Doomsought
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The political class still suffers from the collective trauma they got from WWI.
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Couldn't find what I'm looking for, but the Sinaloa killed a bunch of Mexican national guard troops in thier barracks firing the attempted arrest of the sinaloa cartels leaders son.
And...that wouldn't work because you dint understand how the cartels work.
For one, the president of Mexico is in thier pocket and will always be.
For two, the cartels would go into a firefight. Which they have numerous times, and win against the Mexican military numerous times.
But you obviously don't pay attention to the issues going on in Mexico with the cartels
SoliFortissimi
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Did I stutter?
You are an idiot then.
The cartels are a bigger threat to the American people then Damm near anything else
SoliFortissimi
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I am an idiot for thinking that we should just destroy the ones intruding on American soil, and leave Mexico to deal with their own problems?
End the war on drugs, replace the black market with a legalized and regulated drug market that you at least have some control over and remove their primary source of wealth.
There are no perfect solutions for america's drug crisis, prohibition of drugs over the last 100 years has been a disaster. Some times you just have a crappy situation and you have to try to find the least worst option possible.
SoliFortissimi
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And you realize that will lead to a worse crisis than we have right now? That Oregon tried it, and it failed horribly? That it will waste billions in tax dollars without actually decreasing drug use?
Money does not grow on trees.
Bigking321
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Didn't Portland try that and it was a absolutely horrific failure?
I don't think there are any good options.
We just try to find the least crappy solution we can. Prohibition has been tried for a 100 years now and people are able to get crack into prison it clearly is not working.
And it will never stop, because they will always get into our country. Money and threats. They have legal immigrants that work fir them on the US, which means we can't do as thorough as we could in Mexico because laws.
And Mexico borders us, and they will always find ways to bypass our secrutiy
They will just get drugs cheaper, and that is also a horrible idea
It would actively make things worse, because the legal stuff won't be cheap
Who sells more booze in the united states?
The legal and regulated breweries or the moonshiners?
SoliFortissimi
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That's defeatism. Just crush the drug trade, regardless of what the junkies want. There are only so many junkies and drug traders, and there is a point at which potential drug money just isn't worth a painful death or life in solitary.
Wrong. The Cartels are known to be scared of the US and fold whenever it looks like the DEA is serious about attacking them.
Just make them fear the police, the DEA, and the United States of America in general.
We have litterally been trying to do that for over a 100 years now.
There comes a point where you have to cut your loses.
Drugs are bad, not because they're illegal, but because they're addictive and a common coping mechanism for poor/retarded/insane people.
You can have the most regulated legal market, but that syringe of heroin is going to make a person crack another person's skull open to get crack-money anyways.
We honestly aren't harsh enough on drugs/drug-addiction as-is.
Go on public transport here and there's a 1/2 chance some insane crack/meth addict is onboard spouting utter nonsense. In an ideal world there'd be regular sweeps in these areas to lock them away for good.
You can have the most regulated legal market, but that syringe of heroin is going to make a person crack another person's skull open to get crack-money anyways.
We honestly aren't harsh enough on drugs/drug-addiction as-is.
Go on public transport here and there's a 1/2 chance some insane crack/meth addict is onboard spouting utter nonsense. In an ideal world there'd be regular sweeps in these areas to lock them away for good.
SoliFortissimi
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"100 years"? Bruh, we haven't even tried it for 10.
Even the War on Drugs was just a stupid attempt by Nixon to break up his enemies.
ummm..no. What they do is get out of the way b/c they know that the DEA won't pursue for any real length of time beyond the short term, and eventually someone else is put in charge who a) just redirects that effort b/c 'mission achieved', b) decides they have something more important to do, c) are paid for by the cartels, or d) is just an idiot.
The only way you make this shit go away is make it less profitable...best way is kill all the leadership and work your way down, like Israel is doing with Hamas, and make sure they can't spend any of that blood money.
The GOP will never end the 'War on drugs', because most of them have swallowed the same Reefer Madness propaganda as their parents, despite it being built on lies of Anslinger and Hearst.
The same man that lied about why the Maine blew up, is one of the people who pushed the initial stages of bans on cannabis, from which all other 'war on drugs' policies were derived.
Then there is the fact the DoD has legal meth-like products for soldier stims, but never is open with the US public about it, and sometimes the DoD looks the other way on troops using literal meth or coke to keep them functional in some situations (happened in Iraq, from vet stories I heard, likely happened/happens elsewhere).
As well, the fact is every time the DEA catches a big cartel fish, they almost always turn out to be a CIA asset in the end.
Because the fact is, Mexico is a proxy war with both the CPP and Iranian assets, with different cartels answering/operating as proxies of different nations, and the money from 'our' cartels ends up in CIA slush funds many times.
Yeah people often forget the US military does drugs all the time. Not surprising as drugs go WAYYYYY back in the military industry.
We have yet to see how effective and how long this strategy works with Israel. Though the tactics could work better because gangsters tend to be "money-based" and not "faith-based" or "resistance-mentality based" and don't have the reasoning to yield only when everyone drops dead, the reason why Hamas and Hezbollah have been going for decades it is that they go "not one step back" and no amount of losses is ever enough.
Gangsters tend to be about profit and survival...you can't have either if you five meters under or (best case scenario) in a prison or coma.
There's the El Salvador route : the TLDR is that they arrested as many they could ALL at once and even have arrested (intentionally and unintentionally) people that were tangentially affiliated or related to them and when they are in prison they mixed the gangs into the cells. You can't have a gang if each member is in a different block with a rival gang member.
Cannabis, legal or not, has little to do with how the cartels butter their bread.
Well if you don't read, then it is not "open with the US public". I'm not even US public yet i'm aware. Somehow.
My secret?
I have access to such dark corners of the internet where all secrets of US military get leaked as wikipedia and NBC.
Their secret? Those drugs aren't being just given to troops to pop like candy, have fun, perhaps combine with booze and worse drugs on parties. 90% of the trick to functionality with such drug use is limits and supervision.
Unfortunately, that's about the opposite of the way a very large segment of the people who actually want to use them would, which makes the dreams of pro-legalization side rather unpractical on large scale.
To work, it would have to contain provisions that would except the exact kind of people who want to regularly use drugs for purely recreative purposes, who in turn are the very people shouting about it the loudest.
And? The covert war is a compromise alternative for overt war.