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The Whispering Monk

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Wait... the Progressive era in American politics really got started in the 1920s... the Calhounians originated in the 1820s... and the Wokists appear to be the rising ideology of the 2020s... I'm wondering if there's some larger pattern here and also if we should just abolish the 20s of any given century?
The seed for the Calhounians was the Democratic party, which formed in large part because they wanted to make sure that Slavery just wasn't talked about at the national level so it could continue unabated.

Progressives in the 1920's actually began largely as a result of Woodrow Wilson and his policies.

And the Wokesters defintely did not begin in the 20's. They were begun in the 00's and formalized in the teens.

Really, each successive faction/blight-on-liberty has grown out of the one before it.
 

Blasterbot

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Bassoe

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I'd have preferred if Calus joined the Coalition and settled differences with his daughter than being an expendable pawn to the Witness TBH.
Calus is Gul Dukat all over again. Writers accidentally making a villain whom viewers agree with, then trying to 'fix' things by character assassinating them into a space!satanist. A hedonist who wanted nothing more than continued hedonism with everyone joining in, who who hated the thought of having civilization reshaped away from prioritizing the happiness of its people and was beloved by the citizenry of his empire since he gave them a better lot in life than the standard militarist leadership of the Praetorate was sympathetic.
Ghaul The Dominus said:
At last, the arch-traitor.

Let me tell you a story from the OXA Machine. Once upon a time, a small people lived on a dangerous world. By nature they were petty and fearful. But they strove to be better, and together they overcame their fear.

Unto these people came a king, who said, "We are surrounded by enemies, we are weak and frail. But I have an answer. Eat these larvae, my people, and with their strength we will rise up." Whenever anyone protested the king, the king said, "Are you working with our enemies? No? Then why are you afraid of our strength?"

Thus the king led the great people into slavery to their fear. Ghaul will do the same.

The Praetorate chose Ghaul to overthrow me, but they could not master him, for he had a fearsome strength. They tried to control him, to temper and delay his coup; now he drags them forward by their own reins. Anyone can be great, Ghaul says, if they work their hardest. But what he means is no one can be great, except in the way I approve. He says I was born to luxury and corruption; I say he was made only to fear and hate! Whose universe would you choose to live in, I ask you? Ghaul's miserable slog? Ghaul's age of closed fists? Or my world of plenty and delight? Do not mistake my joy for weakness, oh just one! I fight to make a haven in a bloody cosmos. Ghaul fights so that he can keep fighting forever.

He has refused the title Emperor, although some of his soldiers call him so. He says there will be no more emperors. I am the last emperor, the epitome of the true Cabal.

The Dominus must die.

To the one who kills Ghaul, I offer an audience before my throne.
An Invitation said:
In you I also seek the capacity for wonder and the appetite for greatness. When I took the throne, my people bled to feed a corrupt military elite. I chased those Praetorate scum from their dens of iniquity. I offered their stolen riches back to my Cabal! And I vowed to celebrate our existence in the highest luxury, to set an example for my empire - no privileged few, but decadence for all!

Friend, I was betrayed.

I could have forgiven the traitors, for I am an emperor of limitless cheer. I swear on my own silk and treasure that although my betrayers were as close to me as my own daughter, still I would have forgiven them - had they not also betrayed my people.

It was not enough for this vile council to overthrow me. These mendacious and murderous villains, these dear companions who I kept so long at my side: they gave my Cabal to brutal military rule. Now armored tyrants stain golden Torobatl with their dark designs. Ghaul is the epitome of their creed. An innocent orphan simmered in their poison hate. He will infect the whole Cabal with his emptiness - I have foreseen it! His life will be a quest to fill the hollow in his soul!
Lightfall Collector's Edition booklet said:
"CAN'T ANY OF YOU LIVE? AM I THE ONLY ONE HERE WHO'S NOT UTTERLY DERANGED? THE ONLY REASON WE DON'T ALL KILL OURSELVES IS THAT WE FEEL GOOD! THE ONLY REASON WE DO ANYTHING, ANYTHING AT ALL, EVEN BREATHING, IS THAT IT FEELS NICE! THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THE UNIVERSE HAS EVER FOUND TO MAKE EXISTENCE TOLERABLE! THE ONLY REASON TO EXIST IS THAT FICKLE LITTLE QUIVER OF REWARD THE BRAIN GIVES US FOR EATING, OR DRINKING, OR DANCING, OR WORKING, OR FREEING OUR PEOPLE FROM THE BEDAMNED PRAETORATE, OR LOVING OUR DAUGHTER! THAT'S ALL THAT'S WORTHWHILE IN LIFE! STIMULATION OF THE THREE PRIMARY VAGUS NERVES! AND IF OUR WHOLE PSYCHE WEREN'T BUILT ON THE NEED FOR THAT REWARD, WHAT WOULD WE BE? HIVE? VEX? NOTHING CABAL, I TELL YOU! NOTHING CABAL!”
So naturally the writers threw away everything about his characterization and gave him the very army of brainwashed slaves he'd railed against.
I would not put it past them to try and escalate Ukraine to try and salvage the situation.
The Ukrainian war has been a real mask-off moment for the oligarchy. Specifically, watching Ukraine forcibly enslaving fleeing citizenry to force them into a battlefield where statistically speaking, they'll be killed, to the enthusiastic approval of the entirety of status quo propaganda. They like this and the people doing it. They consider it exemplary and wish they could do it too. It's the only currently socially acceptable form of genocide.

The implications are obvious. Namely, the prospect of a "war" which is simply massive numbers of lower-class young men who've been rendered economically redundant by automation and globalization and whom changing societal norms have denied any chance of marriage and family being drafted and sent off to get shot by massive numbers of foreign lower-class young men in the same situation, letting the rulers of multiple nations who'd agreed on everything through backchannels before the war officially started team up to remove threats to themselves.
 
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ShadowArxxy

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I'm convinced the early 20th century Progressive movement was possibly the second most toxic political movement in American history for all the long term crap it ended up engendering like these kinds of Eugenics programs.
The American eugenics movement considerably predates the Progressive movement, though, having roots in antebellum racism.
 

Marduk

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The Ukrainian war has been a real mask-off moment for the oligarchy. Specifically, watching Ukraine forcibly enslaving fleeing citizenry to force them into a battlefield where statistically speaking, they'll be killed, to the enthusiastic approval of the entirety of status quo propaganda. They like this and the people doing it. They consider it exemplary and wish they could do it too. It's the only currently socially acceptable form of genocide.

The implications are obvious. Namely, the prospect of a "war" which is simply massive numbers of lower-class young men who've been rendered economically redundant by automation and globalization and whom changing societal norms have denied any chance of marriage and family being drafted and sent off to get shot by massive numbers of foreign lower-class young men in the same situation, letting the rulers of multiple nations who'd agreed on everything through backchannels before the war officially started team up to remove threats to themselves.
Oh sod off with the virtue signalling to "contrarians" trying to recruit right wingers to the pacifist cuck left.
How exactly is it different from conscription 100 or 200 years ago?
You could use this silly explanation to every war since Napoleon, even though automation was far from being invented at that point.

Imagine some major events in the world not revolving around your favorite political narrative...
 
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TheRejectionist

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Let's remember something

The medical science of mental health is no more sophisticated now than it was during the bronze age when Wassej the healer would have two big Nubians hold you down while he drilled a hole into your head to release the malevolent spirits.

It's modern day witchcraft, run by the descendants of obese medicine women and mushroom ODing shamans.

It's a crock.of shit that at best uses modern variants of the same brain boiling elixirs to mollify the howlers.

Only instead of spirits and pregnancies in the brain it's neurochemical imbalances that we do not allow actual neurosurgeons and other legitimate medical fields to combat because we needed to accommodate for our mediums, archwitches and medicine men in a changing world.

Psychology and psychiatry will always be bullshit because they aren't scientific fields they're social fields. They're modern day higher mysteries.

Hence why the drugs they prescribe are about the same on average as the crack Reyes or Jabaris sling on the corner.
Mental health is an increasingly dangerous epidemic for countless reasons and both those with and without mental health issues are at risk because of it.

Some people are truly beyond repair but it would be cruel and inhumane not to help those with mental health issues if they are willing to accept such help. Some people probably brought such issues upon themselves, but a whole lot of them had nothing to do with it, they're victims at the end of the day.

I have been helped by a psychologist and it has done wonders to my health. He is the father mine wasn't. I am still alive because of him and not full of meds.

He's also the indirect reason why I joined the sietch.

And speak proper English 9 out of 10 times.

But he is the first to admit that his collegues take their job as if they were priests and their theory books as bibles and they are politically motivated just as ANY org.
 

mrttao

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The problem is trusting psychologists and psychiatrists to commit people who are actually mentally sick and not just people with differing opinions.

In Florida the Baker Act has been used against teenagers with dissident voices for decades. id rather not revivie state run asylums and have the future longterm liberty of my kids be determined by some obese lesbian with hairdye who believes her duty is to re-educate.
France threw doctors who disagreed with the WHO covid narrative in mental asylum
 
Oh sod off with the virtue signalling to "contrarians" trying to recruit right wingers to the pacifist cuck left.
How exactly is it different from conscription 100 or 200 years ago?
You could use this silly explanation to every war since Napoleon, even though automation was far from being invented at that point.

Imagine some major events in the world not revolving around your favorite political narrative...

"now now be civil guys" isn't that what you always tell us?
 

The Immortal Watch Dog

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The implications are obvious. Namely, the prospect of a "war" which is simply massive numbers of lower-class young men who've been rendered economically redundant by automation and globalization and whom changing societal norms have denied any chance of marriage and family being drafted and sent off to get shot by massive numbers of foreign lower-class young men in the same situation, letting the rulers of multiple nations who'd agreed on everything through backchannels before the war officially started team up to remove threats to themselves.

I like Robert E Heinlein's version of how that turned out for the global elite.
 

Wargamer08

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Wait, what?
Yep, putting political dissidents in pseudo legal, quasi prisons is a time honored leftist tradition. Getting rid of mental institutions might have caused a bunch of issues, but it was worth it to get rid of most of them.

They still have them in a couple states under different names, and they are still prisons for the inconvenient. California of course is the leader in mental gulags without oversight or law. Rather, the prisons directly fund the oversight groups.
 

mrttao

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Oh btw. In usa they went as close to this as they could too


They couldn't throw her in an asylum. but they could still declare her mentally ill
 

mrttao

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California Governor Gavin Newsom signed legislation on Sept. 30 that would allow the state medical board to discipline physicians and surgeons who spread coronavirus misinformation during direct patient care.

This includes the possibility of suspending or revoking their California medical license.

The bill, AB2098, states that any licensed physician or surgeon is committing "unprofessional conduct" if they disseminate "misinformation or disinformation" about the nature and risks of the virus, the prevention and treatment of COVID-19, and the development, safety and effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines.
 

Jormungandr

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Yep, putting political dissidents in pseudo legal, quasi prisons is a time honored leftist tradition. Getting rid of mental institutions might have caused a bunch of issues, but it was worth it to get rid of most of them.

They still have them in a couple states under different names, and they are still prisons for the inconvenient. California of course is the leader in mental gulags without oversight or law. Rather, the prisons directly fund the oversight groups.
Oh, I understand that's a common Left tactic: I was reacting in surprise that France did it with anti-WHO mandate medical personnel.
 
Calus is Gul Dukat all over again. Writers accidentally making a villain whom viewers agree with, then trying to 'fix' things by character assassinating them into a space!satanist. A hedonist who wanted nothing more than continued hedonism with everyone joining in, who who hated the thought of having civilization reshaped away from prioritizing the happiness of its people and was beloved by the citizenry of his empire since he gave them a better lot in life than the standard militarist leadership of the Praetorate was sympathetic.

I think I'm with the Duke ironically enough on this one. Ghaul seems to be a "Freedom fighter" in the same way the communist were "Freedom fighters" Fat cats who are merly jelous they aren't the "Fattest Cat" The Duke maybe a hedonist but he at least makes sure they have an oppurtunity to get thier fill and not just scraps.
 

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