Doomsought
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There is nothing anyone can do about it, because the stigma exists for good reason. Crazy people are dangerous to themselves and others, thus we instinctively avoid them.
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TheRejectionist
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here's a video that, despite being Iberoamerican and Italian, still makes want to just not go with women beyond friendly politeness at the moment.
At this point I am so numb from people being liars and insincere that I bet over 50% of what those women are saying is complete bullshit and they just want to get attention.
But even my cynical ass leaves 50% of that nonsense to be true, when none of it should be true!
That's incredibly short-sighted and I honestly thought better of you. That also means you should avoid me, as I have OCD and anxiety due to physical health issues that have plagued me since I was 17.
Goodbye, don't let the door hit you on the arse on the way out, because I don't want an arseprint on my door.
Like myself, I'm talking about the people struggling with issues such as clinical depression, OCD, anxiety, bipolarism, postnatal depression, eating disorders, schizophrenia, et cetera -- mental health comes under a massive umbrella. Everyone has the right to seek out help for themselves to better their lives, be it through therapy or medication or another route.
And, yes, before anyone inevitably jumps that hurdle, I include the genuine (read: genuine) sufferers of gender dysphoria out there -- the 0.00001% of the total global population, if that, whose drugs, treatments, and therapies are being abused by anyone and everyone calling themselves "transgender" (read: "trans-trender") these days, as well as the medical industry enabling these poor and deluded sods for the almighty dollar.
But people suffering from a mental health issue are essentially spat on for being "diseased", told to "suck it up" (which we do because of stigma), or "what narcotics are you on?" until something tragic happens that could have and should have been avoided. Like any other health issue, there is help available, but we're pressured not to seek it because "oh, you're just feeling sad" and "ew, don't bother us, you freak!".
Not everyone suffering from a mental health issue is a predatory weirdo in a dress wanting to groom or fuck kids, and not everyone uses their mental health issue as an excuse to power trip or claim dominance over another person.
We're just people who could and should lead better, healthier lives if we get help in some form or another and stick to that help.
Fucking shame on you. You're part of the problem.
Doomsought
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No. The problem is the disease.
That you have it is a tragedy, but the stigma exists because the disease has impacts on the people around you. If it did not, if people could not notice, then thee stigma would not exist.
No amount of euphemisms or propaganda can change the fact of the impact that mental ilness has on a community. The only two things that can be done is to treat the illness until it is gone or the impact is minimized, and to take pity on the people who cannot escape their illness.
Mental health is an increasingly dangerous epidemic for countless reasons and both those with and without mental health issues are at risk because of it.
Some people are truly beyond repair but it would be cruel and inhumane not to help those with mental health issues if they are willing to accept such help. Some people probably brought such issues upon themselves, but a whole lot of them had nothing to do with it, they're victims at the end of the day.
Some people are truly beyond repair but it would be cruel and inhumane not to help those with mental health issues if they are willing to accept such help. Some people probably brought such issues upon themselves, but a whole lot of them had nothing to do with it, they're victims at the end of the day.
KilroywasNOTHere
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So how long before we start justifying murder abortion and eugenics in the name of saving society from mental illness?
We've been there already. Canada is there now.
Nothing @Doomsought has written tells me he's advocating that behavior at all.
KilroywasNOTHere
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How do you help those that" can't escape their illness though." Being locked in a cage is not living, you're just killing them slowly and discreetly (like life in prison)
. society won't seek better treatment options because of said stigma that he says is completely justified. If you won't treat them then what is the alternative?
Doomsought
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It is better than the alternative, either homeless or worse attacking people. Being locked in a cage is far better than half starved, infested with parasites, and infected with blood born diseases from needle sharing.
And make no mistake about it, most homeless are that way because they are so mentally ill that they cannot maintain a home. If you try to just give them a home, they will destroy it. Mental instatutions are the only way these people can get access to both psychological treatment and housign that they cannot destroy.
If a person's mental illness is demonstrably threatening to the rest of society there is cause for keeping them in a mental illness facility.
No one here, that I've seen, is saying we shouldn't attempt to treat the mentally ill. We need to move society towards that approach instead of just putting ALL of them into an asylum and ignoring them.
Facilities need to have the treatment as the main approach not just isolating them amongst their madness.
No one here, that I've seen, is saying we shouldn't attempt to treat the mentally ill. We need to move society towards that approach instead of just putting ALL of them into an asylum and ignoring them.
Facilities need to have the treatment as the main approach not just isolating them amongst their madness.
KilroywasNOTHere
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I agree but I'll believe that when I see it.
The problem is trusting psychologists and psychiatrists to commit people who are actually mentally sick and not just people with differing opinions.
In Florida the Baker Act has been used against teenagers with dissident voices for decades. id rather not revivie state run asylums and have the future longterm liberty of my kids be determined by some obese lesbian with hairdye who believes her duty is to re-educate.
KilroywasNOTHere
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Doomsought
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I'd put a homeless or criminally insane requirement for institutionalization. Those are the two groups who really need it.
Let's remember something
The medical science of mental health is no more sophisticated now than it was during the bronze age when Wassej the healer would have two big Nubians hold you down while he drilled a hole into your head to release the malevolent spirits.
It's modern day witchcraft, run by the descendants of obese medicine women and mushroom ODing shamans.
It's a crock.of shit that at best uses modern variants of the same brain boiling elixirs to mollify the howlers.
Only instead of spirits and pregnancies in the brain it's neurochemical imbalances that we do not allow actual neurosurgeons and other legitimate medical fields to combat because we needed to accommodate for our mediums, archwitches and medicine men in a changing world.
Psychology and psychiatry will always be bullshit because they aren't scientific fields they're social fields. They're modern day higher mysteries.
Hence why the drugs they prescribe are about the same on average as the crack Reyes or Jabaris sling on the corner.
The medical science of mental health is no more sophisticated now than it was during the bronze age when Wassej the healer would have two big Nubians hold you down while he drilled a hole into your head to release the malevolent spirits.
It's modern day witchcraft, run by the descendants of obese medicine women and mushroom ODing shamans.
It's a crock.of shit that at best uses modern variants of the same brain boiling elixirs to mollify the howlers.
Only instead of spirits and pregnancies in the brain it's neurochemical imbalances that we do not allow actual neurosurgeons and other legitimate medical fields to combat because we needed to accommodate for our mediums, archwitches and medicine men in a changing world.
Psychology and psychiatry will always be bullshit because they aren't scientific fields they're social fields. They're modern day higher mysteries.
Hence why the drugs they prescribe are about the same on average as the crack Reyes or Jabaris sling on the corner.
KilroywasNOTHere
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I don't know if I go quite that far. anxiety medication has done wonders for my dad. And my councilor tends to treat my sessions more like an idealized catholic confessional (I think the man is Catholic now that I think about it) a discrete relaxed environment where you can bear your soul without fear of being externally judged or getting vicious rumors hurled against you. My experiences have been very good overall but it could be I got blessed and am an exception to the rule.
LordsFire
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As it always does, the problem comes back to rejection of the truth truth.
It is an essential truth, that if you have a mental disorder, the primary responsibility is on you to manage it. Instead, we live in an age where people try to treat having mental issues as justification for making society responsible for dealing with their problems, and then some.
It is a fundamental truth, that if someone around you has a mental disorder, you have a responsibility to make reasonable accommodation for that. Not all accommodations. Not no accommodations. Reasonable accommodations. If you're a family member, what is reasonable to expect of you increases.
It really is this simple. If these two basic factors could be respected, a huge amount of social chaos unleashed by Russeuan concepts of human nature and psychology would be all but eliminated. Not completely eliminated, because some people refuse to accept responsibilities that they should, and some people have mental issues so serious they should be institutionalized, but it'd drop off drastically.
Instead, in this time of victimhood as social currency, mental disorders are perversely desireable to some, and worse, become an identity.
It is an essential truth, that if you have a mental disorder, the primary responsibility is on you to manage it. Instead, we live in an age where people try to treat having mental issues as justification for making society responsible for dealing with their problems, and then some.
It is a fundamental truth, that if someone around you has a mental disorder, you have a responsibility to make reasonable accommodation for that. Not all accommodations. Not no accommodations. Reasonable accommodations. If you're a family member, what is reasonable to expect of you increases.
It really is this simple. If these two basic factors could be respected, a huge amount of social chaos unleashed by Russeuan concepts of human nature and psychology would be all but eliminated. Not completely eliminated, because some people refuse to accept responsibilities that they should, and some people have mental issues so serious they should be institutionalized, but it'd drop off drastically.
Instead, in this time of victimhood as social currency, mental disorders are perversely desireable to some, and worse, become an identity.
Begin? We barely moved away from it to begin with; state-organized involuntary eugenics was actively, openly practiced in the United States until the 1980s and remains explicitly Constitutional to this day. That's not even counting cases of "voluntary" sterilization without actual proper consent, with the most recent proven example being in California women's prisons, with documented cases of 148 female prisoners, mostly minority, being coerced into "voluntary" sterilization between 2006 and 2010.
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I'm convinced the early 20th century Progressive movement was possibly the second most toxic political movement in American history for all the long term crap it ended up engendering like these kinds of Eugenics programs.
(The obvious first most toxic political movement in American history was the Calhounians of the 1820s to 1860s whom in effect caused the Civil War.)
Wait... the Progressive era in American politics really got started in the 1920s... the Calhounians originated in the 1820s... and the Wokists appear to be the rising ideology of the 2020s... I'm wondering if there's some larger pattern here and also if we should just abolish the 20s of any given century?