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He does make a good point, 2% is a bit low considering the situation.
No? Italy, for one, has a decent military. So does every country from Madrid to Warsaw and Bucharest.
He didn't say it *has* to be "regular Joes".
Citizens are regular Joes. And when it says it "urges" its because they are already planning or its underway and they only waiting for the other EU "leaders" to agree, which lately and thankfully (to a degree) seems that nobody agrees on anything, so hopefully we don't get his budget increase ever. More likely it stays as it is, I doubt Trump can do much about it.
That's not the attitude to do politics with.
He does make a good point, 2% is a bit low considering the situation.
He didn't say it *has* to be "regular Joes".
I for one can think of many things "we" could sacrifice.
We could sacrifice some net zero goals (Rutte himself to his credit hinted at that, accidentally or not, and Greta will be pissed, but that's a sacrifice i'm incredibly willing to make). We could sacrifice Abdul's refugee benefits (that is part of social security spending he mentioned, and if Abdul gets rowdy about it we could sacrifice Abdul too, Ukraine needs people to dig trenches after all). We could also sacrifice the funding for NGOs that brought Abdul to Europe. We could sacrifice paying farmers not to farm. We could even sacrifice the DEI propaganda budget!
You do very well they won't do that yet at best and the budget is more than optimal as it (if not already TOO much). And you talk like I support that bullcrap, which I never did. And it won't be Abdul refugee benefits that get thrown in the trashcan, they will still prioritize that bullshit.

So Rutte can get still fucked. For this and all the bullshit he did while he governed the Netherlands. I won't help a demagogue who discriminated on national television against my compatriots for an election.
By the time i'm done sacrificing we might be well over 3% defence spending. Damn, i should be the sacrificer general. I would do so much sacrificing...
Yeah, no, I think all of Poland has done too many sacrifices and shouldn't do anymore, just like the rest of Europe.
 
No? Italy, for one, has a decent military. So does every country from Madrid to Warsaw and Bucharest.
Wrong. Underfunded most of them are. Badly. If you don't know and don't care, whatever, but if you don't know, don't pretend you do.
Citizens are regular Joes. And when it says it "urges" its because they are already planning or its underway and they only waiting for the other EU "leaders" to agree, which lately and thankfully (to a degree) seems that nobody agrees on anything, so hopefully we don't get his budget increase ever. More likely it stays as it is, I doubt Trump can do much about it.
Leftists with their dumb pet peeves are citizens too...
You do very well they won't do that yet at best and the budget is more than optimal as it (if not already TOO much). And you talk like I support that bullcrap, which I never did. And it won't be Abdul refugee benefits that get thrown in the trashcan, they will still prioritize that bullshit.

So Rutte can get still fucked. For this and all the bullshit he did while he governed the Netherlands. I won't help a demagogue who discriminated on national television against my compatriots for an election.
I don't care about who brings the message, in this case the message is correct.
And so are my priorities, don't care about what theirs may or may not be.
Yeah, no, I think all of Poland has done too many sacrifices and shouldn't do anymore, just like the rest of Europe.
Go sacrifice yourself to life under Russian "sphere of influence" then. Better yet, take that attitude with yourself, you will have so much fun there with it.
 
No? Italy, for one, has a decent military. So does every country from Madrid to Warsaw and Bucharest.

Citizens are regular Joes. And when it says it "urges" its because they are already planning or its underway and they only waiting for the other EU "leaders" to agree, which lately and thankfully (to a degree) seems that nobody agrees on anything, so hopefully we don't get his budget increase ever. More likely it stays as it is, I doubt Trump can do much about it.

You do very well they won't do that yet at best and the budget is more than optimal as it (if not already TOO much). And you talk like I support that bullcrap, which I never did. And it won't be Abdul refugee benefits that get thrown in the trashcan, they will still prioritize that bullshit.

So Rutte can get still fucked. For this and all the bullshit he did while he governed the Netherlands. I won't help a demagogue who discriminated on national television against my compatriots for an election.

Yeah, no, I think all of Poland has done too many sacrifices and shouldn't do anymore, just like the rest of Europe.
Go move to Russia and then tell the eastern Europeans here how it us better they should rather be under them
 
Wrong. Underfunded most of them are. Badly. If you don't know and don't care, whatever, but if you don't know, don't pretend you do.
Italy's leaders have been sounding alarms for anything since forever and were right 1 out the 10 time. They lied for the past 29 years so I have no inclinations to believe them now.
Italy's military as it stands is more than enough to defend against existing threats (the only one being Lybia) because we are friendly to all of our neighbors, it can defend its borders if allowed to ( and Rutte doesn't, he is the kind of person who wants migrants in Italy and invites them but then doesn't take responsability) and policing when necessary.
Crossetto, our current defense Minister, has conflict of interests so he has all the wrong reasons to say that, because more soldiers it means more expenses with contracts his friends will benefit, not the average Italian. So he can be taken as a snake's oil salesman as Donald Tusk.
Leftists with their dumb pet peeves are citizens too...
It's not only leftists...plenty of people are on the brink of poverty and that is one of the reasons why we told Draghi to get screwed last election.
I don't care about who brings the message, in this case the message is correct.
That is a matter of perspective. If you think that Poland needs to so, you and your countrymen can vote someone who might do that. But Italy is under no obligation to do so if we don't want to.
Go sacrifice yourself to life under Russian "sphere of influence" then. Better yet, take that attitude with yourself, you will have so much fun there with it.
That has nothing to do with what I said and we are in no danger or ever were of being under Russian sphere of influence for that matter.
If you want to sacrifice your money, sweat and time for taxes that will not benefit you in any shape form, go ahead.
But I can I assure, no one West or South of Poland wants to sacrifice more money because of paranoia.
 
Italy's leaders have been sounding alarms for anything since forever and were right 1 out the 10 time. They lied for the past 29 years so I have no inclinations to believe them now.
Italy's military as it stands is more than enough to defend against existing threats (the only one being Lybia) because we are friendly to all of our neighbors, it can defend its borders if allowed to ( and Rutte doesn't, he is the kind of person who wants migrants in Italy and invites them but then doesn't take responsability) and policing when necessary.
Crossetto, our current defense Minister, has conflict of interests so he has all the wrong reasons to say that, because more soldiers it means more expenses with contracts his friends will benefit, not the average Italian. So he can be taken as a snake's oil salesman as Donald Tusk.
>borders
Funny how you missed the maritime zone dispute with Algeria.
Also Italy has only 1.6% GDP military spending, which is not even meeting the bare minimum 2% NATO established, so he is certainly right, there are no miracles that allow Italy to have "more than enough" military at that rate, when 2% is what is a generally accepted yardstick for "barely enough in long term".
It's not only leftists...plenty of people are on the brink of poverty and that is one of the reasons why we told Draghi to get screwed last election.
That's why we should sacrifice leftist's pet peeves towards something useful for a change.
That is a matter of perspective. If you think that Poland needs to so, you and your countrymen can vote someone who might do that. But Italy is under no obligation to do so if we don't want to.
If you look at Poland's current military spending, you know our answer to that, and it survived both a center-right and center-left administration.
If Italy doesn't like having obligations to NATO and EU, well, unlike Russia led organizations, membership in those is never forced.
That has nothing to do with what I said and we are in no danger or ever were of being under Russian sphere of influence for that matter.
If you want to sacrifice your money, sweat and time for taxes that will not benefit you in any shape form, go ahead.
But I can I assure, no one West or South of Poland wants to sacrifice more money because of paranoia.
You said "No? Italy, for one, has a decent military. So does every country from Madrid to Warsaw and Bucharest. "
That's plain bullshit, of the kind i would wish to push on my worst enemies. I really mean it.
Why can't the likes of you spread such sentiments about not needing to sacrifice money because of paranoia that will not benefit them among the populations of North Korea, Russia, Iran etc?
It would be useful for once, and i would fully approve. If there would be constant riots over too much military spending in Moscow and Beijing, a lot of people on "our" side would be happy with that.
 

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Funny how you missed the maritime zone dispute with Algeria.
Algeria, unlike Lybia, has a functioning government and there is a possibility of a diplomatic solution. Libya has two "factions" at best, if not three.
Also Italy has only 1.6% GDP military spending, which is not even meeting the bare minimum 2% NATO established, so he is certainly right, there are no miracles that allow Italy to have "more than enough" military at that rate, when 2% is what is a generally accepted yardstick for "barely enough in long term".
We have other priorities. Military spending isn't one of them.
That's why we should sacrifice leftist's pet peeves towards something useful for a change.
I didn't say that we should keep those, but certainly adding other expenses before those are removed would be unwise at best if not detrimental at worst.
You said "No? Italy, for one, has a decent military. So does every country from Madrid to Warsaw and Bucharest. "
Yes, they have, proportionate to the territory, every country has. Not to mention no one will sacrifice their time, mental health and job prospects for governments that prioritize bullshit pet peeves over them. There is no incentive for any European to work with our respective militaries for self-serving or foreign-interests-serving governments especially when there are no outside state threats.
That's plain bullshit, of the kind i would wish to push on my worst enemies. I really mean it.
Why can't the likes of you spread such sentiments about not needing to sacrifice money because of paranoia that will not benefit them among the populations of North Korea, Russia, Iran etc?
Because they are not the ones making or wanting to make my government spending on shit that we are already have and can't even use for immigration security, so what would be the point of us spending money that we don't have or barely have when there are no security threats barring Libya's migrant ships ? North Korea can't influence Italy in any shape or form, Iran the same, Russia there are thousands of Italians still living, travelling and working in and between Russia, and the best the Russian government can sway us is convincing other Italians to try their vodka or whatever product they have.
 
Algeria, unlike Lybia, has a functioning government and there is a possibility of a diplomatic solution. Libya has two "factions" at best, if not three.
Hopium. "Functioning government" means that is has more means to push back if it does not agree on a diplomatic solution.
We have other priorities. Military spending isn't one of them.

I didn't say that we should keep those, but certainly adding other expenses before those are removed would be unwise at best if not detrimental at worst.
Then your priorities are wrong, not much more to say here.
Yes, they have, proportionate to the territory, every country has.
That's a shockingly ridiculous way to decide what military a country needs, but it explains your opinion on it - you have absolutely no clue on the matter and are quite proud of that ignorance.
Deciding it by throwing chicken entrails at the wall would be just as reasonable.
Not to mention no one will sacrifice their time, mental health and job prospects for governments that prioritize bullshit pet peeves over them. There is no incentive for any European to work with our respective militaries for self-serving or foreign-interests-serving governments especially when there are no outside state threats.
"there are no outside state threats"
Go tell those stories to said state "non-threats" like Iran, Russia or China, if for some strange reasons they will be retarded enough to believe you (i'm not, and they are not) and act on it, you may actually make this true for us. But no one except western leftists is retarded enough unfortunately.
Because they are not the ones making or wanting to make my government spending on shit that we are already have and can't even use for immigration security, so what would be the point of us spending money that we don't have or barely have when there are no security threats barring Libya's migrant ships ?
Who says you can't? Not NATO...
Poland and Turkey are in NATO too yet they can do a whole lot of things that "human rights activists" don't like migrant wise.
Hint, it's the same people who say you should spend even more on leftist pet peeves.
North Korea can't influence Italy in any shape or form, Iran the same, Russia there are thousands of Italians still living, travelling and working in and between Russia, and the best the Russian government can sway us is convincing other Italians to try their vodka or whatever product they have.
Ok, don't come crying to me when there's drug trade, shia jihadi activity or corruption in energy sector in Italy then, after all Russia and Iran can't possibly do anything bad in Italy, so i'll assume you think those are just fine.
 
Hopium. "Functioning government" means that is has more means to push back if it does not agree on a diplomatic solution.
We had good diplomatic relations with them even before their independence so that's unlikely to happen.
Then your priorities are wrong, not much more to say here.
To you maybe, not to the majority of Italians. There is no sense of investing into the military when our public health services and education are in shambles and we live pay check to pay check thanks to the last 35 years of bad government and privatization.
That's a shockingly ridiculous way to decide what military a country needs, but it explains your opinion on it - you have absolutely no clue on the matter and are quite proud of that ignorance.
I am not deciding, I am affirming, that so far, they are proportionate to the countries'needs.
"there are no outside state threats"
Yes, there aren't except the globalists in the government and the wokes in the opposition. To the north we have Austria and Switzerland (perpetually neutral), to the east Slovenia and Croatia (friendly nation), to the West we have the incompetent France who can't even block a trade agreement nowadays and to which we have cordial relations, then to the South we have Malta, which we have cordial relations since 1945 and the rest is the Mediterranean water.
Ok, don't come crying to me when there's drug trade, shia jihadi activity
There is no Shia Jihadi activity, it's all Sunni Muslims Jihadi and not that are too busy competing each other in the drug trade in collaboration with the local mafia, the Albanian Mafia (which is either Sunni OR Christian) the Nigerian gangs and others. None of them are Shia so far. All coming from Western-backed or friendly countries from Morocco to Egypt.
or corruption in energy sector in Italy then
How that has to do with anything?
, after all Russia and Iran can't possibly do anything bad in Italy,
That's a correct statement, because none of them have the logistics or clout or political power to do that. All of the current political parties, both government and opposition, are explicitly pro-NATO. Russia has no use for a US-aligned Italy and Iran hasn't been a threat to Italy since the Roman-Persian war of 444 AD.
Who says you can't? Not NATO...
Every time we tried it was a NATO country it opposed. So it is NATO.
Turkey are in NATO
Turkey is the reason why there has been a migrant crisis since 2014.
 
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To you maybe, not to the majority of Italians. There is no sense of investing into the military when our public health services and education are in shambles and we live pay check to pay check thanks to the last 35 years of bad government and privatization.
>privatization
>government
Ah, so generic whining of socialists as common literally everywhere in the world. Disregard.
Point me to one not oil rich country where things are not heavily privatized yet people don't "live paycheck to paycheck".
I am not deciding, I am affirming, that so far, they are proportionate to the countries'needs.
You are affirming your own total ignorance then, congratulations, be fucking proud.
Yes, there aren't except the globalists in the government and the wokes in the opposition. To the north we have Austria and Switzerland (perpetually neutral), to the east Slovenia and Croatia (friendly nation), to the West we have the incompetent France who can't even block a trade agreement nowadays and to which we have cordial relations, then to the South we have Malta, which we have cordial relations since 1945 and the rest is the Mediterranean water.
You are a Mediterranean basin country, half the countries sharing that sea are total shitholes full of islamists, or may turn into them any decade now. Have you missed how your own bloody navy is in combat because some islamic pirates are blocking european commerce across Suez?
They (Iranian proxy btw) have attacked your civilian ships even:
But you justify holding all sorts of ridiculous beliefs about the world if you insist on not knowing such things and then claiming they don't happen.
There is no Shia Jihadi activity, it's all Sunni Muslims Jihadi and not that are too busy competing each other in the drug trade in collaboration with the local mafia, the Albanian Mafia (which is either Sunni OR Christian) the Nigerian gangs and others. None of them are Shia so far. All coming from Western-backed or friendly countries from Morocco to Egypt.
Sure, again, better to just not know anything, because not knowing things suits your politics, and then claim there is nothing.
How that has to do with anything?
Russia did it to Germany on grand scale, so never say never, there certainly is no lack of long term interest.

That's a correct statement, because none of them have the logistics or clout or political power to do that. All of the current political parties, both government and opposition, are explicitly pro-NATO. Russia has no use for a US-aligned Italy and Iran hasn't been a threat to Italy since the Roman-Persian war of 444 AD.
As if that stopped Russia from making moves on Germany of all places.
And don't bullshit me, you should know better by now:
Though if Italy is as pro-USA and pro-NATO as you claim, it should be perfectly happy with following NATO defense spending recommendations and Trump's demands for them to be met :cool:
Every time we tried it was a NATO country it opposed. So it is NATO.
By that logic it was a UNESCO country every time, so it was UNESCO :D.
I can make retarded troll theories too, see?
If you want to point fingers at organizations it was UN and EU, specifically all the usual muh human rights whiners in Brussels.
Ah, yes, the famous NATO institution, ECHR.
Still, your own courts are even worse.
Turkey is the reason why there has been a migrant crisis since 2014.
Most of migrants coming to Italy don't even go through Turkey lol, and if they do they have to go through Greece first, which they should not be allowed to.
Wokes in Brussels are the only reason why the situation is a crisis at all, if you expect Turks fight them to do your border enforcement for you, good luck, guess you really are short of reasons to be mad at Turks to need such far reaching excuses.
Come on, no one will do that for you if push comes to shove (many countries in all parts of the world tried to outsource it and it's always a mess), and if Greece won't do it then certainly not Turks either.
 
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>privatization
>government
Ah, so generic whining of socialists as common literally everywhere in the world. Disregard.
Point me to one not oil rich country where things are not heavily privatized yet people don't "live paycheck to paycheck".
Even non-socialists can be against government and privatization. We are also not an oil-rich country. And those governments were both conservative and socialist. So It's not generic whining.
You are a Mediterranean basin country, half the countries sharing that sea are total shitholes full of islamists, or may turn into them any decade now. Have you missed how your own bloody navy is in combat because some islamic pirates are blocking european commerce across Suez?
Morocco has a monarchy, Algeria is an authoritarian leftist republic since independence, Tunisia is a democratic country with elections so far, Libya has Islamists because of NATO intervention, Egypt has an anti-Islamist dictator much like Assad, Syria now is a pro-Israel and pro-NATO country
Sure, again, better to just not know anything, because not knowing things suits your politics, and then claim there is nothing.
Anonymous sources in both of them, with vague affirmations in each article, do not constitute.
Russia did it to Germany on grand scale, so never say never, there certainly is no lack of long term interest.
That would be an ideal deal, but of course because of Italian corruption it didn't went through in the first place.
As if that stopped Russia from making moves on Germany of all places.
And don't bullshit me, you should know better by now:
All of the current government parties are in power with the blessing of NATO, US elite and EU elite. Same as Donald Tusk in Poland. Otherwise the government wouldn't have lasted a day. And it didn't start with Russian money our "corruption". As if Poland didn't accept bribes in governments both left or right.
Though if Italy is as pro-USA and pro-NATO as you claim, it should be perfectly happy with following NATO defense spending recommendations and Trump's demands for them to be met :cool:
Our money is better spent elsewhere. Education, health and internal security. Not to mention that the whole scheme of 3% spending is a blackmailing scam at best, because that money won't be returned into Italian pockets (and if it is, only with Crossetto and his buddies) and only IF we spend on NATO weapons and we have to give money regardless. 3% might be a reasonable price for countries like Norway, Sweden, Germany, UK but not for countries like Spain, Portugal, Italy, Bulgaria, Greece and others, were there are OTHER expenditures already take a toll on everyone
Most of migrants coming to Italy don't even go through Turkey lol, and if they do they have to go through Greece first, which they should not be allowed to.
Guess who allows them to go to Greece? Syrians showed up in Italian shores as well and they were certainly helped by a fellow NATO partner, where they get or got fake passports.


Which is, Turkey.
if you expect Turks fight them to do your border enforcement for you, good luck, guess you really are short of reasons to be mad at Turks to need such far reaching excuses.
I expect Turkey's political elite not be Islamist bastards that want to have a new Ottoman empire through migration.
 

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