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[Bigking321]

Well yeah.

If half the political machine and 95 percent of the media is TRYING to jack up racial tension plus all the other tensions in a effort to demonize half the country and a entire skin color then reaching MLK Jr's dream of content of character becomes really really hard.

 

[Chaos Marine]

 

[PsihoKekec]

As a wise man once said:

There’s no escaping the retard singularity. Once an organization passes the point of retard horizon, it’s only going to double down until collapse, shutting down, death of the organization.

 

[DarthOne]

As a wise man once said:

On a related note....

 

[Rocinante]

As a wise man once said:

"Steamers" would have been a better name

 

[Captain X]

On a related note....

Doesn't really apply to the Cleveland Indians, does it?

Incidentally, I'm happy for these changes, because I never felt there was any more respect there than there was for teams using animals as their mascots toward those animals. In some cases I'd say there was even less.

 

[Zachowon]

Doesn't really apply to the Cleveland Indians, does it?

Incidentally, I'm happy for these changes, because I never felt there was any more respect there than there was for teams using animals as their mascots toward those animals. In some cases I'd say there was even less.

So...when given permission to use a mascot by the tribe, made by a tribesmen of a tribe chief...still not allowed?

 

[Captain X]

If they actually asked for the permission by the tribe. Though, this wasn't really an issue of one tribe, is it? They weren't the Washington Blackfeet or Cleveland Blackfeet, were they?

Hell, even locally, there was a university that acted entitled to the name Sioux, yet they never bothered to ask any of the tribes until a court order made them, and even then, the court only required them to ask the tribes within the state's borders, and they only ever stuck to what the court order made them. They never really had any respect for the Sioux, though, and things that that showed. Well, that and all the cute signs depicting the mascot sodomizing the mascot of rival teams and vice versa. And the general attitude on campus that led random students to harass other random students if they thought they were Native. Their mascot was drawn by a Sioux artist as well, incidentally.

 

[Zachowon]

If they actually asked for the permission by the tribe. Though, this wasn't really an issue of one tribe, is it? They weren't the Washington Blackfeet or Cleveland Blackfeet, were they?

Hell, even locally, there was a university that acted entitled to the name Sioux, yet they never bothered to ask any of the tribes until a court order made them, and even then, the court only required them to ask the tribes within the state's borders, and they only ever stuck to what the court order made them. They never really had any respect for the Sioux, though, and things that that showed. Well, that and all the cute signs depicting the mascot sodomizing the mascot of rival teams and vice versa. And the general attitude on campus that led random students to harass other random students if they thought they were Native. Their mascot was drawn by a Sioux artist as well, incidentally.

The blackfeet tribe let then use something they also created. If they had an issue, they would have said something. Most things I find has the Blackfeet not minding since a realistic look of one of thker chiefs was seen. And it was created by one of thier tribes

 

[Captain X]

Was the team named for the Blackfeet?

 

[Terthna]

If they actually asked for the permission by the tribe. Though, this wasn't really an issue of one tribe, is it? They weren't the Washington Blackfeet or Cleveland Blackfeet, were they?

Hell, even locally, there was a university that acted entitled to the name Sioux, yet they never bothered to ask any of the tribes until a court order made them, and even then, the court only required them to ask the tribes within the state's borders, and they only ever stuck to what the court order made them. They never really had any respect for the Sioux, though, and things that that showed. Well, that and all the cute signs depicting the mascot sodomizing the mascot of rival teams and vice versa. And the general attitude on campus that led random students to harass other random students if they thought they were Native. Their mascot was drawn by a Sioux artist as well, incidentally.

They're businesses; expecting them to have any respect for anything was your first mistake.

 

[Zachowon]

Was the team named for the Blackfeet?

No.
But you get what you can get.
Notre dam is named the fighting Irish even though the name is French. Do you think the Irish care?
How many things that can be considered offensive are not cared about at all generally.

 

[Captain X]

They're businesses; expecting them to have any respect for anything was your first mistake.

Which is also part of the reason I am against these sports mascots.

 

[Captain X]

No.

Then this is all that matters. I do not subscribe to the leftist idea that any given person can represent the whole of their race. Natives are people, and like everyone else, their opinions are going to vary person to person. My great uncle was a fan of this kind of stuff, seemingly ironically, because he derived entertainment from things like the idea of the Redskins playing against and beating the Cowboys. He also didn't mind the name Sioux. Oh, by the way, a lot of the people collectively known as the Sioux don't actually like being called Sioux, because it's derived from a slur basically. But again, it depends on who you ask. That's why it's ridiculous that university only asked like two tribes, and even then only because the court made them. Spirit Lake said yes, Standing Rock refused to even participate. My tribe, not even being in the state, was never even asked. Nor were any of the others in my state or in any of the neighboring states.

Notre dam is named the fighting Irish even though the name is French. Do you think the Irish care?

I happen to know some who are because they don't like the stereotype. But to be frank, it doesn't matter what the Irish think when it comes to teams using Natives as their mascots. Why would it? Their opinion would only matter for mascots involving them, and if they're cool with it, then that's just fine - that's up to them.

 

[Zachowon]

Then this is all that matters. I do not subscribe to the leftist idea that any given person can represent the whole of their race. Natives are people, and like everyone else, their opinions are going to vary person to person. My great uncle was a fan of this kind of stuff, seemingly ironically, because he derived entertainment from things like the idea of the Redskins playing against and beating the Cowboys. He also didn't mind the name Sioux. Oh, by the way, a lot of the people collectively known as the Sioux don't actually like being called Sioux, because it's derived from a slur basically. But again, it depends on who you ask. That's why it's ridiculous that university only asked like two tribes, and even then only because the court made them. Spirit Lake said yes, Standing Rock refused to even participate. My tribe, not even being in the state, was never even asked. Nor were any of the others in my state or in any of the neighboring states.


I happen to know some who are because they don't like the stereotype. But to be frank, it doesn't matter what the Irish think when it comes to teams using Natives as their mascots. Why would it? Their opinion would only matter for mascots involving them, and if they're cool with it, then that's just fine - that's up to them.

I am using them as an example.

You can't please everyone and you never should.
Do you think the vikings or thier decendents care about the team using them?

 

[Terthna]

Then this is all that matters. I do not subscribe to the leftist idea that any given person can represent the whole of their race. Natives are people, and like everyone else, their opinions are going to vary person to person. My great uncle was a fan of this kind of stuff, seemingly ironically, because he derived entertainment from things like the idea of the Redskins playing against and beating the Cowboys. He also didn't mind the name Sioux. Oh, by the way, a lot of the people collectively known as the Sioux don't actually like being called Sioux, because it's derived from a slur basically. But again, it depends on who you ask. That's why it's ridiculous that university only asked like two tribes, and even then only because the court made them. Spirit Lake said yes, Standing Rock refused to even participate. My tribe, not even being in the state, was never even asked. Nor were any of the others in my state or in any of the neighboring states.


I happen to know some who are because they don't like the stereotype. But to be frank, it doesn't matter what the Irish think when it comes to teams using Natives as their mascots. Why would it? Their opinion would only matter for mascots involving them, and if they're cool with it, then that's just fine - that's up to them.

I'm coming at this from the perspective of a freedom of speech absolutist; so in my opinion, I don't think it should matter whether or not what they're doing is offensive to somebody. If it makes you feel any better, I'd feel the same way even if their mascot was me getting fucked in the ass with a cactus.

 

[Captain X]

I am using them as an example.

And I'm pointing out that just because one tribe might be cool with it, that doesn't mean all of them are going to be cool with a team calling themselves Redskins, and providing an example near and dear to me when it comes to just the name "Sioux" itself, let alone a sports team calling themselves that and going absolutely crazy with merchandising.

You can't please everyone and you never should.

And my point is that it is very rare that anyone even bothers to ask. They want to use our name and image to make themselves feel strong, yet they think so little of us.

Do you think the vikings or thier decendents care about the team using them?

Again, this does not matter to the topic of teams using Native names and imagery. That is something to ask Scandinavians (since Vikings no longer exist as a people and cannot be asked themselves). Also worth considering is that this team exists within a state made up mostly of Scandinavians, so this is not analogous to other people using the name and imagery.

I'm coming at this from the perspective of a freedom of speech absolutist; so in my opinion, I don't think it should matter whether or not what they're doing is offensive to somebody. If it makes you feel any better, I'd feel the same way even if their mascot was me getting fucked in the ass with a cactus.

When it comes to a team using a name, it is no longer a matter of speech or expression since they are using the name to make themselves money. You cannot, for example, use the image of a celebrity to make yourself money in this way, which is why Leonard Nimoy sued a number of companies for using Spock to sell shit.

 

[Zachowon]

And I'm pointing out that just because one tribe might be cool with it, that doesn't mean all of them are going to be cool with a team calling themselves Redskins, and providing an example near and dear to me when it comes to just the name "Sioux" itself, let alone a sports team calling themselves that and going absolutely crazy with merchandising.


And my point is that it is very rare that anyone even bothers to ask. They want to use our name and image to make themselves feel strong, yet they think so little of us.


Again, this does not matter to the topic of teams using Native names and imagery. That is something to ask Scandinavians (since Vikings no longer exist as a people and cannot be asked themselves). Also worth considering is that this team exists within a state made up mostly of Scandinavians, so this is not analogous to other people using the name and imagery.


When it comes to a team using a name, it is no longer a matter of speech or expression since they are using the name to make themselves money. You cannot, for example, use the image of a celebrity to make yourself money in this way, which is why Leonard Nimoy sued a number of companies for using Spock to sell shit.

You do know there are people who still celebrate thier viking heritage and consider themselves descendents of vikings right? They shouldn't matter?

My point is, which you seem to keep going "This doesn't pertain..." when jt does. If someone let's then use something they made, and is doing so wkth open arms. Why should it be a bad thing? So what if your tribe doesn't like it. Tough shit when it isn't your tribe.

 

[Captain X]

You do know there are people who still celebrate thier viking heritage and consider themselves descendents of vikings right? They shouldn't matter?

Did I say that? Go back and actually read what I said.

My point is, which you seem to keep going "This doesn't pertain..." when jt does.

No, it doesn't. What Scandinavians think of the Vikings name and imagery is up to them. What the Irish think of the "Fighting Irish" is up to them. It is not up to them what any of these tribes think of these teams using their name and imagery - that is up to those tribes. I don't understand why this is such a difficult concept to understand.

If someone let's then use something they made, and is doing so wkth open arms. Why should it be a bad thing? So what if your tribe doesn't like it. Tough shit when it isn't your tribe.

And that's the attitude that's at the heart of the matter. That's the sense of entitlement and lack of respect I'm talking about.

 

[Zachowon]

Did I say that? Go back and actually read what I said.


No, it doesn't. What Scandinavians think of the Vikings name and imagery is up to them. What the Irish think of the "Fighting Irish" is up to them. It is not up to them what any of these tribes think of these teams using their name and imagery - that is up to those tribes. I don't understand why this is such a difficult concept to understand.


And that's the attitude that's at the heart of the matter. That's the sense of entitlement and lack of respect I'm talking about.

Why does your tribe have to have a say on another tribes thing?