So, what does this tech change? How does it make it worse than, say, le evil dictatorship just deciding to give police some old tanks when they need to execute the mass purge?I'm also concerned about those? Did you think I wasn't or something? The more we militarize police, the more we just let them have tools like this, the more concerned I get. I have stated in other threads that this is my position on the topic. It's not the gotcha you seem to believe it is.
Self driving AI barely works on a good day when driving on a well mapped, marked and orderly road.There's just so many different pieces to this that weren't close to working yet before that are much closer now. Self-driving AI wasn't ready yet back when the first tracked robots with guns were made. It is much much closer now.
Try it offroad.
And then try it in an active combat zone.
The data stuff is plenty useful enough even with exactly zero drones.Decision making AI linked to facial recognition (and other types of A/V identity resolution) weren't ready yet. It's much MUCH closer now. Large-scale cellular networking wasn't ready back then. It's here- right now- with 5G cell towers and repeaters going up everywhere. Networked and searchable CCTV surveillance wasn't ready back then. It's been ready since the 2000s (needed cheap mass storage and good computer vision AI). Sentiment analysis back then relied on labor intensive polling and (you guessed it) weren't ready yet. It has been since the 2010s with mass scraping of social media that then gets run through NLP-based AI (I actually worked on this problem for a previous job).
And it still has its own costs and weaknesses limiting it.
Sure, algorithm based AI can nicely make statistics about, say, opinion trends on few major websites. But we all know that, for example, political opinions in voter base are not directly matched in proportion to those of internet users, and even if they did, the users if different camps would not post at exactly the same rates.
Blindspots like this are bad enough when they happen in marketing and can kill companies, imagine having them in grand politics, revolutions and wars.
What makes remote control armored vehicles so fundamentally different from normal ones?All of this is applicable to these quadrupeds as much as the tracked version of these robots.
Basically, I'm really unsure why you think this is a gotcha. It isn't. It's just another example on the great, big pile of shit.
If the bad guys have people willing to press the button and smear civilians over the neighborhood with high explosives, it doesn't make a huge difference whether they sit inside or 1000km away. Just like it makes no fundamental difference if some terrorist compound in third world was hit by a JDAM dropped by a piloted F-15 or a JDAM dropped by a Predator with the pilot sitting in Arizona.
If we are so concerned about "domestic operations", they are in no fundamental way worse than some of what was bleeding edge technology during WW2.You don't have to be a luddite to be concerned about AI and combat drones increasing prevalence in warfare, and their possibilities for domestic operations/LEO use/abuse.
Threat to who? To what? Compared to what? Sure, if you can get a loyal enough to le evil dictatorship police force, they don't need fancy hi tech to do a Cambodia, they didn't have that in Cambodia yet they did what they did.You and @Zachowon are being real disingenious about this, by saying that 'because it's not a threat now, you shouldn't worry about it's implications for the future', which is what pretty much everyone else is saying.
Nah. Read up about what's going on with drones in Ukraine, what their loss rate is and why.And the issue is, by the time drones have hit the levels we are worrying about, it's to late for anything but a Carrington event scale EMP to stop/reverse.
Turns out that actual toys from alibaba are a huge part of modern warfare (while requiring skilled operators), while on the ground, robots are curiously absent, despite both sides having access to them.
Of course toys from alibaba do not get concernposted because there is nothing mysteriously scary about them, you can get one yourself for less than a decent gaming PC.
>emerging capabilitiesThis frankly reads as trying to keep the public from being concerned about the emerging abilities militaries and LEOs would really prefer the public to not worry about, because it makes them easy to use against them/your foreign enemies if the general public aren't concerned about and trying to restrict escalating drone capabilities as they relate to domestic abuses by governments.
That armies had in late Cold War. Not very emerging i think.
Being "concerned" about militarization of police is something that should be more related to their command and control rather than equipment. As i said, it doesn't take killbots to do a Cambodia, Soviet Union or North Korea, with the right people, plain firearms are enough.
And without right people, well, that will take right AGI. Which is still far away, and once its not, that will be able to fuck someone up in way more insidious ways than drones.
>if LEO's or even just criminal gangs get a hold of themEdit: Also, frankly, all one has to do is look at all the wide variety and diversity of drone operations in regard to Russia's invasion of Ukraine and their implications for a good idea why the average joe may become increasingly aware of exactly how many ways drones can be used to both surveil and attack targets, as well as the sorts of things needed to even have a chance of combat said drones with domestic abilities if LEO's or even just criminal gangs get a hold of them.
Duuuuuuuuuuuuuude, both use them since many years.
As i said, you can go to a drone store website and buy some of the exact models used in Ukraine.
Yup. They are also one of ways criminals smuggle contraband into prisons since quite a long time.Fuck, drones have found use in the fucking cartel shit around the US/Mexico border already, so it's already an active domestic issue.
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