empire" isn't a good argument. Hurting the empire is good.

 

[Zachowon]

This was literally one of the arguments they used to justify Iraq. "Appeasement" is a myth invented by chicken-hawks to justify any and every war. The idea that if we don't have total military dominance of the entire world than we can't defend our own borders is insane.

"If China takes a small island nation off its coast line next thing you know they'll be rolling into Paris" do you hear yourself?



No, it isn't, that's ridiculous. China's goal is to replace the US as the global hegemon. Historically China's been pretty much shit at warring with non-Chinese, they couldn't hold North Vietnam. They're not one island away from remaking Red Dawn IRL.

And no, fighting them is fighting on behalf of the people who did all that shit.



The global American empire is hostile rather than beneficial to the historic American nation, so it "this hurts the empire" isn't a good argument. Hurting the empire is good.

Becoming isolated is worse for the US in the long run.
I say we find a balance between the two

 

[LindyAF]

Becoming isolated is worse for the US in the long run.

"US"
The term equivocates between the nation, the government, and the land.

It's also pretty easy to not be isolated but also not send America's sons to die on behalf of a system that hates them over an island 6,700 miles away.

 

[Zachowon]

"US"
The term equivocates between the nation, the government, and the land.

It's also pretty easy to not be isolated but also not send America's sons to die on behalf of a system that hates them over an island 6,700 miles away.

So we tell our allies "lol fuck you fend for yourselves" and then only have any presence in Guam since it is all we have that far out there and watch as China becomes a Super power because without the US stepping in, other countries are unlikely to step in. You are literally saying "Let China take what ever they want"

 

[Sir 1000]

The media is losing power as it fractures through technology. So (part of) the media now more than ever is likely to report the truth, like the Daily Wire, the PostMillenial, individual youtube channels, etc. It very much is getting reported on.

The decentralization of power is the most important battle going on today, and it's one we are winning because it relies on technology not politics.

All of that only matters with enough numbers, numbers that will get these sites banned if they influence the narrative enough. You are far to optimistic tbh.

 

[LindyAF]

So we tell our allies "lol fuck you fend for yourselves" and then only have any presence in Guam since it is all we have that far out there and watch as China becomes a Super power because without the US stepping in, other countries are unlikely to step in. You are literally saying "Let China take what ever they want"

They aren't our allies, they're the DC parasite's. It isn't mine. It isn't ours. The globalist empire isn't something I or the heritage American nation have any stake in.

The US Empire has a presence in SK and Japan too, though, so what you're saying isn't even true.

 

[Zachowon]

They aren't our allies, they're the DC parasite's. It isn't mine. It isn't ours. The globalist empire isn't something I or the heritage American nation have any stake in.

The US Empire has a presence in SK and Japan too, though, so what you're saying isn't even true.

No, what I am saying is true.Just because we have a presence in SK and Japan doesn't mean we will uphold anything there if we let Taiwan get invaded. The trust of those countries will drop heavily, and perhaps they will even ask us to leaveif we aren't willing to back a country threatened by China....Japan definitely will rethink about our alliance..

the US losing the super power status is a thing you don't want to happen

 

[Jormungandr]

Let's see, should we (american plebeians) be canon fodder in an incredibly bloody war against a technological and military peer power, when we know from the last few wars, veterans will be completely screwed over, for the same corporatist system which created the enemy at our own expense, specifically quite literally ours (those were our manufacturing jobs before they got offshored for cheaper slave labor) in the first place, and risk nuclear war and the annihilation of human civilization... ...or we could not do that?

Sorry, I had to laugh at this.

China is not a peer power to the United States.

Economically? Yes, even though their influences are akin more to cancerous tendrils infiltrating the world than true business partnerships, but militarily? A big threat, yes, but they're a regional power with equipment and training that's second string.

They're decades behind still when it comes to what matters. Hell, they're only just producing their own carriers, which are still relatively obsolete in comparison to those fielded by modern day Russia, of all countries. Russia!

Hell, their J-25 fighter they're touting? Its engines were so shit they were begging the Russians for the same engines they use on their MiGs, and they were turned down flat (Russia knew they'd basically just steal the plans, basically). It'd be a top-class fighter design... thirty years ago.

They're still using, albeit modernized as best they can, copied Soviet derivatives for most of their hardware.

They're not a peer power.

 

[Zachowon]

Sorry, I had to laugh at this.

China is not a peer power to the United States.

Economically? Yes, even though their influences are akin more to cancerous tendrils infiltrating the world than true business partnerships, but militarily? A big threat, yes, but they're a regional power with equipment and training that's second string.

They're decades behind still when it comes to what matters. Hell, they're only just producing their own carriers, which are still relatively obsolete in comparison to those fielded by modern day Russia, of all countries. Russia!

Hell, their J-25 fighter they're touting? Its engines were so shit they were begging the Russians for the same engines they use on their MiGs, and they were turned down flat (Russia knew they'd basically just steal the plans, basically). It'd be a top-class fighter design... thirty years ago.

They're still using, albeit modernized as best they can, copied Soviet derivatives for most of their hardware.

They're not a peer power.

They are peer militarily in other ways, not just physical

 

[Jormungandr]

They are peer militarily in other ways, not just physical

Well, can't exactly say their espionage and thievery tactics aren't behind the times.

 

[Zachowon]

Well, can't exactly say their espionage and thievery tactics aren't behind the times.

I am thinking Cyber an space are about the only thing Peer about it

 

[Jormungandr]

I am thinking Cyber an space are about the only thing Peer about it

Yeah. NASA budget cuts are getting more severe every year, despite the interest in space. Companies like Space X are filling the void, though.

 

[Zachowon]

Yeah. NASA budget cuts are getting more severe every year, despite the interest in space. Companies like Space X are filling the void, though.

Wrong kind of space, more like Space force and Air force type of stuff